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ginnyrose Oct 1, 2007

Our church is in the process of launching a Kid's Club directed towards older teens. We have hosted VBS the past few years with the cut off age for attendees being 14 yrs. Well, what happened is the youth enjoy it so much they keep coming! Now in response to this, we want to host classes for these older youth only.

I have volunteered to teach chasity to the teen girls. Now my question to SI posters is: what program would you recommend? I can google "chasity programs" and the first page is littered with pages that declare they don't work. To search more would be too time consuming. I have in the past looked at some, but years have gone by since....

I have one complaint about some programs: they use the term 'teen-age sex' as being sinful. As I see it this phrase implies that once you are out of the teens, premarital sex is OK. Wrong! All premarital sex is sin regardless of the age - 13 or 80 YO! So....this means I do NOT want any that use this phrase.

I likely could design my own lessons, but I have had little experience in teaching this on a large scale (did one on one at CPC) and would appreciate some insights from others to help me get started.

Any suggestions will be carefully considered. Other comments will be welcome as well. Thanks and God Bless!

ginnyrose

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iansmith Oct 1, 2007

You might want to listen to Paul Washer's sermons on Courtship to get some good ideas of what to talk to them about. Instead of focusing on what they're 'not getting' you should focus on what they are getting... a precious gift!

PS. The important message from Paul Washer's sermons is that any 'chastity program' if you want to call it that, has to start with parents... maybe you should start with a class for the parents of these children going over what Paul Washer says.

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ginnyrose Oct 1, 2007

Thanks Iansmith. I will listen to this sermon.

Perhaps I should share the what the prevailing culture is where these teens live: religious - meaning they [likely] are familar with the Bible, poor, come from one parent home - meaning a dad is absent because the mother [likely] never was married, black, small town residents, promiscuity rampant.

ginnyrose

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MaryJane Oct 1, 2007

Greetings

I read this article awhile back and thought it was very helpful. It is long, but if you have time it may be helpful to get some ideas from.

God Bless
MaryJane

The Yuckiness Of Worldly Thinking

Here’s some perspective on the subject as you sort it out with the precious young ladies....Beware of the world and the self-centered picture of everything it paints. The more intimate relationships are no exception. In the area of “romance”, dating, marriage, and “falling in love”, the world promises such happiness and fulfillment...you see it all over the t.v. and movies, books , magazines, glamour stories and such. The world’s picture of romance looks so rich and appealing, but its basis is shallow and elusive. People are drawn and driven by externals such as physical appearance, having “things” in common, how he/she makes me “feel”, my “needs”, my emotions, my lusts and the fantasy of “romantic moments”. The bait that lures is fleeting and only produces the ungoldly babies of jealousy, envy, lust, idolatry, comparisons, immorality, possessiveness, disappointments, bitterness and factions.

Relationships and romance the way the world paints them may look so fulfilling and desirable, but when you arrive in that fleeting place (if you ever do at all) it’s gone and often the process itself wrecks people’s lives. Like tempting candy, that “sugary sweet” is quite appealing and enjoyable—for a time. However, if you tried to live on a diet of it, you would die. It does not have what a body needs to function properly. The candy may temporarily “fill” but in the end you will suffer greatly for it. Sin is like that. It doesn’t usually reveal itself as the gross, disgusting, twisted, maiming monster that it is. Sin lures us in with things that appeal to our flesh and then destroys us.

(James 1:14-16) “...but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.”

In most societies it’s nearly always been considered a worthy pursuit to desire a mate for different fleshly reasons, but it is deadly to our spiritual welfare. It is sin to pursue a mate because of his looks, his physique, his money or personality or position on the social ladder. It is sin to pursue men for the sake of getting attention and flattery. Males are not on the planet so women could get pumped up on a bunch of gunky emotions and so “I can have someone who would love me and give me all I ever wanted”. That ain’t it. Those motives will cut you off from the Life of Jesus. Basing relationships out of emotional appeal is sin—a kind of sensual indulgence.
Plant A Marital Garden On The Inside

In a desire to “find a mate” it is so important to keep our hands and hearts open for God to do as He wills and not grab on to anything else. Otherwise, we set ourselves up for disappointments and unfair expectations from others and from God. He can be trusted to give us all we need. He will point the way and open the doors in His time, and in His way. And you can bet it won’t unfold in the way the world deems “important.” In the meantime, young ladies can “seek first His Kingdom” by serving the saints in her life through acts of self-sacrifice and kindness and love. And on the inside, she can be planting a “marital garden” by prayerfully and quietly finding out what God wants for a woman of His and how to function. Not with a bunch of gabbing or being consumed by it, but with peace, quietness and a submissive attitude. There is plenty of work to be done on the inside, for any young woman who desires to be God’s kind of bride, pleasing to Him.

(1 Peter 3:3-4) “Don’t be concerned about the outward beauty that depends on fancy hairstyles, expensive jewelry, or beautiful clothes. You should be known for the beauty that comes from within, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is so precious to God.”

(1 Timothy 2:9-15) “And I want women to be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves by the way they fix their hair or by wearing gold or pearls or expensive clothes. For women who claim to be devoted to God should make themselves attractive by the good things they do. Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterwards he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty.”

(2 Tim 2:22) “Run from anything that stimulates youthful lust. Follow anything that makes you want to do right. Pursue faith and love and peace, and enjoy the companionship of those who call on the Lord with pure hearts.”

(Col. 3:5) “So put to death the sinful, earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual sin, impurity, lust, and shameful desires. Don’t be greedy for the good things of this life, for that is idolatry.”

(1 Thess. 4:3-8) “God wants you to be holy, so you should keep clear of all sexual sin. Then each of you will control your body and live in holiness and honor—not in lustful passion as the pagans do, in their ignorance of God and his ways. God has called us to be holy, not to live impure lives. Anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human rules but is rejecting God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.”
Don’t Spoil The Fun By Running Ahead

God knows our needs better than we know them ourselves. As a young woman, don’t get ahead of God and the Way He wants to do His business. Instead, be busy about the Work that God wants you to be focusing on. Enjoy being a young person, watch Him work, with patience and wonder. He knows what you need! There will be lots of springs and summers and autumns and winters to enjoy and live in. Don’t “spoil the fun” by chasing after the packages and gifts that aren’t yet ready to be opened!

Consider this picture...Imagine that a mother wants to do something very special for her daughter. She wants to give her a special treat out of her love and generosity. So she stashes her daughter’s favorite ice cream in the back of the freezer, waiting for that perfect moment to pull it out and surprise her. Finally, that perfect time arrives. You can imagine how eager the mom is to see the look on her daughter’s face. She goes to the freezer, and when she reaches for the ice cream, she finds it half eaten! The daughter helped herself to the ice cream! All of the anticipation and joy for the mom was stolen and ruined. And sadly, because the daughter helped herself, she missed out on receiving a gift of love. You see the point....when you run ahead and take something for yourself, you rob God of the wonderful gifts He wants to bless you with. And more importantly, you miss out on growing close to Him through trusting and worshipping Him, in patience and love.

So, if you find yourself “looking at the boys”, gravitating toward them, thinking about them, craving their attention, enjoying their attention, please STOP!! That is not God’s will for your life to have “goosebump mania” through the sensations of your flesh and emotions. If you find yourself distracted by the lust of your flesh and emotions, calm your soul. Our emotions and hormones and feelings need to be laid on the altar for His purposes, reigned in and reserved for Him.
She Needs To Be Protected, And Within The Walls

The precious young ladies of God’s people, whether born again or not, are made for Jesus, not for the eyes and lusts of the world and its pagans. As young princesses growing older amongst God’s people, they need protection—from the world, from its cares and affairs, and from its deadly influences, not to mention the danger, crime, immorality and lust of a wicked and depraved generation. Our young princesses are vulnerable and need covering and nurturing in a special way. Her heartthrob needs to be that of a handmaiden, pursuing Jesus whole-heartedly. She can wash Jesus’ feet through the serving of the saints, through obedience to her parents, through loving authority and by being a bright spot to the people in her life, sowing good seeds generously, every day, towards Him and towards His people!! Learning to fall in love with all that He loves and hating all that He hates—falling in love with HIM, as her heart’s desire.

To be a woman of noble character is her aim—within the walls of God’s People, serving His house with diligence, kindness, industriousness and love. This description in Proverbs 31 is a picture of the life of a woman in the midst of Israel, a type of the church of Jesus, where all the people are bought by His blood. It is not in the context of the world that she pursues this picture that is described. A few snapshots from the proverb....

“Who can find a virtuous and capable wife? She is worth more than precious rubies. Her husband can trust her, and she will greatly enrich his life. She will not hinder him but help him all her life....She is energetic and strong, a hard worker. She watches for profitable trade; her lights burn late into the night. Her hands are busy spinning thread, her fingers twisting fiber. She extends a helping hand to the poor and opens her arms to the needy....She is clothed with strength and dignity, and she laughs with no fear of the future. When she speaks, her words are wise, and kindness is the rule when she gives instructions....Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the Lord will be greatly praised.”

And in Titus...

(Titus 2:4-5) “These older women must train the younger women to love their husbands and their children, to live wisely and be pure, to take care of their homes, to do good, and to be submissive to their husbands. Then they will not bring shame on the Word of God.
Practical Problem Areas

Here are “problem areas” which will hinder a person from becoming that woman of noble character. You may want to look them over with your young lady.

1. Appearance—A lopsided, unhealthy value placed on one’s clothing, hairstyle, facial features, body parts. If you are overly concerned and preoccupied with “how you look”, you have a misplaced priority and possibly a misplaced affection. Are you...noticing how your clothes “feel” on you all the time? Lingering in the mirror examining your face? Comparing your body to someone else’s body? Pride in yourself or jealousy of others? Always thinking about what you’re going to wear? All of these things are telltale signs that you have a misplaced priority about your earth-suit that robs you of being beautiful where it counts—on the INSIDE! “It is not outward appearance that makes you beautiful, but the inner self.” Do you believe that—for REAL? If so, work hard to make yourself beautiful on the inside with good choices, a yielded heart and by rejecting the temptations to primp and gaze in the mirror and be overly concerned with clothing, makeup and hairstyles.

2. Clothing—If it is important to you that you have the latest trends and styles, you’ve got an idea that comes from worldly thinking. If anything, we want to steer away from the trends of the world! Not that we should stand out as being weird—we don’t want that either. But to mimic what “they” do with clothing, shoes, eyeglasses and other apparel is dangerous territory to tread on. Here, the important question is: why do you wear and buy what you do?? Because you “like it” may not be a good idea if it smacks of the world. Just because it is so plentiful on the racks doesn’t make it a good idea. Sometimes it requires very conscientious work and effort to find clothing for a young woman in the kingdom which covers and is appropriate. Not trendy yet not monastic. It is quite a balancing act sometimes, but don’t worry, we can figure it out together! The important thing is to approach the whole area with a very loose hold, learning to prefer what is becoming and proper for a disciple and laying down preferences for certain “cuts,” necklines, flimsy or clingy materials, tight clothing and the like (all of which you will want to get rid of as you see the importance of covering and guarding the “lines” and “shape” God has given you.) Your body doesn’t belong to you, but for another, in the future. And it doesn’t belong to the world for pagan men to gawk over! Keep it safe, okay?? Take special care.

3. Magazines, books, catalogs, movies, t.v.—What you allow to pass into your head through the media, and printed material is VERY important. It WILL eat you away on the inside to take in bad seed in these forms. Worldly novels, stories that emphasize “good looks”, romance, self-centered relationships, and other worldly values will only serve to make it a priority in your own life. If you look at teen magazines or tabloids, they are out-of-bounds for a disciple—utter trash. Not some legal thing to “not read magazines”—but just because there is NO value in them for anyone who wants to be more like Jesus. Many magazines emphasize and value everything you don’t want to become! Looks, makeup, weight and figure, dating, primping, social pursuits...all these things are the opposite of God’s desire for your life. It is the world’s way of “training” you. God wants your priorities to be HIS and so, the seeds to sow will best come from His Word in all its many forms, others’ godly influence, and turning away from worldly sources.

4) The opposite gender—Take special care, as a young person to not position yourself in tempting, tough situations. Going towards boys or standing in places and in ways where you’ll be noticed is not usually a good idea. Flirting and being “chatty are bad news! The “dating game” of the world is OF THE WORLD! Don’t fall prey to its lure. “Dating” is, as one brother in California is prone to say, preparation for divorce, not preparation for marriage. It is WRONG building to participate in the “dating game” approach to “courting”. “Dating” cultivates a wrong sense of priorities and desires and habits, and introduces great dangers that never need be there for a young person, OR an older person.

There is a better way—a JESUS way—to meet and begin to know and find God’s Heart if He would have you have a marriage partner. “Make no provision for your flesh” by setting yourself up in bad situations, or closing your eyes when others are doing so! Better to “stick with the girls” (or, for the guys, stick with the guys) in a lot of cases, or with those who have a watch over your life. There is NO real reason for ever segregating by “age” or isolating in “opposite sex” private situations, anyway. NOT if we are trying to get to know JESUS and those that are His, and to hear His Voice, anyway. If we have other motives and mammal instincts we are pursuing, we’ll do it the way the world does it, without even questioning it. And we’ll let others “bully” us with, “Everyone ELSE is doing it! Don’t be such a shrew. You’re being overly protective. You’ll smother them. You have to let them expand themselves. You have to let them make their own decisions. Blah, blah, blackmail, accuse, insult, pressure to conform to the patterns of this world.” There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death, and 60% divorce rate in the “churches”. THERE IS A WAY THAT IS GOD’S for discovering if Father intends you to have a marital partner, and, if so, who that may be. And it is NOT “dating”.
Build Right In ALL Relationships!

Keep in mind too that the only good foundation for any relationship is to build because of what Jesus is currently doing—and NO other reason. It you choose and build because of external reasons or desires of your flesh, you will find yourself very empty, very frustrated and very alone. The only kind of relationship that brings Peace and Life and good fruit to you and those around you is to pursue people based on who they are in Jesus. It’s got to be a relationship that has Jesus and Truth as its total basis. The whole reason you are in it is because of Him and His House, and nothing else. Be attracted by what attracts Jesus. Be attracted by those who are serious about pleasing Jesus and who want to be changed into His likeness and who respond to the Word of God with obedience and respect.

Choosing your friends because of their age or social class or where they live or the kind of job they have or because they look pretty, or have a funny personality is building “after the flesh”. To “like” people because you have common interests or because they give you flattery and enjoy you so much, is self-centered reasoning and improper building for a disciple of Jesus. Let the measurement of the value of a relationship be how it is helping you grow in Jesus and how your relationship helps others grow in Him as well. A genuinely God-centered relationship with someone will ALWAYS benefit other people. It will NEVER, ever, ever be exclusive, revolving around two people only, sucking one another towards themselves. Ask Him to purify your motives and desires in the relationships He’s placed you in. Allow Him to fill you and reject finding fulfillment anywhere outside of His will for your life.

Remember that you will become like those you hang around. “Bad company corrupts good character.” Be careful who your closest friends are because you’ll become like them. Don’t spend your affection, desires, time and energy on those who value the world’s ways, affections and priorities. Steer clear of choosing and forming relationships based on worldy junk! Don’t be rude or unkind to those who are without Jesus or who are immature in their lives, but don’t desire affection from or buddy up to those people either. Pursue godly examples, and be a godly example.

To sum it up, followers of Jesus are bent on one thing and that is to love Him, to serve Him, and to adore Him only; to become increasingly buried and submersed in His Life and His thoughts and His priorities. Deeper and deeper into the Life of Jesus, to the Glory of the Father, through the leading of His Spirit. Now that’s a ROMANCE that is very worth pursuing!! It sounds good, doesn’t it? :)

If Father has Plans for you—to remain single, as He did His Son Jesus, and His servant Paul and many others, that is WONDERFUL also! Don’t be bullied! Don’t be afraid! Many pursue these things out of selfishness, or loneliness, or hormones, or pressures from peers or parents, or foolish thinking, or pride (not wanting to be labeled) or laziness (wanting someone to serve them and meet their needs), or desiring affection, or an undisciplined mind, or discouragement, or being unclear of their Mission in Life. WEAK! YUCK! Don’t be like this, like the animal kingdom, but “Be TRANSFIGURED by the renewing of your mind!”

And IF He desires marriage for you, in time? Don’t be afraid of that either! It is in the Father’s heart, you know, if HE has authored it as a Gift to you! The picture of a beautiful young woman preparing herself for her one and only, is a reflection of God’s desire for His betrothed! Looking with hope and perseverance to being prepared in heart and mind and character is God’s heart for His people, His Bride. The purity of love, a marriage, procreation, and the beauty of the “cord of three strands”—as well as the close quarters training ground in godliness and self-sacrifice, is in fact, buried deep in the Father’s Heart. It’s not a bad thing, it’s just that it is meant to be given by Him, not chased after by His children. He is the one who birthed the idea of a man’s deep love for others, and expressing that as a shadow of the Life and Love of Jesus. But it is HIS to Give and not ours to take or grab after, or to build as we choose. “Let the Bride and the Bridegroom come OUT of their chambers” and “seek FIRST the Kingdom”!! And your Heavenly Father, who knows...! Come, Lord Jesus, for Your Bride!

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moreofHim Oct 1, 2007

Hello Ginnyrose,

I have a 17 yr old daughter (now away at school), an 11 yr. old son and almost 9 yr old girl.

My recommendation is Leslie Ludy's [url=http://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Beauty-Shaping-Set-Apart-Young/dp/159052991X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-2688799-3696064?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191275589&sr=1-1]"Authentic Beauty: The Shaping of a Set-Apart Young Woman"[/url]
and the [url=http://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Beauty-Going-Deeper-Set-Apart/dp/1590529758/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-2688799-3696064?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191275589&sr=1-2]Authentic Beauty study guide[/url] to help you with more in depth questions, etc....

The wonderful thing about the book (and her and her husband's message) is that it is not just about 'not having sex' until your married- it's about keeping your heart and motives pure. Leslie writes from a perspective that she is addressing 'christian' kids who have been taught to save sex until marriage, but really don't understand the deeper meaning about surrendering that area over to the Lord, as well as growing in a deeper relationship with the Lord. Many teens know that they shouldn't go all the way, yet they give their hearts away time and time again, or they see how far they 'can' go- just as long as it isn't intercourse. I think you would really enjoy it. My daughter and I and my husband have read all of her and her husband's books. Their story is amazing and such a wonderful testimony for a future generation that needs an example of surrendering these areas to the Lord.

Leslie's website is [url=www.authenticgirl.com]Authentic Girl[/url] and her and her husband's (Eric) website is [url=www.ericandleslie.com]Eric and Leslie[/url]

I do hope you find this information helpful. It has been such a blessing to my daughter, our family and her friends.

In His love, Chanin

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moreofHim Oct 1, 2007

Hi again,

I just wanted to give you a link to Eric and Leslie Ludy's recommended reading list so that you can see what their influences are. I know it is easy today to see young people speaking or writing and think that their are coming from a 'relevant' perspective. This couple is not :-)

[url=http://authenticgirl.com/reading.php]Eric and Leslie's Reading List[/url]

Blessings, Chanin

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PreachParsly Oct 1, 2007

Eric and Leslie Ludy's

I've read some of their books. I definitely echo the recommendations.

I have "When God Writes Your Love Story" and "When Dreams Come True," both by them.

sermonindex Oct 2, 2007

Hi Ginny,

First off, I'd like to posit a personal opinion about that sermon by Paul Washer: it seemed geared toward Christian teenagers who come from Christian, middle class, nuclear (mother and father) families.

If you teach this courting "doctrine" to teenagers in your group who happen to [i]not[/i] come from that type of background, they may feel alienated - for various reasons, such as not having a Christian father, or even an older role model, that may be asked "permission" by the hopeful courtier.

I came from a poor, single-mother family, with no male role models to speak of apart from T.V. or movies. So the kind of advice I receieved as a teenager at a Christian camp (some of it similar to Washer's in that it was geared to the mostly upper-middle-class kids from two-parent families) was terribly inadequate to my situation.

Whatever you decide to tell them, don't compound the "bastard curse" by leaving the fatherless, or those that come from disfunctional homes, out of your equations.

Secondly, I have read excerpts from a wonderful book by a young Jewish woman, Wendy Shalit, called [b]A Return to Modesty[/b]. Please, PLEASE, read some excerpts online and consider ordering it. The wisdom it contains is invaluable for today's young men and women (she was twenty-three when she wrote it).

Thirdly, when you give your talks, do so knowing that there's a high probability that one or more of your listeners has been, or is at present, sexually active already - whether by consent or by abuse. In either case, you might do well by not compounding the sin with undue shame:

"A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth." (ISA 42:3)

Don't "break" those poor "bruised reeds" who may have already lost their innocence through no fault of their own. And there are as many "bruised reeds" in the Church as there are in the world - no matter how solid a family may look to the casual observer.

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Onesimus4God Oct 2, 2007

Look up Joe White on the internet. I have listened to him in person and he is just so very anointed. I also orderd a message on dvd and an accompanying book that are just outstanding. They are both called "Pure Excitement". Oh my how they blessed me.

Lahry

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ginnyrose Oct 2, 2007

Corey wrote:

Whatever you decide to tell them, don't compound the "bastard curse" by leaving the fatherless, or those that come from disfunctional homes, out of your equations.

Corey, what do you think about presenting this idea to these girls: "you cannot help who you were born to or when. You have no control over that. But you do have the power to control your own future with the choices you make now. You may have made bad choices in the past, but Jesus can redeem that by forgiving you, helping you make a new start." Then share with them the principles of "secondary virginity."

What say, Corey? or anyone else who comes from a similar backgroud....Actually, I would love to hear from those who were not raised in a Christian home, or if they were who pursued a life of rebellion, but are now following the LORD. So, what I want to know is what points should be emphasized?

I will be listening (or reading).

Thanks to all who have responded.

ginnyrose

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ginnyrose Oct 2, 2007

MaryJane,

I briefly scanned this article, deemed it a keeper and so I printed out all 4+ pages of it for careful study.

The writer touches on all points...actually, a person could almost use it as a springboard for a series of lessons: it is so thorough.

I have seen some abstinence programs where the primary thrust is "do not have sex". Period. End of discussion. To me this will do more to create confusion then anything else. The questions: well, then, how should I live? are not answered. Neither is the one: how do I live victorous over these natural drives I have within? Oh, sure they have heard of the Holy Spirit and what the Bible says...but where the rubber meets the road...that is where we all live...How can I present this where it will be so practical they will [i]want[/i] to pursue it. This is my greatest question..and I would love to hear from those who have or are wrestling with this issue.

An arguement can be made that you have worked at CPC, you were a youth one time (am now 60 YO) and so should know all the answers. Perhaps. BUT the culture where I grew up gave strong support to chasity. It was positive peer pressure and this pressure was so great that I was scared of my reputation if I were ever to engaged in petting or even necking! (It worked! PTL!) And we also did not see walking porn in the streets/stores and churches, either.

OK, I will shut up...keep the ideas coming...they have all been so good...

Blessings to all who have posted here...

ginnyrose

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ginnyrose Oct 2, 2007

I have checked out Eric and Leslie Ludy's website...so impressive...lots of inspiration there that will demand more study from me. I saw on the recommended reading list a book by Elizabeth Elliot, [i][b]Passion and Purity[/b][/i]. Would this be good for teens from poor, single parent homes who may be promiscious?

ginnyrose

sermonindex Oct 3, 2007

Corey, what do you think about presenting this idea to these girls: "you cannot help who you were born to or when. You have no control over that. But you do have the power to control your own future with the choices you make now. You may have made bad choices in the past, but Jesus can redeem that by forgiving you, helping you make a new start." Then share with them the principles of "secondary virginity."

Hi ginnyrose. Thanks for asking for my opinion!

I don’t know that terms like “secondary virginity” are in the Bible. Some folks swear by acronyms, programs, and catchphrases to reach the young, but they’re smarter than us adults give them credit for. Give them the benefit of the doubt by having a frank discussion about God and what His Word truly says about celibacy and intimacy.

Don’t think they don’t understand what you’re talking about – they’re taught sex-ed in school, hear explicit details on the playgrounds every day, and some have probably seen images on the Internet.

Be wary of using the words “new start” and “power to control” – if one (or more) of the girls in the group are [i]presently[/i] being abused at home by a relative, or at school by a teacher, etc, they may not be able to “make a new start”, as you optimistically put it.

They need to know there are no sins of mind or body that Jesus cannot and will not forgive - nothing is too dirty for Him to make clean and nothing so black He cannot make white again (except the Unpardonable Sin).

"Wherefore I say unto you, [i]All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men[/i]... (MATT 12:31)

They need to know that even though the Lord disapproves of sexual immorality – and we therefore ought not to participate in it – it is inevitable that many of us will participate in it in one form or another, whether by consent or otherwise (this is where the “tires meet the road”, as it were). They need assurance that if they’ve already been involved in such matters, or if they slip up in the future, our Advocate Jesus does not condemn us. In fact, He stands at the right hand of the Father ready to forgive us:

"Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, [i]Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.[/i]" (JOHN 8:10-11)

They need to know that each and every one of them has a guardian angel that tells the Father everything, good and evil, that happens to them:

“Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.” (MATT 18:10)

They need to know that no matter how many sins they’ve witnessed or participated in, Jesus has forgiven them and they will be made whole again – if not in this lifetime, in the next:

“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.” (LUKE 7:47-48)

"And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague." (MARK 5:34)

After you’ve assured them they won’t be damned for all eternity because they kissed that boy (or more) by the fence, were molested by their uncle… and that they won’t be damned if they slip up in the future (I wouldn’t phrase it like that, but you get my point)…

You may want to present many scriptural examples of sexual morality and immorality, discuss the situations, ask them what they think the consequences may have been, and then reveal the consequences themselves. Get them actively thinking. For example:

Tell the story of Abraham’s relationship with Sarah, and their use of the servant woman Hagar to produce an heir.

Q: If you were married, would you mind if your husband had sex with another woman he wasn’t married to?

Q: Would it be okay for him to sleep with someone else if so that you both could have a child and heir to your family (may want to discuss current ideas of surrogate motherhood)?

Q: Do you think Hagar had a choice in the matter? How do you think she felt?

Q: How do you think things turned out between Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar?

Then, tell them how the story actually ends: Hagar is kicked out of Abraham’s camp, but ends up being blessed by the Lord anyway.


Or tell them of David’s son Amnon, and his infatuation – and ensuing rape – of his half-brother Absalom’s daughter, and David’s granddaughter, Tamar (II SAM 13).

Q: How do you think Tamar felt? How do you think her father, Absalom, felt?

Q: According to the Law of Moses, a man who raped a woman was punishable by death. Did David uphold the Law?

Q: Amnon “loved” Tamar. Why do you think Amnon “hated” Tamar after he raped her?

Q: How do you think things turned out between the brothers Amnon and Absalom, and their relationship with King David, ended?

Q: Imagine David had executed Amnon as the Law demanded. Would Tamar and Absalom feel that justice had been served? How do you think things would have turned out?

Then, tell them how David was dethroned by his own indignant son Absalom and exiled, his concubines were ravaged in broad daylight by David’s own son in view of everyone, the entire kingdom was brought down to the ground… all because David refused to justify Tamar’s loss of innocence by executing her pervert uncle, and David’s own son, as the Law demanded.

Discuss the relationship between Ruth and Boaz, Jacob and his wives and concubines, Judah and Tamar, Isaac and Rebekah, David and Bathsheba, Solomon and his 600 wives and 300 concubines… ask lots of questions… [i]get them thinking about consequences[/i]

That’s all I have for now… whew!

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ginnyrose Oct 4, 2007

Corey,

I think you need to find yourself a group of fellows and start teaching them! You have a lot to share!

It is one thing to tell a person in 30 minutes what a body should do. Only a limited amount of time is invested in this. But as I see it, to go for weeks, teaching them deligently with the hope/expectation that there will be fruit, seems quite daunting. Especially so when you know they live in the cesspool of sin, with no regard for holiness...God will sure have to work some mighty miracles. It overwhelms me somewhat when I think about it. Yet I know I am not the Holy Spirit and am to not assume that role, either. Brother, mentallly I know the facts but it has not yet reached my emotions!

Thanks for sharing, Corey. I will study your suggestions very carefully.

Ya'll just pray for me...

ginnyrose

EDIT: The term "secondary virginity" is one coined by the teachers of abstenince to encourage those who have been immoral, teaching them they can repent and pursue purity from here on.

sermonindex Oct 4, 2007

I think you need to find yourself a group of fellows and start teaching them! You have a lot to share!

Thanks for the compliment! Unfortunately, I'm still very carnal in certain areas and have a tendency to bluntness to the point of rudeness when it comes to interacting with Christians - I always seem to think I'm right for some strange reason...

Until I know for sure whether my discernment about spiritual matters is of God, and until I can get my flesh under my spirit, I must remain anonymous.

There are so many preachers and teachers of error today who, I imagine, were so eager to declare the works of the Spirit that, through lack of patience, prayer, and quiet meditation upon the Word, they end up instructing the doctrines of devils.

The Devil will tell 99 truths if it can help him plant one lie. He appears as "an angel of light" and many have mistaken his sensually "spiritual" deceptions as the presence of the Holy Ghost. I've already seen such deceptions in certain churches and prayer groups I've attended (and almost fell for it, too). The only way to distinguish Satan's spiritual light from God's is to diligently search and meditate on the scriptures, pray constantly, have inward holiness, outward righteousness, and look ever upwards.

Since I'm still failing miserably at most of these, I must not teach. I would be a hypocrite - and we know where the hypocrites go.

Besides, Jesus prepared for thirty years, in relative obscurity, for a three-year ministry.

How then could I teach after being baptised in the Holy Ghost only a year ago?

Hehe, I do go off on tangents...

Thanks again for the compliment. Please pray for me, too.

sermonindex Oct 4, 2007

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I believe Tommy Nelson started the [url=http://www.songofsolomon.com/]Song of Solomon[/url] Bible conferences. They have them for married people and 1 day conferences for teens. I listened to the tapes and they very very good. Check out the website, I'm not sure if they'll be very helpful or not unless you purchase something.

I liked what Corey suggested, don't make it cookie cutter. There will be such a variance in your class. From the virginal with no ideas to the virginal who has done everything but intercourse to the abused in a Christian home.

Love will always win the day with ALL the kids no matter what their background is!! Many blessings to you and your students!

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ginnyrose Oct 4, 2007

Corey wrote:

I always seem to think I'm right for some strange reason...

hmm, most people who have this tendency never seem to outgrow it, for some reason...In fact the LORD had to convict me of the sin of debate (Romans 1:29). I was good :-o at it. Doesn't mean I am always successful in maintaining a peaceable and quiet spirit, but I am aware of the problem which means one can be on the road to victory.

Until I know for sure whether my discernment about spiritual matters is of God,
and until I can get my flesh under my spirit,

Son, this is a going process, meaning it is normal. Would not be fair if you were spared this process!

The only way to distinguish Satan's spiritual light from God's is to diligently search and meditate on the scriptures, pray constantly, have inward holiness, outward righteousness, and look ever upwards.

AMEN!

Since I'm still failing miserably at most of these, I must not teach. I would be a hypocrite - and we know where the hypocrites go.

Reminds me of Paul who wrote in Romans 7: 7-25:
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.
17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?
25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin. (NASB)

I did not recall you have been a Spirit-filled Believer only a year. ...but if you maintain a teachable spirit, you will grow. I do appreciate your insights, they have been helpful.

God bless you, brother!

ginnyrose

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ginnyrose Oct 4, 2007

Lisa,

I checked out this site and it looks very interesting...but I am wondering: are these lessons geared for students from Christian homes or not? My students will likely be from religious homes but not godly ones. Most of the people here are religious but have little use for holiness - they have the knowledge but lack role models or practical teaching in holiness.

Thanks!
ginnyrose

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HopePurifies Oct 4, 2007

I was greatly helped in a retreat by a lesson called
And the Bride Wore White: Seven Secrets to Sexual Purity by Dannah Gresh.
I don't know if I would recommend that book NOW (I don't remember its doctrinal basis) but I remember why I liked it.
The book had several activities that really got you solidifying your desire to be pure. I had been in an immoral relationship for about a year when I attended the retreat. I don't think I ever would have been able to break it off if I hadn't written down that I would promise God to be pure from then on.
It's focus is on WHY you abstain from sexual things and HOW to abstain from sexual things. It's based on Dannah's testmiony, and includes testimonies of other girls. Two cool activities was eating a slice of wedding cake together, and having pretty lotion on our hands (don't know about funds, we had someone bake the wedding cake and we were a small group).
I didn't expect you to do this, but one hurtful things several people say to encourage purity is "If you do sexual things, you're like used bubblegum and good men won't want you". I've heard this about two times (and thats two times too many) from the pulpit or stage.
Anyways, we received cute little gifts home, a china cup, a one pearled necklace, and some "purity" soap. These heirlooms have been very special to me for years after.
I'd skim through it, but its at my other home.

Edit: I do remember another activity now, writing God a love letter? That's cool, I'd tweak it though to make sure people don't get the impression that loving God is about emotional silliness and such. But there is never anything wrong with writing a letter to God.

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ginnyrose Oct 5, 2007

Hope wrote:

And the Bride Wore White: Seven Secrets to Sexual Purity by Dannah Gresh.

Someone else mentioned this book - it must be good. Will look into it..

It's focus is on WHY you abstain from sexual things and HOW to abstain from sexual things.

This is the point I am so interested in: how can one motivate another to pursue moral purity, is the burning question. One can say immorality is sin, but they already know that. So what else can be said and done to drive that point into their spirit where it will become a conviction they will want to keep? This is my earnest concern.

Thanks for the input..
ginnyrose

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