Five Fold Ministry; is it back?

There has been a movement that has started years ago, to where God is bringing back the ministry of the Apostles and Prophets; its called the Latter-Rain.

We had guest speaker that endorses this belief, he considers himself a prophet, God has given him countless dreams and revelations, and has written books of his revelations.

Is real or something else? Should I be concerned?
BTW I go to a Southern Baptist church, most of them don't believe this type of charismania.

Babylon the great whore has grieved away the Holy Spirit along with the gifts and offices by and large. I do not expect to see them return on a large scale to the american church system, only counterfits, as is a fitting reward for this generation that is under Gods wrath.

In Christ - Jim

believeinHim wrote:

Is real or something else? Should I be concerned?

Yes, it is real. The Latter-Rain movement was prophecied in scripture. It has been accompanied by signs and wonders, thereby authenticating it. You need not be afraid of it. God wants all of His children to jump in the river.

There will be pharasaical "fundies" who will argue against this movement of God, but they will find themselves at odds with the Holy Spirit.

Bleesings In His Name,
Tim

how is it been authenticed? Is laughing in the spirit part of this movement? Why would God bring this back? Why does the bible need new revelation? Isn't this just a movement because many believers think church is boring? Therefore, this is new and exciting and makes going to church with "feelings" and "emotions" and this becomes the testing of there faith.

This is a typical "fundie" response.

Tim. Your use of this term is absurd. You have no idea what manner of people you are or are not speaking with on this thread.

"For this reason God shall send them a powerful delusion."

You may consider a pastor who looks at pornography regularly then lays hands on someone that results in them being happy, laughing, barking like a dog, etc, the moving of the Holy Spirit. I call it Gods curse of strong delusion on those who are lovers of pleasure more then lovers of God.

When I see a revival where people are weeping over their lukewarmness and compromise, selling their possesions and giving them to charity and being cleansed of all known forms of sin as a testimony to the power and majesty of the great I am... when I see a man who can lay his hands on people with these results I'll pay attention.

In Christ - Jim

Calling people names like "fundie" does not promote unity or lend itself to opening up a respectable dialog. If you really want to talk about some of this stuff I'd love to.

In Christ - Jim

believeinHim wrote:

how is it been authenticed? Is laughing in the spirit part of this movement? Why would God bring this back? Why does the bible need new revelation? Isn't this just a movement because many believers think church is boring? Therefore, this is new and exciting and makes going to church with "feelings" and "emotions" and this becomes the testing of there faith.

This is a typical "fundie" response. :-)

Have you taken a pair of scissors and cut out every instance the word "joy" is used? And if you think this is all the Latter-Rain Movement is about, then I will pray that the Holy Spirit will come upon your life with power, and enlighten you to all that He is doing in these days.

Blessings In His Name,
Tim

quiet honestly, I know what I am talking about. I came out of the "charismatic" movement. I spoke with other tongues, laying people in the spirit and so on. These things are confusing to people, they don't bring peace. This is a self-edifying movement, are we not to thing of others before ourselves? When I was in this "so-called" movement, people were driven by emotions, not by the WORD! They coveted other peoples gifts, and felt that God must not love me enough to experience these wonderful things! Jimmie said it correctly, when these things effect the body of Christ in a biblical way, then I will stop and listen. Look into the real revivals in the past, when GODS power came upon the church, the people were changed and the towns were changed. people stopped going to the taverns, they began to close! people began to repent and believe. Not run around the church, jumping and singing. whaling bout on the ground like someone convulsing. Can you really imagine the Holy Spirit having people jump around, laughing and barking? Why isn't this spreading around to others, God is no respecter of persons. If people really have the gift of healing, lets go down to the burn unit at Vanderbilt?

This is a pagan movement, because it draws grounds in church, its exciting and fun! There is know Holiness and Righteous in this movement, i could live like the devil and rebuke that demon of lust and be fine for a while.

Hi reformer, your question was strongly on my mind last night, but not exactly the same way you've asked it.

I don't believe the 5 Ministerial gifts 'ever left' the Church. But now, these "titles" are being abused as never before in the Church's History. Which Jesus warned about strongly.

We have the Joel 2 passages that are prophetic, but they do not say that there will be an increase of Apostles and Prophets, but it says -
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and [u]your sons and your daughters[/u] shall prophesy, [u]your old men[/u] shall dream dreams, [u]your young men[/u] shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 [u]And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids[/u] in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Joe 2:30 [u]And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.[/u]
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Because we are more than likely in the beginning of those days, we may be seeing a bit more experiencing these things mentioned above, but having a vision or dream does not make one a Prophet - and that is where a lot of the confusion is coming from with this sudden burst of SO MANY Prophets lately.

Apostles are basically Missionaries. Would to God there 'were' more of those around. :-(

And again, this prophecy in Joel goes hand in hand with Jesus' warning of false prophets and teachers [u]increasing[/u] by the droves "in those days".

Daniel said, in "those" days that the Saints will do exploits and win souls to Christ - but Jesus pointed out that Most will fall away, so this is a small number compared to the pre-tribulation numbers presently in the Church - the apostasy is here but not at the great extent it will be when persecution begins. Persecution in the United States and other free Nations will thin out a lot of these Prophets and Apostles or just have them join over to the false Church with their false prophecies. Also as those who do not truly love 'the truth' are given over to the strong delusion that God 'will' send.
In the meantime, the most of these professing Apostles and Prophets are doing nothing more but delivering the Apostasy and deception on golden platters and profiting from it, either financially or ego wise.

The real Christians are always the "few" - through-out the entire time of the Church - past and future tense.

I believe there are some that are just innocently confused on the gifts - those who have had "a word or dream or vision" that 'are' from God, may be confused to thinking they are Prophets. Innocent as they may be - that is the onset of error and pride that leads to a fall.

One can be used in the gift of prophecy and not be a Prophet. Prophets do not just get visions, dreams or words - they are Doctrinally accurate from the beginning. No confusion in their beliefs from the unset. The Lord does not let them be deceived from their first days as regenerated children of God. They discern false doctrine or heretics from the start. No going from one belief to another every so many years. They are the doctrinal ballast of the Body of Christ - and not just dreamers and "seers" or forth-tellers.
And as we saw in Joel 2, 'during' those horrible times, all will be empowered in ways that we presently only see as 'prophetic' at the moment. But not until "those days" are upon us.
He sends His Spirit in that way "at that time" that He says above in those verses, because each verse begins with an "and".
The latter rain folks seldom see that, nor do they combine it with the many verses that mention the "few" and the multitude "going into apostasy" and that "most" will fall away for a lack of "love" and because iniquity abounds.

Personally, in all my years in the Church, I've never seen so many claiming or wanting to be Prophets. This desire to self-fulfill Joel 2 is part of the last days deception.
Either which way you look at it - their problem is with "numbers". Their count is off.

Dont chase revivals, dont chase movements.
Open your bible and Get on your knees and Chase after the giver of Life, who is Jesus Christ.

When movements or people claim to have new revealed truth, Run Run for your life and Just Seek Jesus..

Amen, let us seek the "old" revealed truth as it is.

In Christ - Jim

Amen Poet. I do believe in all of the gifts, but will not attend a Pentecostal church any longer. Now isn't that sad.

I meant to add in my reply above, that also those with the burden to be "watchmen" - can be confused as being Prophets, when they are not.
They could be both, but not all watchmen are prophets, but all prophets are watchmen. But again, God has called each into their Ministerial gift before the person was born, so true Prophets do not go from one belief or group or church to another - changing their minds on things every so many years.
That's important to remember. Some of the most popular "prophets" I've seen have been into heretical groups before and that is not Biblically sound.
When people come to you with otherwise about Prophets - ask them for an example from His Word where prophets are ever tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine and errors - with the exception of Balaam and the prophetess Jezebel.
Heavy stuff and thankful this subject came up reformer - none too soon.
Possibly we could have a revival of Humility and Reverence of Jesus' Words.

Amen Poet. I do believe in all of the gifts, but will not attend a Pentecostal church any longer. Now isn't that sad.

Same here!

Personally, in all my years in the Church, I've never seen so many claiming or wanting to be Prophets. This desire to self-fulfill Joel 2 is part of the last days deception.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head with this statement!! :-)

Blessings

take a look at my blog. i posted an article about a man that came to speak. Its tagged as "Who's watching the Gate?"

They believe they are the end time prophets to come, but one big problem, most of what they prophesy doesnt come true. Their excuse is that they are just not mature in their gifting.

great point!8-), several articles I have read talk about this issue. What does Deut.13 talk about?