Is Calvinism for reaching the Lost or Reaching the Saved?

I am not calvinist or Armenian but I love Calvinists.I believe they are a part of the body of Christ,.I know alot of Godly 5 pointers ,7 pointers and 12 pointers and so on...

My notice though of alot of our brothers who abide and teach Calvinism spend more time preaching to other believers then to the Lost.Maybe it is a maturity issue that these guys suffer from or who I am fellowshiping with.Anyone out there notice this also?

Remember I love my Reformed Bro's I am not bashing just throwing a question out there.

i love the calvinist also! i just dont like what they teach :-P

Blunt, I've also noticed that there seems to be a strong obligation on the part of the calvinists to endoctrinate the rest of christianity. I still haven't figured out why it is that they have such a stong agenda to propagate their theology. But it is obviously there. I don't despise my calvinist brothers either. George Whitefield is my biggest hero of the faith. Along with Edwards, Spurgeon and the reformers. But I just don't understand why they sense such a need to fix everyone else's "bad" theology. Why can't we as the body of Christ just enjoy fellowshipping with each other without hammering on each other's beliefs? To me this is a very perplexing problem. :-( :-?

Another outstanding post Jim. I don't and won't ever believe that the secret of the lives of great men of God was in their doctrine, but rather in their dedication and devotion to God and Jesus Christ.

Salvation is a person, and His name is Jesus Christ.

And I do not know any Calvinist who would disagree with you, but the problem is that if a person is an Arminian, they do not believe that Christ alone saves a man. It must be Christ plus my good works that assure me of Heaven. Because Arminian belief is that Christ only made salvation possible, or wiped the slate clean , and now man must keep it clean.

Because so few truly know what Arminianism teaches, or where it cam from they assume that it must be true because it "feels" right, and makes God a very diplomatic God in that he offers salvation to everyone, and values everyones' opinions.

At the end of the day, if one would study the similarities between Arminianism and Roman Catholicism, they would see why there are Protestants, and why men and women died for the doctrines of justification by faith alone through Christ alone by God's grace alone to the glory of God alone as seen in Scripture alone.

I dont know.....
I have met personally some solid Jesus Loving reformer's.Doug Bookman Head of theology at Master's Seminary and Friends of Isreal,the late Ken Connolly "the History of the Bible Guy". Just like how the Jews were in stewardship of the word of God before the NT to me it seems our Calvinistic brothers lean toward's Intellectualism and Scholarship.I believe we need them for sure to defend the Scriptures scholarly and make in a way protect the Word from those who seek to change it.I think they get so Excited about thier new "Nuggets of Scriptural Knowledge "they have to share it!This is for sure if they took thier Zeal for pushing Calvinism and focused that on Jesus "Watch out we could have 10,000 spurgeons going to all the nations! Make that a million!

I hold to the same view you also do
but totally disagree
They ARE Saved !

Come on ......lets leave the saving power up to Jesus and not a sect. of christianity.Each one must come to terms with The Lord.
Take some time and fellowship with the guys you will spend Eternity with Bro!

Sadly though the majority of Calvinists are not saved, they know nothing more of the kingdom of God then the pharisees. (That goes for arminians and all other professing Christians too)

Care to elaborate on this. As you have now said that I am not saved, nor was Spurgeon, Luther, Tyndale, Edwards, Knox, Calvin, John Owen, Francis Schaeffer, and a vast cloud of men who did great things for God because they saw Him being the Animator and Sustainer of all things.

And may I ask, how could Romans 8:28 be true if God is not completely Sovereign over all that goes into His childrens' life?

jimdied2sin wrote:
Sadly though the majority of Calvinists are not saved, they know nothing more of the kingdom of God then the pharisees. (That goes for arminians and all other professing Christians too)

roaringlamb answered:
Care to elaborate on this. As you have now said that I am not saved, nor was Spurgeon, Luther, Tyndale, Edwards, Knox, Calvin, John Owen, Francis Schaeffer, and a vast cloud of men who did great things for God because they saw Him being the Animator and Sustainer of all things.

And may I ask, how could Romans 8:28 be true if God is not completely Sovereign over all that goes into His childrens' life?

Brother, Jim didn't say that, you read what is not written. He didn't say that someone because is Calvinist, will not be saved.

"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, [b]I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.[/b] [i]Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you?[/i] or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name" -1st Corinthians 1:10-15.

"Out of an abundance of the Heart the mouth speaks."

Check your heart if you do not want to spend Eternity with those you are supposed to love.