Why is this a true statement, though not literally found in the Bible?

God wants a vast family of Son's who will be just like Him but of flesh and bone and the program of producing them can only be by pro-creation.

God wants a vast family of Son's who will be just like Him but of flesh and bone and the program of producing them can only be by pro-creation.

We do not become Son's of God by procreation. To suggest such a thing would be to suggest those Born Again are already procreating through our offspring, baby gods or baby son's of god but with flesh and bone.

The scriptures say

WE don know yet what we will be, but we know we will be like Him, for we will see him as He is.

With that, we will not be Just like Him...BUT.
There are no BUTS.

We are being changes NOW from Glory to Glory, even by the Spirit of the Lord.

WE are going to be GLORIFIED together with Christ.

The BUT you re suggesting would be something altogether different.

So your statement *Why is this a true statement, though not literally found in scripture* suggests you have imagined something not literally in scripture, and the presupposition that it is true.

Ormly. It's NOT TRUE! Never was, and Never will be according to the Holy Scriptures..no suppliments added or other bibles not being the Inspired Word of God.

Love in Christ
Katy-did

This statement isn't for you Katy because you said you posted your last comment a long while back. Please don't reply anymore.

This is a true statement:
[b]Jesus came by the act of pro-creation[/b]. That is what "begotten" means. It was the only way He could come on the scene for redeeming mankind.

MSeaman wrote:
what do you mean by pro-creation? Thanks.

[b]John 1:12[/b] [i]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.[/i]

I think it needs to be said we are not the sons of God until we are born again. Is there any place in the Bible that refers to anyone as being a child of God, or son of God, without them first walking in a relationship with God?

Krispy

MSeaman wrote:
well I know what procreation is, I just didn't know what pro-creation was...Thanks for the clarification. it seems to me that Catholics and Muslims are made by procreation, but sons of God have to make an individual decision to follow Christ.

But they can't make that decision before being born ... at least once, can they?

think it needs to be said we are not the sons of God until we are born again. Is there any place in the Bible that refers to anyone as being a child of God, or son of God, without them first walking in a relationship with God

Krispy, absolutely true.

Here are more scripture to prove it is not by procreating, but receiving the Gift of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, buried with Him in Baptism unto death and raised up a New Creation.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

We can ONLY become the sons of God, by receiving Jesus Christ, through repentance and receive the Holy Spirit that will quicken you together with Christ.

There are no other Sons of God.

Love in Christ
Katy-Did

Hi Krispy!

KrispyKrittr wrote:
[b]John 1:12[/b] [i]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.[/i]

I think it needs to be said we are not the sons of God until we are born again.

But even then it would be by His Nature only, certainly not His Character that must be taught and learned which makes the son [child of God], a son.

Is there any place in the Bible that refers to anyone as being a child of God, or son of God, without them first walking in a relationship with God?

Krispy

[i]"But as many as received him, *instantly became His children and to them, He gave power [b]to become sons[/b] of God, even to them that believe on his name"[/i] John 1:12 (KJV) And this by "self-renounciating", the "way of the cross", which is the Character builder. Certainly, this is a process, a painful one for most, eh?

*Orm's translation.

MSeaman wrote:

But they make that decision before being born ... at least once, can they?

can you put that in "for dummies" terms?

I am sorry. It should have read: But they CAN"T make that decision before being born ... at least once, can they? [I do that alot so becareful] :-(

MSeaman wrote:
ah, yes that makes sense. perhaps it's a matter of training? if a child is trained correctly in the Lord, he or she will choose to follow? of course every person enters this world as a matter of procreation too, so at least in the physical sense, I would say your statement is true.

A couple of things for undertsanding: The child is son, His nature is of you. That doesn't change.

This is the natural I speak of yet it can apply to the spiritual, ok? ....moving on:

I am sure that you want your son to be just like you, in goodness/righteousness. It is therefore in that you train him to be. This is called character building. Character predicated upon the strength of your own character that a child be raised up to be a son trained in your character to become a respentative of your likeness..... No! More than that! He is you! Because he was obedient to your tutor-ship. "He learned obedience by the things he suffered."

And all this from the natural that we can readily apply it to the Spiritual when we are "born again". Now it is you and me who become the children of God, with His Nature to be tutored by the Holy Ghost in the ways of the Father; Character building in us as children who, in the end, become the son's who will be just like our Heavenly Father.

I hope that is a help :-)

After endless searching I have found where Ormly is coming up with this doctrine called Armstrongism.

Robert Schmid teaches this who teaches Herbert W Armstrong, or Armstrongism.

That Jesus was a created being as was Adam I,
and rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, and so much more.

Well, before getting carried away into what you don't know you are getting carried away into, please look up on line Robert Schmid and Herbert W. Armstrong.

Then with your Eyes completely opened, you can continue to agree or disagree with Ormly's version of Salvation by ?????.

Love in Christ
Katy-Did

You know, Katy, if you weren't so laughable I could be offended. However, I refuse to let myself be so offended. I will do my utmost to view your incredulity and unlearned remarks as an instrument of righteousness whereby I renounce my "self" and all that it solicits me to say to you. Thank you

MSeaman wrote:

Katy-did wrote:
After endless searching I have found where Ormly is coming up with this doctrine called Armstrongism.

Robert Schmid teaches this who teaches Herbert W Armstrong, or Armstrongism.

That Jesus was a created being as was Adam I,
and rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, and so much more.

Well, before getting carried away into what you don't know you are getting carried away into, please look up on line Robert Schmid and Herbert W. Armstrong.

Then with your Eyes completely opened, you can continue to agree or disagree with Ormly's version of Salvation by ?????.

Love in Christ
Katy-Did

Ormly, is this what you are talking about or something else?

Indeed, no!

She doesn't know what she is talking about. She has no clue concerning the scriptures. Her "endless searching" means she reviewed a few her comic books and stumbled on something the which was on her level of comprehension. There is no discernment in her for understanding even the most elementary teachings of Jesus Christ and the Father.

Armstrongism is a offshoot cult of "British Israelism". I have been given to believe that they have repented back at the home office in California; have forsaken Herbert W's doctrine for the simple gospel of Grace..

Ormly it's Robert Schmid who teaches much of what you are saying, becoming sons of God through pro-creation. I put it in my search engine and walla, Robert Schmid and Herbert Armstrong came to the rescue. Armstrongism is more than thinking Britan is one of the tribes of Israel.

Anyway, You think god wants another family of sons of God unlike what we are, but of flesh and bone.

You posted in another Firstfruits, that the first Adam 1 was to be obedient thus securing his transfiguration, and in doing so there would be no need for the second adam..who is Christ. That at Adam 1's transfiguration he would be infact Christ, the son of God,(the one who was originally to be the Son of God, but messed up, God having to start over again creating another adam (Armstrongism) Jesus, who doesn't need to pro-create with anyone to bring in sons of Glory. But the Original Adam would have procreating with Eve, who I'm assuming her obedience too would have to take place and therefore after they were both transfigured, they would then pro-create and produce little baby sons of God for God....these children of flesh and bone god beings.

And you believe God is still looking for a way to bring these flesh and bone sons of god into existance? So, is this what YOU want to be? One of those OTHER sons of god?

Katy-Did

THis conversation began with Jesus - Firstfruits, and one myst go back and read ALL there is there in understand what Ormly is asking.

One must also understand ALL of what Robert Schmid and Herbert Armstrong taught rejecting the Trinity, and that Jesus was a created being as was Adam 1. The doctrine is more than them thinking Britian was a lost tribe, but infact a mixture of Mormon, JW and a hodge - podge of several many concepts.