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Things that will keep you out of heaven.

L
LiveforGod Sep 14, 2007

“Now the works of the flesh are
manifest, which are these; Adultery,
fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance,
emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,
heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness,
revellings, and such like: of the which I
tell you before, as I have also told you in
time past, that THEY WHICH DO SUCH
THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.”
Gal. 5:19-21.

“And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth,
neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but
they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” Rev. 21:27.

False prophets today declare that one can still do these things
and go to heaven. The fact is, they are going to die lost if they do
such things. Neither are they in the Lamb’s book of life now, nor
in God’s holy church, even though they may “go to church.”
The prevailing thought is that only “very bad sinners,” such
as murderers, will go to hell. Adultery and fornication (to name
but a few works of the flesh), are in the professed religious world.
The apostle Paul places those who do such under the same
judgment as the murderers. It is not just a matter of getting a
lesser reward in heaven. IT IS A MATTER OF GOING TO HELL FOR ETERNITY.

A “little” lie is a big enough sin to sink a soul in hell, for “ALL
liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone.”
The blood of Christ does NOT cover these things when they
are unrepented of and not FORSAKEN. “Repent, and turn
yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be
your ruin . . . for why will ye die . . .?” Ezk. 18:30 and 31. “The
wages of SIN is death.” Rom. 6:23a. “The wicked shall be turned
into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” Psa. 9:17.
Contrary to popular opinion, sinners do not go to heaven.
Sinners go to hell–even if they are religious sinners.
Heaven is for those who have been made holy through faith
in the blood of Jesus Christ.
YOUR SOUL IS PRECIOUS AND IT IS ETERNAL. It will
always have a conscience existence, either in heaven or in hell.
Dear ones, be warned. Do not die in your sin, but “flee from the
wrath to come.” “. . . Serve God acceptably with reverence and
godly fear, for our God is a consuming fire.” Heb. 12:28-29.
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was
cast into the lake of fire.” Rev. 20:15.


J.C. Ryle wrote, “...Others hold their peace about hell . . . I
dare not do so. I see it plainly in scripture and I must speak of it.
I fear that thousands are on the road that leads to it and I would
fain arouse them to a sense of the peril before them. Call it bad
taste if you like, to speak of hell. Call it charity to make things
pleasant and to speak smoothly and to smooth men with a
constant lullaby of peace. From such notions of taste and charity
may I ever be delivered. My notion of charity is to warn men
plainly of their danger. My notion of taste is to declare all the
counsel of God. If I never spoke of hell, I should think that I had
kept back something that was profitable, and should look on
myself as an accomplice of the devil.
Beware of new and strange doctrines about hell and eternal
punishment. Beware of manufacturing a God of your own, all
love, but not holy–a God who has a heaven for everybody but a
hell for none–a God who can allow good and bad to be side by side
in time, but will make no distinction between good and bad in
eternity. Such a god is an idol of your own . . . as true as an idol
was ever moulded out of brass or clay. The hands of your own
sentimentality have made him. He is not the God of the Bible.
Take heed lest you find it out too late!” & —S. Mutch

R
roaringlamb Sep 14, 2007

Interesting that the author of that article didn't include this verse-
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

But one must also look at what Paul is addressing, there were Jews who were saying that circumcision in keeping with the Law was a must for a person to be a Christian. Paul then tells them that if they seek to be justified by the Law, then Christ is of no use to them, and they are fallen from grace.

When he begins to speak of the works of the flesh, no doubt he had these Jews in mind who boasted of their spirituality while indulging in the very sins he names. He has already told the Christians that there would be a war of dueling natures within.

So yes, those who practice those sins and are not convicted by then, no matter how outwardly spiritual they seem will not enter Heaven.

But those who struggle and war against sin show marks of the new life within. Prior to conversion there was no struggle with sin, only indulgence and enjoyment of it. But because there is a new nature, there is now a war.

I find it hilarious that men use one of the most vehement defenders of justification by faith alone to beat upon the brethren.

Tell me where there is hope in your message? and tell me also if you're are correct, why did Christ have to die? What did He have to accomplish if we are left to perform that which we could not?

L
LiveforGod Sep 14, 2007

Hello roaringlamb.

Tell me where there is hope in your message?

Brother I will, and by the way it is not my messege but God's.

This answers it.
"That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,....Ephesians 1:17-19

why did Christ have to die?

Brother, I know you know that answer to that. But since you asked me I will aswer with a very well Known verse.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhon 3:16.

Brother if he had't died I would still be dead in my sins and transpases , but since he payed the price I can live thogards God and Dead to sin.

6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him...Romans 6:6-8

11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Romans 6:11-12

Brother, you said somthing abuot why did God have to accomlish somthing we could not.

How true, He did accompish somthing we could not.

Brother can I tell you that it is not I who can get rid of sin, but Christ.

Brother, You see the I could not live a sin-free life, but The I has died and Know Christ liveth in me. So yes, You are right, nobody that is not born of God can live a sinless life.

Praise God that he came to allow us to be born again. To have a differet nature. A new person he makes us indeed.

You tear my hear when you say you love God, yet you do not keep his comandements. :cry:

I will keeep praying to God for you to come to the Knoladge of A Savior that Frees from Sin, And can keep you, by his blood, Holy.

Don't belibe the lies of the Devil. There is Power in the Blood of the Lamb to keep you from Sining anymore.

sermonindex Sep 14, 2007

Joseph Alliene said that if you have one sin that you have not forsaken you will go to hell. And that is what the bible teaches!

God has grace and mercy for every sin that we turn from. God forgives every sin that we choose to stop! The message of true repentance is desperately needed today!

R
roaringlamb Sep 14, 2007

Why don't you guys ever address the context of passages, or at least refute what I said earlier about the context in which Paul is writing this?

You accuse me of having an agenda when I post a plethora of Scripture in their context, yet are not open to such accusations by ignoring points that do not agree with what you are pushing? :-(

L
LiveforGod Sep 14, 2007

Brother, I am sorry if it seem as if I was trying to avoid the verse of scipture you mentioned erlier.

Here it is:

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Galatians 5:17

Brother, there is no contradiction betwen this and what I have been saying.

Brother to beter explain things I would like you to know that indeed there is a constant battle or War, as you called it.

What is the Batle?

That the flesh wants to be feed and that the spirit alson wants to be feed.

The question is wich one of them do you feed?

If you feed the flesh then you will sin. I know that.

But if you feed the spirit then you will not sin.

Brother, How does a person sin. By Omision and by Commision.

When you do not do somthing you should do then you sin.
When you do somthing that you should't do then you sin as well.

Brother, As long as we are in Earth we are capable of sining.

The reason why I say that I do not sin is because every day I fight against the flesh wich wants to be resurected. That fight recures of my will.

You see God has the power to keep you from sining if you do not want to sin.

The reason why people sin is because they lose focus on God and in keeping their relationship with God.

Brother, you sin because you want to. Don't tell me otherwise because you would be lieing.

The war is allways going to be there, but thank God that there is power in the Risen, Resurected Christ.

Brother, next time you are being tempted and the flesh wants to win over the spirit pray to God.

He has the power to give you the way out of every temptation.

Love you in Christ.

sermonindex Sep 14, 2007

you sin because you want to.

The only thing that keeps a person back from repenting from all sin is an unwillingness! The only reason a person doesn't stop sinning is because they don't want to. But God offers liberty and freedom from the bondage of sin to those who want it.

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roaringlamb Sep 14, 2007

The only thing that keeps a person back from repenting from all sin is an unwillingness!

No it is not knowing. I can only confess to God the sin I am convicted of, when I am convicted of it.

The Christian life has very little to do with how much I can or cannot get away with, but rather that Christ died for my sins according to the Scripture, and rose again to justify me. The faith to believe this marvelous news has been given me from God. Christ ever lives to intercede before the Father, and will not let me perish because He has promised that those whom the Father gave would not perish.

In this earthly life, I am being sanctified day in and day out. it is like a crucible of sorts, but my eternity is fixed because I am fixed in Christ.

L
LiveforGod Sep 14, 2007

roaringlamb This is serious. I have been trying to get some sence into you, but it seems that you really want to keep on sining.

Isn't is enough that the Bible says in 1 Jhon 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You have a sirious problem. Your soul depends upon it. That will make the diference between Heaven and Hell.

Think very carefully how you answer this question.

Do you sin?

If yes, then by Gods Word you are not his child. You are the Devils child.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. 1 John 3:8.

I am praying that you would chose life rather than eternal death.
May God's spirit deal with you.

I love you , and so does God.

R
roaringlamb Sep 14, 2007

Isn't is enough that the Bible says in 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Brother have you sinned since the day you were born again? By this I do not mean renaming a sin so that it is not a sin.
Have you always loved your neighbour as yourself?

Have you always loved God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength?

Have you always in everything given thanks?

Is Christ's merit enough for your salvation or must you add to it?

I am praying that you would chose life rather than eternal death.
May God's spirit deal with you.

Yes please do pray, I could always use it, and God's Spirit has and does deal with me all the time.

As for the book of 1 John, how is it that you conveniently forgot these verses-
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 And [b]he is the propitiation for our sins:[/b] and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ is the wrath atoning sacrifice for my sins, and therefore there is no condemnation, the penalty has been dealt with and because I have been born from above, I have been made a son and am no longer a slave.

How is it that you write off the whole counsel of Scripture to defend your point while accusing me of being unsaved?

L
LiveforGod Sep 14, 2007

Brother, It was not I who acoused you of being unsaved, it was God's Word.

Brother, I just realized that we are going to keep this up until tomorow probably if we keep doing the same things we are doing.

Brother, what I am most sadened about is that some how you do not want to be responsible for the sins you commit and ommit.

I know for a fact that you know when it is that you sin.

Why can I say that, because I know what it is to be tempted. I have been there. I know what it is like to want not to read the Bible, not to pray; but I also know the joy that overcoming the temptation brings. It is a joy that makes you want to shout and praise God.

Brother just try it. You will then know why I say that a sinless life after salvation is possible.

There is allways the possibility that you might fall, but if you trust in God he is able to preserve you until the end od the World.


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Nile Sep 14, 2007

roaringlamb, LiveForGod has said nothing opposing 1 John 2:2.

Christ is the wrath atoning sacrifice for my sins, and therefore there is no condemnation

Context.

[b]"..in Christ..."[/b]

Only if you are in Christ is there no condemnation.

[b]You cannot be in Christ and sin![/b]

This is exceedingly obvious throughout all of scripture!!!

sermonindex Sep 14, 2007

Romans 8:1 says that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

Because there is condemnation for ANYONE who walks after the flesh.

R
roaringlamb Sep 15, 2007

You cannot be in Christ and sin!

Then I guess we're all in trouble!!!

You know, I have been to hell and back, done this, done that. Read the right books, said the right things, Amened when I read Brengle, and Booth. Despaired of life because of my sinfulness, and wretchedness, and then something wonderful happened.

I met Christ, and realized that the just shall live by faith, and that faith given by grace will produce such sweet fruit to God because it comes through Christ, and not from my own putrid works.

I am a great sinner, and thus I need a great Saviour.

I will let you all boast of your sinlessness, and if true, then God bless you. But the Gospel is not simply a good start that I must maintain, it is the power of God unto salvation and is revealed from faith to faith. The Gospel is that Christ has died for His peoples' sins(not the world's). I am one of His people because God has had mercy upon me and given me faith else the Gospel would be foolishness to me.

As for sin in my life, you do not even know me, nor do you know if I sin or if I do not sin, and again I ask you, why do you regurgitate a couple of verses that match your agenda, but do not look at the vast sea of verses contradictory to your point. Doctrine is not built around pet verses, but rather the whole of Scripture. So far as I know, Paul did not tell any of the Churches, "now that you know Christ, get rid of every sin, or you will not be saved!" And usually your pet verses that try to make Paul say this, are not structured that way in the Greek, as they mean more than a simple act, but rather an abiding in that sin.

Justification is a legal declaration of my righteousness based upon Christ's merit and His death in my place and His resurrection in my place. By the new birth, I have been joined to Him never to be separated.

Here's some verse to chew on-
Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

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Nile Sep 15, 2007

roaringlamb, your post saddens me...

and again I ask you, why do you regurgitate a couple of verses that match your agenda, but do not look at the vast sea of verses contradictory to your point. Doctrine is not built around pet verses, but rather the whole of Scripture.

Why do you accuse this?

How many passage would you like?
From how many different writers?
From how many different books?
Any book in particular?

A letter of Paul?
A letter of Peter?
A letter of James?
A letter of John?
A letter of Jude?
A psalm of David?
A proverb of Solomon?
A prophecy of Ezekiel?
A parable of Jesus?
A prayer of Jesus?
A promise of Jesus?

P
PaulWest Sep 15, 2007

I met Christ, and realized that the just shall live by faith, and that faith given by grace will produce such sweet fruit to God because it comes through Christ, and not from my own putrid works.


"Man is nothing: he hath a free will to go to hell, but none to go to heaven, till God worketh in him to will and to do his good pleasure"

- George Whitefield to John Wesley

Take courage, dear brother :-)


R
roaringlamb Sep 15, 2007

How many passage would you like?
From how many different writers?
From how many different books?
Any book in particular?

Any that you wish, because the whole of Scripture centers around God's plan to save His people through Christ, not because of them or anything special about them.

You can post, and we can debate.

R
roaringlamb Sep 15, 2007

Take courage, dear brother

Amidst the clash of swords comes a soothing balm.

Thank you brother Paul, and may Christ our Lord bless you and your wife.

L
LiveforGod Sep 15, 2007

Any that you wish, because the whole of Scripture centers around God's plan to save His people through Christ, not because of them or anything special about them.

Brother, It is because of us that he died, sin in us, and his Love toward us made him die for us to deliver us from the power of sin.

Brother we are not saying that we can atain salvation by our own selfs, but through Christ it is that we have life, and power to obercome all sin.

It is not by our own strenghts, but by God living in us. Our only purupose is to please God, not men. To Glorify him allways in everythinh we do, wheter we eat or drink.

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roaringlamb Sep 15, 2007

Brother, It is because of us that he died, sin in us, and his Love toward us made him die for us to deliver us from the power of sin.

Brother we are not saying that we can attain salvation by our own selfs, but through Christ it is that we have life, and power to overcome all sin.

Yes, and that death applied to person, and the faith given to receive it, assures that what God has started, He will finish.

I am sure that you too have found that things that once were acceptable have become sinful as you have matured in Christ, so if that is so, would you have perished had you died then?

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