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Rahman Sep 4, 2007

This is a short (objective in my opinion) and informative interview ...

[b]Washington Journal Audio Interview (27 min):[/b]
rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/wj090207_weisbrot.rm

Mark Weisbrot, Center for Economic & Policy Research, Co-Director, talks about an emergent economically independent South America, and Pres. Chavez's influence in the recent release of Colombian hostages, and his current trip to Colombia.

Be informed! ...

Blessings in Christ Jesus! ...


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rookie Sep 5, 2007

I couldn't see the video because my Mac is over 5 years old and in need of an update in software, but I read the 22 page article concerning what is really happening in Venezuela...

This article describes something you never hear from the U.S. media...Venezuela seems to be propering under Chavez...

It seems that the U.S. policy it geared towards villifying Chavez because he wants to remain in power. Yet we are best friends with Omar Quadafi and Musharaf of Pakistan...

At least Chavez has a heart for the poor and oppressed, not only in his country but also the slums of the industrialized countries.


Just a thought

In Christ
Jeff

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Rahman Sep 5, 2007

Amen bro Jeff ...

As the interview, and what you read conveys, it's just further proof of the crumbling of American hegemony ... Did you notice how it said that at one time the U.S. controlled Venezuela and South America via controlling their ability to get credit, now we're a nation dependant on the credit of others to continue to run ... The once great USA used to dole out $$$ like there was no tomorrow to these percieved lesser nations, and peoples, and now the tides seems to have turned, and oil (especially here regarding Chavez and Venezuela) with China's back door agreements on oil futures with all of America's oil producing enemies is allowing these former little guys to work some deals freeing them from Western influence ... The sad thing is these little guys see China as one of the fellow down-trodden by Western Europe and the USA, and are further blinded still by the money that China is dispersing while not taking under account that China is doing the same pillaging of them as did the West ... The bottom line is these little guys are still getting screwed, but the $$$ is enabling them to thumb their noses at the U.S. and it's percieved injustices towards them ...

i was thinking the other day that both World Wars we're direct results of clashes between so called Christian Western European Powers riding rough shod over one another and/over so called lesser (often pagan) nations, and am wondering if the kick off of the third World War will be because of the once lesser (often pagan) nations (like Iran and China in particular) now beginning to ride rough shod over the West, particularly the USA ... i also wonder if both European inspired World Wars were more a direct result of the type of apparent hypocritical Christianity practiced amongst themselves and toward percieved lesser people than themselves, a reaping of what was sown ... So called Christian Great Britain has an atrocious history of it's treatment of others, as does the USA, and i wonder if their near bombing into oblivion and subsequent fall from world powerdom was their reaping for all their national atrocities up until that point? ... i saw a thread Bro Greg posted about someone in the UK bemoaning their loss of nationality (their last empty vestige of pride) to the EU, and how the guy who wrote The Coming China Wars is bemoaning the fact that Godless China, now with the upper hand, is doing the same dastardly things to get ahead as the suppossedly Godly UK and US did previously ... Lord knows all that was once America's pride, has become our national nightmare ... Whod'a ever thunk it that so rich a nation, would now be the largest debtor nation forced to send emissaries to China in attempts of getting them to continue to buy our debt ... This all reminds me of the scripture
in the Revelation that says, "He who leadeth into captivity, shall be led into captivity" ...

You'd think so called Christian Western nations would understand that reaping what is sown, and one can't serve God and money, are sermons Jesus directly preached - but i guess it's a losing battle when
folk try to juggle the rules of Providence with the attaining of prosperity too ... Japheth's seeming blessing of enlargement and prosperity, proves also to be his biggest curse if not kept within the confines of Shem's tent (God's way) ...

i think we in the USA have suffered some of our dire reaping during the Civil War, Nam, 9/11, and wonder to what extent our future reaping, in light of all the unGodly seed we as a supposedly Christian nation have continued to sow since will affect us ... i pray it not be too much worse than the toppling of our economy - my spiritual spider-senses scream worse - only God truly knows ...

Blessings in Christ Jesus who is able to forgive us of ALL our sins, and clense us from ALL unrighteousness - if we'd only REPENT! ... :-o

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rookie Sep 6, 2007

i think we in the USA have suffered some of our dire reaping during the Civil War, Nam, 9/11, and wonder to what extent our future reaping, in light of all the unGodly seed we as a supposedly Christian nation have continued to sow since will affect us ..

Amos 4:5 \tOffer a sacrifice of thanksgiving with leaven,
\tProclaim and announce the freewill offerings;
\tFor this you love,
\tYou children of Israel!”
\tSays the Lord GOD.
6 \t“Also I gave you cleanness of teeth in all your cities.
\tAnd lack of bread in all your places;
\tYet you have not returned to Me,”
\tSays the LORD.
7 \t“I also withheld rain from you,
\tWhen there were still three months to the harvest.
\tI made it rain on one city,
\tI withheld rain from another city.
\tOne part was rained upon,
\tAnd where it did not rain the part withered.
8 \tSo two or three cities wandered to another city to drink water,
\tBut they were not satisfied;
\tYet you have not returned to Me,”
\tSays the LORD.
9 \t“I blasted you with blight and mildew.
\tWhen your gardens increased,
\tYour vineyards,
\tYour fig trees,
\tAnd your olive trees,
\tThe locust devoured them;
\tYet you have not returned to Me,”
\tSays the LORD.
10 \t“I sent among you a plague after the manner of Egypt;
\tYour young men I killed with a sword,
\tAlong with your captive horses;
\tI made the stench of your camps come up into your nostrils;
\tYet you have not returned to Me,”
\tSays the LORD.
11 \t“I overthrew some of you,
\tAs God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah,
\tAnd you were like a firebrand plucked from the burning;
\tYet you have not returned to Me,”
\tSays the LORD.

i also wonder if both European inspired World Wars were more a direct result of the type of apparent hypocritical Christianity practiced amongst themselves and toward percieved lesser people than themselves, a reaping of what was sown ... So called Christian Great Britain has an atrocious history of it's treatment of others, as does the USA,

Amos 4:

4 \tHear this, you who swallow up the needy,
\tAnd make the poor of the land fail,

Amos 8:5 Saying:
\t“When will the New Moon be past,
\tThat we may sell grain?
\tAnd the Sabbath,
\tThat we may trade wheat?
\tMaking the ephah small and the shekel large,
\tFalsifying the scales by deceit,
6 \tThat we may buy the poor for silver,
\tAnd the needy for a pair of sandals—
\tEven sell the bad wheat?”
7 \tThe LORD has sworn by the pride of Jacob:
\t“Surely I will never forget any of their works.

Whod'a ever thunk it that so rich a nation, would now be the largest debtor nation forced to send emissaries to China in attempts of getting them to continue to buy our debt ... This all reminds me of the scripture
in the Revelation that says, "He who leadeth into captivity, shall be led into captivity" ...

Amos 3:11 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD:
\t“An adversary shall be all around the land;
\tHe shall sap your strength from you,
\tAnd your palaces shall be plundered.”


You'd think so called Christian Western nations would understand that reaping what is sown, and one can't serve God and money, are sermons Jesus directly preached - but i guess it's a losing battle when
folk try to juggle the rules of Providence with the attaining of prosperity too .

Amos 2:6 Thus says the LORD:
\t“For three transgressions of Israel, and for four,
\tI will not turn away its punishment,
\tBecause they sell the righteous for silver,
\tAnd the poor for a pair of sandals.
7 \tThey pant after the dust of the earth which is on the head of the poor,
\tAnd pervert the way of the humble.
\tA man and his father go in to the same girl,
\tTo defile My holy name.
8 \tThey lie down by every altar on clothes taken in pledge,
\tAnd drink the wine of the condemned in the house of their god.


Amos 5:20 \tIs not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light?
\tIs it not very dark, with no brightness in it?
21 \t“I hate, I despise your feast days,
\tAnd I do not savor your sacred assemblies.
22 \tThough you offer Me burnt offerings and your grain offerings,
\tI will not accept them,
\tNor will I regard your fattened peace offerings.
23 \tTake away from Me the noise of your songs,
\tFor I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments.
24 \tBut let justice run down like water,
\tAnd righteousness like a mighty stream.



Blessings in Christ Jesus who is able to forgive us of ALL our sins, and clense us from ALL unrighteousness - if we'd only REPENT! ...


Amos 9:

8 \t“Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are on the sinful kingdom,
\tAnd I will destroy it from the face of the earth;
\tYet I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob,”
\tSays the LORD.

God Bless
In Christ
Jeff

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Rahman Sep 6, 2007

Wowwwwwwwwwww-we! ... bro Jeff ...

i've read/quoted Amos a hundred times, but never has it struck me as it has today! ... :knockedout:

God knows the pain, turmoil, and burden i carry regarding the Church, and the nation, because He put it here, but often the answers to my prayers and wonderings elude me ... :-o

Not so this morning! ...

i praise Him for speaking back to me (thru you) ...

i know what's coming has to come because we are a stiff-necked people, and there was a time when i thought i could be callous, if not "i told you so", about the suffering because it is deserved ... But the closer and closer i sense the dropping of God's hammer of correction upon us, suprise to me the more compassionate and prayerful of (un-deserved) mercy i'm becoming for others, my family, my grand-children especially, for i have no fear at all for myself ... None ... It's a most amazing thing for someone as chronically self-centered as myself ... He is truly a miracle worker of souls ...

This one i'm pdf'ing for my records, and printing out to meditate over ... But i must say the clarification brings me joy ... and great sadness at the same time ... :-D/ :-o

Blessings in Jesus who has taught us it's good to be compassionate and to weep over a Church/nation/people oblivious to God's pending correction ...

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rookie Sep 7, 2007

Brother Rahman,

Do you remember about a month ago the headlines concerning Chavez's action to remove the broadcasting lisence of one of the news organizations in Venezuela?

All we heard from our press was how evil this action was. On every U.S. news station and every newspaper we were told that Chavez was acting more and more like a dictator. But I never heard once about why Chavez took action against this Venezuelan news organization. When I read your article here I also came across this article...


Eyes Wide Shut: The International Media Looks at Venezuela

By Mark Weisbrot

This article was published in the following news outlets:
International Business Times, August 13, 2007
Seminario La Voz (Argentina), August 14, 2007
Truthout, August 15, 2007

En español
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Most consumers of the international media will be surprised to find that the controversy over Venezuela's oldest TV station, RCTV, is still raging. We were repeatedly informed that President Hugo Chavez "shut down" the station on May 27th. But in fact the station was never "shut down" – since there is no censorship in Venezuela. Rather, the Venezuelan government decided not to renew the broadcast license that granted RCTV a monopoly over a section of the publicly-owned frequencies.


This is a big distinction, although the U.S. and international press blurred it considerably. Jose Miguel Insulza, the head of the Organization of American States, noted last month that the "Venezuelan government is empowered to do what it did (non-renewal of the license)" and cited Brazilian President Lula Da Silva's statement that not renewing RCTV's broadcast license was as democratic an act as granting it. Insulza added that "democracy is very much in force in Venezuela."  

These comments were not reported in the U.S. or other major media. Nor was Lula's original statement of the same argument. Nor was the statement of Lula's top foreign policy advisor, Marco Aurelio Garcia, who said "there are few countries in the world with as much freedom of the press as in Venezuela."


RCTV has not laid off any of its 3000 employees, and may reach as much as half the population through its cable and satellite operations. But the station is now battling the government again, claiming that it should not be subject to government regulation – including the law, which pre-dates Chavez, that domestic stations carry the president's speeches -- because it is an international station. The government argues that RCTV is a domestic outlet because almost all of its production and audience are in Venezuela.  

This month Venezuela's Supreme Court blocked the government from enforcing its order against RCTV on the grounds that the definition of "national audiovisual producer" was not clear enough. 

RCTV's owner, Marcel Granier, is an opposition leader who seeks to de-legitimize the Venezuelan government. He has had some success in this effort, most importantly in April 2002 when his station faked film footage to make it look like pro-Chavez gunmen were shooting down demonstrators on the streets of Caracas. This and other manipulations by the Venezuelan media helped provoke a military coup against the elected government. This is one of several reasons that the government of Venezuela declined to renew RCTV's broadcast license.  

Granier's most recent international organizing effort this year was also very successful. The international press glossed over RCTV's various attempts to help overthrow the government, reporting the dispute as an issue of "press freedom," and seemed unaware that such a TV station would not get a broadcast license in the U.S. or any other democratic country.  

Granier is betting that the international media and other U.S.-dominated institutions will also frame his current battle as a "free speech" issue, rather than a legal dispute over whether his station is a national channel and hence subject to the same regulations as other Venezuelan cable stations. This is a good bet.  

But then there is the Venezuelan reality, which is what Chavez and his government really care about. While most Americans and Europeans can be swayed by their one-sided media, Venezuelans get to hear both sides of this story. Venezuelans can turn on their TV and see extremely harsh criticism of their government every day. They can turn on their radio and find the airwaves actually dominated by anti-government "news" broadcasting. They can walk to a newsstand and find that most of the biggest newspapers are also dominated by anti-government reporting.  

So Venezuelans know that there is no "free speech" problem in their country. While there are problems with the rule of law, including street crime – as throughout most of the region – Venezuelans have not suffered a loss of civil liberties under the Chavez government, as we have for example in the United States since 2001. That is one reason why Hugo Chavez was re-elected in December by the largest margin of the 12 most recent Latin American presidential elections, despite facing an opposition-dominated media. Democracy is indeed "very much in force in Venezuela."

end of article...

Isn't Satan notorius for telling half-truths?

back at you Bro

In Christ
jeff

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Rahman Sep 9, 2007

Bro Jeff you wrote;
"Isn't Satan notorius for telling half-truths?"


--- Amen ... except now in the 21st century it's called "dis-information" ... :-o

Blessings in Him who is the Truth that sets us free! ...

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rookie Sep 10, 2007

--- Amen ... except now in the 21st century it's called "dis-information" ...

The rulers of this world learned their lessons well from the likes of Nazi Germany's Goebells who said something to the effect...

If you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth.

When we see this misinformation technique being used by many in this generation wouldn't you think that people would begin to see and then to seperate themselves from those things that testify of Satan?

In Christ
Jeff

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Rahman Sep 10, 2007

Bro Jeff you wrote;
"When we see this misinformation technique being used by many in this generation wouldn't you think that people would begin to see and then to seperate themselves from those things that testify of Satan?"


--- satan is the great programmer, with all the programs for the easily programmable ... So no i wouldn't expect "people" to see it ...

But i would, and i believe God does too, expect His people to not only see it, but see thru it ...

We don't ...

and therein lies the problem ... :-(

Blessings in He who counsel us to buy of Him gold tried in the fire, and white raiment, and His eyesalve that we may see. ---

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rookie Sep 11, 2007

Here is a current example of our media and those who decide what news to publish...

Oil prices rise on Mexico attacks


Mexican officials said a dozen or so facilities were attacked


Oil prices have surged to near record highs after a series of attacks on energy facilities in Mexico, the world's fifth largest crude exporter.

Following the Mexican attacks, which have been blamed on a left-wing rebel group, US light was up 37 cents at $77.86 a barrel in early Tuesday trade.

London's Brent crude also advanced, gaining 28 cents to $75.76 a barrel.

The rises come as oil producers' cartel Opec is meeting in Vienna. Opec is expected to keep its output on hold.

US light crude hit a record high of $78.77 a barrel on 1 August.

'Long-term problem'

Mexican officials have insisted that the dozen or so attacks will not hit the country's oil output, but have cut off a quarter of its natural gas flow.


Oil analyst Jim Ritterbusch, president of Ritterbusch & Associates, said that the situation in Mexico "could potentially pose a longer-term problem", which is why prices reacted so strongly.

The attacks were claimed by the People's Revolutionary Army, as part of what it says is a "prolonged people's war" against "the anti-people government".

Experts say it is a very secretive but also very small grouping.

Demand dispute

Opec's expected decision not to boost output comes despite calls from the International Energy Agency (IEA), which represents the world's top 26 oil consuming nations, that additional supplies will be needed to meet demand.

Economists have also suggested that an increase in Opec supplies, and the likely result that prices will fall, would help ease recent US economic and global stock market jitters.

Opec members counter that current supplies are sufficient.

Over the past year, Opec - which supplies more than a third of the world's oil - has cut deliveries by about 6%.

Its 12 member nations include Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Nigeria and Venezuela. Mexico is not a member.

end of article published by BBC.


I did not know this happened today...you would think that these terroist attacks would have or will make the front page...

I wonder why movie stars get front page notice and not the events that are important like terrorism in Mexico?

These events in Mexico are growing in scale and frequency. About 2 months ago a natural gas line was blown up and our local Hershey Companies factory in Mexico had to shut down. No one heard anything about it in Hershey...at least the working people...

In Christ
Jeff

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rookie Sep 11, 2007

Here is another article from a British newspaper...

Mexican Rebels Claim Pipeline Attacks


Monday September 10, 2007 11:31 PM


By MIGUEL HERNANDEZ

Associated Press Writer

VERACRUZ, Mexico (AP) - A shadowy leftist guerrilla group took credit for a string of explosions that ripped apart at least six Mexican oil and gas pipelines Monday, rattling financial markets and causing hundreds of millions of dollars in lost production.

The six explosions could be seen miles away, and set off fires that sent flames and black smoke shooting high above the Gulf coast state of Veracruz.

At least a dozen pipelines, most carrying natural gas, were affected, said Jesus Reyes Heroles, the head of Mexico's oil monopoly Petroleos Mexicanos, without providing specifics.

He said there would be hundreds of millions of dollars in lost production and about nine states and the capital, Mexico City, would be affected.

``It is a big blow,'' he said. ``You can't store natural gas or transport it by truck.''

The blasts caused brief jitters in international markets, with natural gas futures up as much as 20.2 cents on news of the explosions, although prices dropped in later trading. One oil pipeline was hit in Monday's attack but Pemex said the damage wouldn't affect crude exports.

Some local factories were forced to shut after natural gas supplies were cut. Residential supplies were not expected to be affected.

There were no immediate reports of injuries directly caused by the explosions and fires, although Fernando Leon Yepez, a civil defense official in Omealca, reported that two elderly women died of heart attacks shortly after the explosions.

It was the second time in three months that the so-called People's Revolutionary Army claimed responsibility for a pipeline attack as part of what it has labeled its ``prolonged people's war'' against ``the anti-people government.''

The group, known as the EPR, is a secretive, tiny rebel group that staged several armed attacks on government and police installations in southern Mexico in the 1990s. It was later weakened by internal divisions, leaving it unclear which splinter group may have carried out Monday's attacks.

The EPR claimed responsibility for a July attack on a major gas pipeline from Mexico City to Guadalajara in western Mexico that forced at least a dozen major companies, including Honda Motor Co., Kellogg Co. and The Hershey Co., to suspend or scale back operations.

That attack sent the Mexican government scrambling to increase security at ``strategic installations'' across Mexico. It was not clear what security measures were in place at the pipelines that exploded Monday.

The government did not immediately confirm the EPR's claim of responsibility. Interior Secretary Francisco Ramirez said the federal Attorney General's Office was trying to determine who was responsible.

``Pemex's fundamental installations are adequately protected by our armed forces, and we will do our utmost to find those responsible,'' Ramirez said.

At least 21,000 people were evacuated as a precaution. Some of them were later allowed to return home.

Flames could be seen up to six miles away, said Pedro Jimenez, a resident who was packing his family into a truck to leave. ``You could see the fields of crops lit up.''

At least one undetonated explosive device was later found in a swampy area about 500 yards away from a highway toll booth just north of the port of Veracruz, said a Veracruz state police official who was not authorized to be quoted by name.

The official said the device was accompanied by a note signed by the EPR, but it was impossible to independently confirm.

President Felipe Calderon condemned the attacks in a statement from India, where he was on a state visit.

``I want to say that my government severely condemns this and all other acts of violence and those who promote it in our country and anywhere in the world,'' he said. ``There is no room for such criminal acts in a democratic Mexico.''

Mexico is a major oil producer and exporter, with oil and related taxes accounting for over a third of the federal government's revenue. The U.S. imported 12.7 million cubic feet of natural gas from Mexico in 2006, only about 0.3 percent of total imports that year.


In Christ
Jeff

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rookie Sep 11, 2007

Here is another article found in the Taipei Times 2 days earlier about another set of bombings...

Leftists claim bombings in Mexico

AP, MEXICO CITY
Wednesday, Nov 08, 2006, Page 7

A coalition of five leftist guerrilla groups that support protesters in the southern state of Oaxaca claimed responsibility for homemade bombs that exploded at Mexico's top electoral court, a bank and the headquarters of the political party that governs Oaxaca.

The bombings across Mexico City early on Monday caused no injuries but rattled nerves in a country wracked by protests since the polarizing July 2 presidential elections.

President Vicente Fox called the attacks "criminal acts aimed at frightening the population."

Leftist protesters have battled federal police for control of Oaxaca City since last week, and the guerrilla groups pledged to continue "military" actions until Oaxaca state Governor Ulises Ruiz steps down.

Protesters accuse Ruiz, of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) of rigging the elections that brought him to power in 2004 and oppressing dissent, but have so far failed in their attempts to oust him.

"We take full responsibility for these actions," the groups said in a statement e-mailed to the news media. "Our political-military action is a response to our determination to reply with revolutionary violence to the violence unleashed by the lords of power and money."

The five groups are known to Mexican authorities and have claimed responsibility for bombings in the past, said Jose Luis Manjarrez, spokesman for Mexico's Attorney General's Office. But he said there is "nothing at this point to be able to confirm the veracity of the statement."

The groups identified themselves as the Lucio Cabanas Barrientos Revolutionary Movement, the Democratic Revolutionary Tendency-People's Army, the Insurgent Organization-May 1, the Dec. 2 Execution Brigade and the Popular Liberation Brigades.

The rebels said they would continue such actions as long as "repressive federal and local forces continue to repress the people," an apparent reference to the federal police raid of Oaxaca a week ago that pushed the protesters out of the city's main central plaza, which they had occupied since May.

About a dozen rebels claiming to represent the five groups appeared in a rural area of Oaxaca state in late August wearing masks, military-style uniforms and carrying assault rifles. At the time, they distributed leaflets supporting the cause of the Oaxaca protesters.


end of article...

If these bombings were going on in the U.S. people would be pretty upset. Do you think the U.S. papers would be covering these bombing events if they were happening in Canada?

In Christ
Jeff

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