modern day prophets?

Does any one here know of any modern day prophets that are 100% correct in there prophecies---I am speaking of accuracy such as that in the old testament???? what about healing ministries??? interpretation of tongues? words of knowledge???do we know of any??????

Every true prophet (one who speaks from God) will be accurate. And by this, I mean accurate without exception. Most true prophets, however, are hidden and not in the public eye. This was also often the case in the Old Testament -- even more so in the New Testament.The truth is that the same Spirit that inspired those prophets to speak without error is the same Spirit in more abundance today. We would do well to recall that the godly, accurate prophets of the Old Testament were rarely highly regarded and even less often actually heeded. The message of the higher-profile court prophets (i.e. the 400 prophets of Baal in Ahab's court) was much more often regarded as the true message. The poor prophets of the Lord always seemed to end up prophesying judgment in the midst of prosperity -- which resulted in them being hated and thought of as false. The same was true of Paul: 2 Corinthians 6:8 "by glory and dishonor, by evil report and good report; regarded as deceivers and yet true;"It also would be worthy of mention that the "court prophets" were more known for their "soothsaying" and "personal prophecy" than the judgmental and legalistic (Mosaic Law) prophecies of the true prophets. We are looking at the wrong thing if we are expecting prophets to be exhibited in "words of knowledge" (which in today's Church are more psychic readings than the "knowledge" the passage is speaking of) and interpretation of tongues. Notice that the prophecies of the OT prophets are much more legalistic (the more you get to know the Torah, the more you realize they prophesied straight out of it) and less person-specific as a whole. There are indeed personal prophecies, but they are presented as exceptions to the rule -- and are more often than not judgmental in nature.I wrote a short article on inspiration (biblical and otherwise) some time ago. Perhaps it would be good to post the link.http://heartsoffireproductions.com/articles/inspired.htm

I think that some of the greatest harm that has come to the church of today is through those who give a 'Thus saith the Lord' when it's really not. I believe that today's man of God must know 100 percent that what he is saying is from the Lord. No I do not know of anyone who is a 100 percent on right now but I think that we must strive to be. To many men making off the wall statements in the name of the Lord are crushing tha faith of many as well as making the modern day church a laughing stock to the world. I am not afraid to be laughed at for the Lord, but I would rather not be laughed at for the bizarre remarks made by many todays so called leading men. This is not directed at Wilkerson, but more so to the TBN type (Hinn, Crouch, ect). However, if Wilkerson has missed it, he needs to do the right thing and admit this, which I think he'd be likely to do if he knew that he missed it. To many men just utter a strong gut feeling in the name of the Lord. Some speak thinking that because they said it that it will come pass - example - John Kilpatrick predicting the down fall of CRI. He felt so strong that the Lord was on his side that he could make such a statement and it would come to pass. Today's man of God cannot afford to give them selves over to strong gut feeling or powerful emmotions. The 'Thus saith the Lord' that they give must be a 'Thus saith the Lord'.JasonNote: I believe that Kilpatrick apologized for his prediction on CRI.

Quote:"Every true prophet (one who speaks from God) will be accurate. And by this, I mean accurate without exception."So there's a variety of options here. 1. Wilkerson's is not a "true prophet" (perhaps you think "watchman" is different)2. Wilkerson is a "true prophet". This being the case, by your own admission, only if he has been accurate without exception. Some other posters from the the "Set The Trumpet..." thread mentioned his apologizing/repenting for his false prophecies if i'm not mistaken. DId this actually happen? If so, he can't be a "true prophet" in the way you describe it.3. I don't think Wilkerson ever said, "Thus saith the Lord" so perhaps some think that gets him off the hook if his prophetic predictions don't come to pass as he said they would. In that case, has he ever truly prophecied?

I have heard a number of people mention Wilkerson apologizing for a "false prophecy." To my knowledge, it is an urban legend because no one can ever remember what it was about or produce one shred of evidence that this took place.In the article I linked to below, I pointed out that even the Prophets and Apostles of the Bible erred. Peter is an example at Antioch, in which case he was corrected by Paul. The issue is that when these men spoke "as from the Lord," they spoke by the Spirit of God, who is true in all ages -- in those cases, their words were inspired and accurate. Consider also that Jonah's prophecy did not come to pass in Ninevah -- he put a 40 day window on it and it didn't happen. Ezekiel also points out that prophecy's fulfillment is dependent on the responses of the hearers.I am in agreement that most of what passes for "prophecy" today is ridiculous and a delusion. We should not be looking for a perfect prophet to follow. We already have one -- Jesus Christ! At the same time, we must understand that when the Spirit of God speaks through a man today, it is in the same power and authority as when he spoke in ancient days.One other distinction that I think must be made -- a prophet is not one who "knows or tells the future." This "foretelling" is merely one facet of prophecy and is not necessary for a prophet or prophetic message. The far more important (and indeed the thing that makes a prophet a prophet) thing is "forthtelling" -- speaking God's perspective on a situation. This is the main job of a prophet. Unfortunately, because of the foolishness of the charismatic church and the ignorance of cessationists, the common understanding of prophecy has been narrowed to "foretelling." If we look at Scripture, the "foretelling" came as a bi-product of "forthtelling" (i.e. "God is displeased right now and will bring destruction to you") if it came at all. A simple hearing of Wilkerson's message shows that the "forthtelling" is properly in place -- his message is a pure message demanding repentance before a Holy God. This must be the case in all God's prophets.

Quote: "Some other posters from the the "Set The Trumpet..." thread mentioned his apologizing/repenting for his false prophecies if i'm not mistaken. DId this actually happen? If so, he can't be a "true prophet" in the way you describe it."I should have made myself clear at what I ment when I said that David Wilkerson had "missed" God. There is no time when he has appologized for "false" prophecy. As far as I'm concerned he has had no false prophecy in his messages. (this is only my opinion, but since these threads have been based on opinions I feel totally free to throw mine in) I have read the Vision and Set The Trumpet To They Mouth. I am of the opinion that he is right on.What I was alluding to was the time between the writing of The Vision, and "Trumpet". David talked about a time of letting all the he was seeing in the scriptures get to him and bring him down. It was depressing him. During that time he said that he was difficult to be around. He later wrote many friends who he had hurt during this time to appologize.As far as the times when he has prophecied he has been correct. But that's just my opinion. Jeremy Hulsey

I too have heard him mention this period in his life when God was dealing with some things. (I actually had made the assumption that the urban legend was based on this as well.) When he has made this apology, he has also always made it clear that he still does stand by the prophecies he made and the messages that he delivered in that time. He believes God took him through that time in part for those messages to be given, but that now God has given him more -- that he has grown. This can be found in part in his book The New Covenant Unveiled, but is found mainly in his preaching or in personal conversation.

I believe so and I do think this does get him off the hook. He has felt led to say things that he thinks is going to happen which is no worse than any of us posting our opionion of the endtime in the polls section!If one does not prefix something with a "thus says the Lord," doesn't somehow make something any less a prophecy... or a false one. Nehemiah accused Shemaiah the son of Delaiah of prophesying falsley, and Shemaiah never said "thus says the Lord." (See Nehemiah 5:10-12). So, one does not get out of accountability for their words for not saying "thus says the Lord." If somebody's message is presented in such a way as to appear prophetic, then it must be judged in such a way. If something is simply our opinion, let us say so. Prophecies must happen, opinions do not have to (and one should in general stay away from being many with their words in their opinion of future things to begin with). Books such as "the vision" are without a doubt try to convey a prophetic vision, and if something in it is merely opinion, it should either have been left out, or clearly identified as opinion. If I come across a book like "THe Vision", then I will judge every last word of it as prophetic, unless it is clearly conveyed otherwise.

I wrote a short article on inspiration (biblical and otherwise) some time ago. Perhaps it would be good to post the link.http://heartsoffireproductions.com/articles/inspired.htmJust thought I'd say I thought the article was excellent. The Spirit in the early church is still the Spirit today. There is no Biblical foundation for dividing the Scriptures into a unique category of "The Apostolic Age." We live in an age the apostles and prophets testify as to being one that will continue until the second coming. There is no reason why in the Church today we cannot experience the same revelation and inspiration that they did. Does this mean we should stick on some extra books to the canon? I would not be in favor of it, however, that is not to say that there are not teachings/prophecies out there that are equal in inspiration and authority. As Deuteronomy teaches us, God would raise up individuals to speak what He would command them to speak...and their words must be heed to, and if these words were not taken heed to, then those who did not take heed to them would be held accountable to them.Now, as far as any books out there that might meet such level of inspiration and authority. I do not know of any off hand, though, there are a few that have come my way that might just be. I know I've read many books that presented themselves as such, though they were not, and were found wanting.And I'd agree with the one reviewer out there regarding the Charismatic movement. I find very little...if anything of God in the Charismatic/NeoCharismatic movement (though my experience is limited). Though surely there are individuals out there who have gone into it in order to witness true words of God to this movement... but they themselves are not part of the movement. I myself am involved with a Pentecostal church (Assemblies of God), and in day to day conversation, if asked what church I "belong" to, I might sum it up quickly as being a Pentecostal. I believe there is indeed much geniune Pentecostal-Charismatic activity out there, that is a direct manifestation of the Spirit of God. I believe in all the gifts of the Spirit being for today, and such things as "five-fold" ministry. I myself have operated in words of knowledge & wisdom (seldom), prophecy (and I've had a few dreams as well...one in which I base my handle on), teaching, tongues, and once I was prompted to give an interpretation to tongues... but was disobedient and did not do so. Do I do these things on a regular basis? More-so teaching than any of the other things. Sometimes, some of the gifts seem to blend together and telling which one is in use is difficult (though it really doesn't matter to me which one(s) it is). And I believe many who are identified today as prophets e.g. Paul Cain, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, etc. are nothing more than diviners. I've been to the church of one of these individuals for the "school of the Spirit/prophets" night, where the prophets did nothing but look like Jonathan Edwards (the guy on TV that talks to the dead), and failed to ever declare one word from the Lord. Of the 16 "prophecies" I heard, not one of them actually said anything about sin. That is not to say I expect every prophetic word to mention something about sin, but something smells fishy when 16 words are given in a large crowd, and not one mentions sin (though, yes I am aware God could speak such).

And I believe many who are identified today as prophets e.g. Paul Cain, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, etc. are nothing more than diviners. I've been to the church of one of these individuals for the "school of the Spirit/prophets" night, where the prophets did nothing but look like Jonathan Edwards (the guy on TV that talks to the dead), and failed to ever declare one word from the Lord. Of the 16 "prophecies" I heard, not one of them actually said anything about sin. That is not to say I expect every prophetic word to mention something about sin, but something smells fishy when 16 words are given in a large crowd, and not one mentions sin (though, yes I am aware God could speak such). I wholeheartedly agree with this statement -- in fact, "diviners" is how I have often referred to this group. They are "foretellers," "diviners," "soothsayers," but not "prophets." As I pointed out below, a true prophet is a "forthteller" first and foremost. Interestingly, this often means that the "prophet" is one who ends up "teaching" -- it is worth examining how many times in the Bible we see "prophets" teaching rather than prophesying. But their teaching is prophecy. A great example of this is Moses.Just a slight correction, but the necromancer you referred to is John Edward, not Jonathan Edwards. Jonathan Edwards was the famous evangelist. The Watchman Fellowship (a Christian cult-watch/apologetics newsletter) recently did an article on John Edward that was pretty good. Either way, the comparison is accurate. At the same time, I do believe that sometimes these men (Joyner, Cain, etc.) prophesy accurately -- as did Balaam -- and that it in no way authenticates them as prophets.www.watchman.org/watchman.htm should have the article somewhere in their archives.

Quote:"I wholeheartedly agree with this statement -- in fact, 'diviners' is how I have often referred to this group. They are 'foretellers,' 'diviners,' 'soothsayers,' but not 'prophets." What is it about these men, especially the two that keep getting mentioned, that makes some think that they are all these other titles besides prophets. I mean, really, how sure are any of us about what a "real" or "authentic" or "true" prophet will look like and be like today? Paul said that we should all earnestly seek the gift of prophecy, but I don't think anywhere in the New Testament does anyone explain exactly what that will look like. Who has the authority to say the specifics about what a prophet must act like or say? Even if all the prophets from the Old Testament times shared similar characteristics, that does not conclusively prove that a prophet must share them today. It seems to me that to make such claims is mere opinion. For this be conclusive, the Scriptures would have to make a claim such as, "all true prophets of the Lord, for all time, will be like this and that...". But I don't know of any such Scripture. Is there any? If not, how are these claims being made anything more than opinion? And even if this model of criticism was used, how many examples do we have of New Testament prophets? Didn't Jesus and Pentecost change the rules and change the way the people of God would function in the world and in relation to HIm. The veil was torn in two, the Holy Spirit was poured out on all flesh, Acts, etc. etc. etc. I don't want to say "everything changed" because some might take that the wrong way, but a whole new dimension was revealed and opened. Sadly, since that time most Christians haven't entered into that dimension. In conclusion, we don't have many models to follow in terms of how it "should" look today. But even if we did, no amount of modeling or referencing how it was done before is conclusive evidence for how it must be done today. That kind of evidence can, at best, only be just that... evidence. That kind of evidence speaks of "this is how it might" or "could look", and can boast of nothing more. Anything beyond is opinion and should be stated as such. That is, unless my logic is off somewhere.

Here I go first post, right into the deep end.Just a couple of thoughts, that I have not seen posted yet. 1. In defining a prophet.A large portion of the O.T prophets, spoke the judgement of God upon a apostate people.My thought is this.What unimaginable torture, to belong to this people, yet be told by God, that the destruction of their nation was just around the corner, [these are my people that are going to perish, be taken captive, starve to death.] To see this so clearly, yet be utterly identified with the people the judgement was spoken against. But know so clearly the justice and truth of Him who spoke, being compelled, despite all personal cost, to tell, to tell hoping and desiring that this thing spoken might not come to pass.Surely then 100% accuracy would be then, the worst thing that could happen?That it could so easily feel like,an absolute failure, so much wasted effort, at such a high personal cost, a tearing heart-breaking thing. [Jeremiah]To know the treachery of adultery, the grief of God over His unfaithful wife, through the livng with the unimaginable shame and pain of his own wife's adultery,this true oracle of God [His burden- the oracle of a prophet, called the burden of the Lord], a constant rending pain carried around in Hoseas heart.To lose as sign to your people, your wife the love of your life, the delight of your eyes, and not be even, at the command of God be permitted to grieve. That in such drastic measure, your heart hearted people might just realise the vital importance of learning to hear God when He speaks.[Ezekiel]To not fear as these people fear, not to regard the things they do, but only to regard as important those things that God regards, Him only to fear and dread. Life lived before God so that the life is considered a sign and wonder, all things in His hand including children.[Isaiah8]In these peoples lives 100% accuracy of prediction was not the defining of what was and what was not prophetic.The events they predicted were in themselves a sign a forth telling, and showing the heart of God.The reason the judgements were spoken was so that the people could repent and turn to God. The prophets cry, was a cry of despair straight from the heart of God. These judgements spoken were a warning, there is no hope in this, no desire for accuracy.To be accurate is to watch your community starve to death in front of your eyes in a seige.To have friends lying bleeding mortally wounded and trampled on dying in the street, pregnant women ripped open, innocent children watching and experiencing unspeakable attrocities, because of the deliberate blindness, brazen idolatry and injustice perpetrated there.And to know the grief of God to Whom, the greatest violence and loss has come.2.The spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus. [Rev]The witness, is of God. The spirit inspiring the breath of life, the life and truth Of God.The accuracy is of a clay vessel, dried and fired, that the glory within may be clearly seen as straight from origins source.And that the origin, is the Creator of all.If the testing done,testifies of our Lord Jesus, the proof of the truth, in what comes forth as gold in our lives. And if what is not, is just then let dropto the groundwhere as dust it belongs.Then we have proved in us He who Is true to usAnd the focus is On Him to it belongs.

Striving after prophetic perfection is a costly thing. The attainment of prophetic perfection will require a sacrifice which most of us do not dare to think of. How, then, will any of us dare to move in with demands on men who have moved a long way in this direction to see the presence revealed and fortified among their fellow pilgrims. True prophets are not easily found, diviners are plenty, as some notes posted indicate. Let us all set out for this realm of reality with caution and reverence, perhaps we will become targets of graces seldom seen among men for the sake of the eternal purpose of God.Lars W.

And Elijah went up by a windstorm to heaven. And Elisha saw it and cried out: ”My father, my father, the chariot of Israel and its horsemen.” 2 Kings 2:11-12.Prophets sent by God are sent forth into the world, heavenly commissioned to represent and reflect the fatherheart of God. A prophet’s mandate lies in his willingness and eagerness to reflect and personify the fatherhood of God Almighty. Prophetic ministry stands for the principle of fatherhood. Prophets personify the identity of the God they serve.Prophets, their stature and dignity, is recognised by the peculiar people which is marked by a desire for true spiritual growth. The twice-born are made able to discern the shepherd’s voice and to reject any counterfeit. Growth unto maturity, becoming a man, is by all means a matter of fatherhood.Elisha was taught the most difficult lesson on earth to be learned, trusting the future into the hands of the only true Father amidst the loss of the object of identification -an earthly father. The mixed and doubleminded multitude of vanity prophets are never able to produce the fruit of true fatherhood, which is hope for the future, through their voluminous and at times deceptively accurate predictions and forecasts.Lars Widerberg

Who has the authority to say the specifics about what a prophet must act like or say?Well, the Scriptures are not without much insight into the general nature of the prophetic ministry. Unlike what many out there in the Charismatic & NeoCharismatic movements teach, the nature of the prophetic ministry remains the same as it has always. One might think the perspective of the prophet might change, from pre-cross to post-cross. To a degree, this is true. Prophets of the OT were still dealing with a time in which Christ had yet to come for the first time, prophets in the NT are dealing with a time in which they are waiting for Christ to come for the second time. Whatever the case, prophets of the OT and NT are still waiting for the Messiah. There are other things that could probably be noted here, but for the sake of brevity, I will move on :)I like one of the better summary's in the OT in regard to the nature of the prophet's message: "...I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him." (Deut 18:18). A lot of books on the "prophetic" ministry like to make things a lot more complicated than this. No need though. For all those out there that might think themselves to be prophets, or teachers of prophets, spare yourself and the prophet much headache, and have them memorize this verse. Reject all men who teach about "hearing" God more "accurately." (which is utter nonsense to begin with... we either hear God or we don't). For, you see, the nature of the prophet's ministry is not to hear... but to speak. The prophet is to speak the words that God places in his mouth, and on his very tongue. I'm worried about the much talk that goes on these days about prophecy being "accurate." Either the prophet hits the mark, or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then to miss the mark is sin. But a prophet need not worry about being accurate, he only needs to worry about being faithful. He will either speak what God commands him to speak, or he shall speak nothing at all, for anything else would not in any way be God. The gift does not in any way need to be sharpened, for if the prophet truly yields the sword of the Lord, it is already sharp enough to divide the spirit from the soul, the bone from the marrow. Any gift of the Spirit that is not already perfect is no gift of the Spirit at all. Many of these so-called prophets need to worry that the Scriptures say nothing about accuracy, for the Scriptures teach it is either all or nothing. Yes, I'm aware there are a few examples in the Scriptures that seem to suggest there are exceptions to this rule... but why is it that in the many teachings, these exceptions have become the rule? Yes, we could go on and also talk deeper about the nature of the prophetic ministry. We could go deal with concepts such as being a watchman, intercessor, a sign, and burden bearer. And there is much rich study in these things. But, even if we know about them, that does not make one a better and more "mature" prophet, does it? Many often talk about the prophetic ministry as if it is a carnal thing, as if the prophet can take upon himself the afforementioned things apart from God. The fact of the matter is, unless God is putting words in your mouth, or giving you dreams and visions, or causing you to be a watchman, or causing you to intercede, or any of these things, then you are chasing after vanity. The prophet cannot be taught how to be a better prophet, he can only be taught to be faithful. Amen and amen.

Came across this again from Ravenhill. I believe it was originally in Why Revival tarries. Talks about the true picture of a prophet Click Here!

That was an awesome article, laholmes.If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it to everyone!