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Roy Hession, The Calvary Road

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rookie Oct 10, 2007

I was listening to a sermon from Charity Christian Fellowship when the preacher read from this book. I just downloaded a copy. Has anyone ever read this book?

In Christ
Jeff

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roaringlamb Oct 10, 2007

It contains some questionable doctrine to say the least.

I would ask you to read the following two articles before reading it-

[url=http://www.oldtruth.com/blog.cfm/id.2.pid.702]The Calvary Road Leads To Confusion[/url]

[url=http://www.oldtruth.com/blog.cfm/id.2.pid.706]Does The Calvary Road Lead To Revival?[/url]

Blessings brother Jeff

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rookie Oct 10, 2007

Brother Patrick,

I read through the first site...this post was writen according to what I read, by a two year old believer.

And this author attributes the teaching of the "second blessing" to this book that was popular in the 1980s.

Just a thought...

Have you read this book?

In Christ
jeff

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Tears_of_joy Oct 10, 2007

rookie wrote:
I was listening to a sermon from Charity Christian Fellowship when the preacher read from this book. I just downloaded a copy. Has anyone ever read this book?

Brother Jeff,

Yes, this book has been such a blessing into my life, I have read it in a difficult times, and the Lord used it to reveal some great truths to me.
If I can describe it by one sentence it would be:
"It focus your eyes to the Lamb of God" Don't hesitate to read it, you will bear much from it.

Here is an older thread:
[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2488&forum=35&start=10&viewmode=flat&order=0]The Calvary Road[/url]

Kire

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rookie Oct 10, 2007

Thank you Kire....

I have read the first two chapters...they are wonderful. I am currently leading a small group in our church and the topic for the course I am teaching is "motivations of the heart." The Scripture I am teaching from is the first chapter of first John and the prayers of Psalm 119.

It is again no coincedence that Hession book fell into my world today. The prayers of Psalm 119 focus on our sin and how we should acknowledge our ways and ask God to solve our problems. And the Psalmist is always asking for more of Him. He is pleading to be filled with understanding and righteousness. And first John is about the joy of fellowship with our Lord Jesus. The first two chapters of Hession's book deals with these two subjects and knits them together in a way I could not put to words as i now can for the small group...

praise the Lord in all times.

God Bless
Jeff

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MSeaman Oct 10, 2007

I started this book, but because of time constraints I haven't finished it. What I read though, I thought was very challenging. I really can't wait for the chance to read the whole book.

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myfirstLove Oct 10, 2007

I've never heard of Roy Hession, but from what you guys are saying makes me want to read it!

Jeff, I like what you said about psalm119. I see it that way too. It is one of my favorite psalms!

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MSeaman Oct 10, 2007

[url=http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/hession/calvary%20road/contents.htm]The Calvary Road online[/url]

I bought my copy at Nancy DeMoss's Revive Our Hearts Conference. but later found it at the link above as well.

RoaringLamb give some good links to read before you read this book. As with anything other than Scripture it is always best to make sure it lines up. Don't take this guy's(Roy Hession) word as Gospel! Take what meat you can, but spit out any bones.

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roaringlamb Oct 10, 2007

Brother Jeff,
I have read it at least twice. Then I would beat myself up to get more of the Spirit, and to be on the highway. I became an ascetic Pharisee who was so worried about falling from grace, and losing my standing with God that I would rarely do anything, even with my wife. All was defiling, or so I thought.

This book became a load of bricks to carry around, and also a means of self righteousness.

Now though by the grace of God I see clearly that I cannot add one iota to the work of Christ on my behalf. I am justified by the work of Another, and this declaration by God is not due to my growth or lack of sanctification.

My main concern with this book is it makes "me" the center of spirituality, and the cause of revival. If all we can do is look within to find the source of spirituality, we are doomed, for if any of you are like me there is nothing but sin and failure that is yet to be worked out.

This is why we look out from self to Christ, and take His life, and trust Him to direct circumstances, and every aspect of life to His glory. You do not need to strive to find things to do when trusting Him, simply live and be amazed at what transpires.

Revival is God's choice to give, and man cannot add or take away from that. Revivalism is man working and cajoling to get God to do something, and then saying He has to because we have dotted all the "i's" and crossed all the "t's".

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MSeaman Oct 10, 2007

Roaring Lamb,
Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us! It is appreciated. I definitely don't need some more bricks to load me down.

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roaringlamb Oct 10, 2007

If I can be used to keep one person off the road I went down, I am blessed, and see the struggle and pain as worthwhile so that I may comfort others with the comfort I have been comforted with.

Christ is really and truly all we need. If we could focus on His work, and His love for us, it will drive us to desire His desires, and His supply to give what He asks, and that is the most difficult part of being a Christian- simply trusting Another One's righteousness because I do not, and cannot have any to boast of before God.

Grace to you sister

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MSeaman Oct 10, 2007

RoaringLamb,
I have to be honest, I struggle daily with trying to figure out holiness and righteousness. I know there is nothing I can do to pay for my salvation or my sins, but am I not supposed to be different after being saved? and is that difference supposed to be something I do or that God does? and where is the balance? does any of that make sense?

Thanks again.

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roaringlamb Oct 10, 2007

Dear sister
I have been in the same boat in which you are in now, and know full well the pain, and confusion, the doubt and despair that comes with it.

But I would lovingly exhort you to grasp the obedience of Christ in your behalf. See that by the deeds of the law, no flesh can be justified, but also see that He was made to be sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

The majority of theology today focuses upon me. Me doing something to prove to God how much I love Him, or warrant His love. Me getting my act together enough to be "a witness" to my neighbors, and on and on and on. We come out from one law to seek to fulfill another.

The Gospel is something that has happened outside of us. Christ died for us and rose again for us, and now sits at the right hand of the Father to intercede for us. Where in this is there anything about us doing?

Unfortunately, the idea of grace alone is a fearful thing to most people. They think that if men are not whipped with the law constantly, they will not go on in sanctification. Yet Paul knew that this argument would come from the Roman people he was writing to, and he says, "shall sin that grace may abound?"

Of course we know his answer, "God forbid" then comes the correction, "do you not know..."

But then look at the focus in that chapter of who has done what, and then what the response should be.

Even to the Corinthian church, Paul says, "ye are carnal, and ye are babes." However he still starts the epistle saying that they are saints, and are sanctified in Christ.

I would encourage you to give a listen to a show called The Whitehorse Inn, it has been a tremendous blessing and help to me, and the great exaltation of Christ and His saving work has become a fortress in which I can find shelter, and I pray the same for you.

[url=www.whitehorseinn.org]White Horse Inn[/url]

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MSeaman Oct 10, 2007

Thank you brother for your encouragement, I will listen.to White Horse Inn.

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rookie Oct 11, 2007

Brother Patrick testified:

I have read it at least twice. Then I would beat myself up to get more of the Spirit, and to be on the highway. I became an ascetic Pharisee


I looked up the definition of one who seeks to be "ascetic."

"somebody who is self-denying and lives with minimal material comforts"

I could see that if you traveled down this road, you would find a burden. I don't know if you meant to write it this way, but you said that you chose to live this way "to get more of the Spirit." If this is what you did, then you are correct in what you found.

However, if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the flesh, well then, this will bring a totally different outcome. God through the Holy Spirit must first speak to you, convicting you of a particular manifestation of sin in your life. Once the Holy Spirit speaks to your spirit then it becomes your choice to obey. In this way alone do we find the freeing power of the gospel which delivers us from the 'old man."

Brother Hession writes on the very first page of the book,

Being broken is both God's work and ours. He brings His pressure to
bear, but we have to make the choice. If we are really open to
conviction as we seek fellowship with God (and willingness for the
light is the prime condition of fellowship with God), God will show
us the expressions of this proud, hard self that cause Him pain.


Hession points out that God is the initiatior of the conviction process. When this event occurs in one's life, it then becomes our choice to obey or disobey.

This is the "process" by which we put to death the deeds of the body. If we do not wait for this "process" we easily fall into what you have described "ascetic pharisism."

Does that make sense?

God Bless
In Christ
Jeff

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rookie Oct 11, 2007


Psa 119:105 Your word [is] a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

Psa 119:130 The entrance of Your words gives light; It gives understanding to the simple.

This is the source of the light which Hession points to when he writes...

"Being broken is both God's work and ours. He brings His pressure to
bear, but we have to make the choice. If we are really open to
conviction as we seek fellowship with God (and willingness for the
light is the prime condition of fellowship with God), God will show
us the expressions of this proud, hard self that cause Him pain."

If we set out without His word, in order to please Him, we will always fail. We fail because we rely on our carnal mind. We will not recognize His voice because we do not hear what the Scriptures say to us.

In Christ
Jeff

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