richardf wrote:
Paul tells us that '...as in Adam all die...' Any man born of Adam (meaning everyone) dies. Why do we die? Because of sin; '...the wages of sin is death
People do not die physicaly because of sin, the evidence for this claim is that plants and animals die but they never sin.
Therefore sin is not the reason for physical death.
Sin is the reason for spiritual death.
richardf wrote:
I believe we have all inherited a sin nature from Adam, because of Adam's original sin.
the true fact is that we inherited a human nature from Adam.
Physical death is the outcome of "Adam's original sin".
richardf wrote:
Although just babies, they still have a sin nature, as inherited from Adam. A sin nature which must be paid for.
Sin Nature is a mith!!!
Why would God, with such a great love for His creation, condemn it with Adam's sin when it has not yet sinned as a new born infant?
Furthermore, put a nature on creation for it to do naturaly what HE hates?
To put the indictment or a responsibility of "sin nature" that has not yet been committed and put a penalty or a price on the inocent is unjust.
If "Sin Nature" is true, it would pervert the justice of God and distort the love of God.
Since God loves His creation so much, why would He impose a nature on it againt it's will and/or charge it with an indictment or a responsibility which they don't deserve, because Adam did the crime and not his offspring, Furthermore, a nature of which HE hates?
Our natuer comes from what we are, which is human.
People do not have a "sin nature" just as an apple tree does not have an apple nature.
Just as an apple tree is created to bear fruit, so is man.
Sin is fruit, the fruit of unrightousness.
Good works from faith is fruit of rightousness.
All sin is fruit from what man is rooted in, which is of eather three things. Rooted in Christ, the world or self.
John 15:4b ...As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
Romans 11:16b ...and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Romans 11:24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree...
Since Christ is the Root/Vine & man a tree/vinebranch.
If man is not grafted into Christ, he is selfish &/or wotldly, because he has his own self as his root. Or he may also be worldly, for that is all he has(John 15:9, 1John 2:15)
This is the cause of all mans wickedness, that man is of the world and selfish and not of Christ and loving.
Therefore, the fruit does not make its nature, nor does the nature deside what its fruit is.
What ever fruit it bears, the tree still has a plant nature. not an apple nature, oriange nature, banana nature.
The kind of fruit obviously does not change what it is or what nature it has.
However, what ever it is grafted into does change it's fruit, just as my analogy shows, which is of Scripture as I have shown.
What ever fruit man bears, sin or righteousness, it is still human nature.