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WILL WOMEN PREACHERS GO TO HELL?

sermonindex Oct 18, 2007

quote]I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. (1 tim 2:12-14)

Now I'm not saying women aren't able to teach or that men are superior but why are so many women preaching when scripture clearly tells us that it is not ordained by God?

sermonindex Oct 18, 2007

So I take it everyone either supports women not preaching or they're all at a paula white conference and its offering time.....

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PreachParsly Oct 18, 2007

So I take it everyone either supports women not preaching or they're all at a paula white conference and its offering time.....

Or you can take it that no one decided to reply.

Or you can take it no one wants to argue with you.

Or you can take it everyone agrees with you...

Or you can take it that no one wants to join you in causing a stir...

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ccchhhrrriiisss Oct 18, 2007

OR you can take it that not everyone equates such "authority" with mere "sharing," "teaching" or "preaching."

:-(

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Tears_of_joy Oct 18, 2007

pm4Hisglory, welcome to sermonindex!

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sermonindex Oct 18, 2007

Sir I don't want to stir up anything except talk about biblical truths with hopefully biblical people. I just want to know peoples honest opinion and share mine.

sermonindex Oct 18, 2007

Nobody has a biblical backbone anymore b/c they're corrupted with an emotional man centered gospel thats more concerned about being polite and politically correct then submiting to Christ's words that the world will hate you on my account.

WOMEN ARE NOT TO TEACH OR EXCERISE AUTHORITY B/C THE BIBLE SAYS SO, IT IS GOD'S WORD, HE KNOWS BEST AND HAS ORDAINED WOMEN TO EXCEL IN OTHER AREAS THAT MEN AREN'T ORDAINED TO BE IN...... I hope I don't step on any denominational toes, I hope I biblically crush them so God gets the glory in his ordained design.

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hmmhmm Oct 18, 2007

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon [b]all[/b] flesh: and your sons and your [b]daughters[/b] shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

prophesy = G4395

προφητεύω
prophēteúō; fut. prophēteúsō, from prophḗtēs (G4396), prophet. To prophesy.

(I) To foretell things to come (Mat_11:13; Mat_15:7; Mar_7:6; 1Pe_1:10; Jud_1:14); to declare truths through the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit whether by prediction or otherwise (Luk_1:67; Act_2:17-18; Act_19:6; Act_21:9; 1Co_14:1, 1Co_14:3-5; Rev_10:11; Rev_11:3; Sept.: 1Ki_22:12, 1Ki_22:18; Ezr_5:1; Jer_11:21; Joe_2:28). The foretelling or foreannouncing may be, and often is, the responsibility of the prophet, but is not the essence of that office.

(II) To tell forth God's message, hence the noun prophḗtēs (G4396), prophet, is the proclaimer, one who speaks out the counsel of God with the clearness, energy, and authority which spring from the consciousness of speaking in God's name and having received a direct message from Him to deliver. Thus one may prophesy without being a prophet in the strict sense of the word. A prophḗtēs, both in the OT and NT, is not primarily one who foretells things to come, but who (having been taught of God) speaks out His will (Deu_18:18; Is. chap. 1; Jer. chap. 1; Ezek. chap. 2; 1Co_14:3). The art of heathen divination, however, uses the word manteúomai (G3132), to soothsay, divine.

(III) Used once of the high priest, with whose office the gift of prophecy was connected (Joh_11:51).

(IV) As including the idea of praise to God accompanied by prediction (Luk_1:67; Sept.: 1Sa_10:5-6, 1Sa_10:11; 1Sa_19:20-21).

(V) Of false prophets (Mat_7:22; Sept.: Jer_14:14-15).

(VI) Of mockery by the soldiers guarding Jesus, meaning to divine, guess, give a response, with the dat. (Mat_26:68; Mar_14:65; Luk_22:64).

(VII) Specifically of the prophetic gift or chárisma (G5486), charisma, imparted by the Holy Spirit to the early Christians (Act_19:6; Act_21:9; 1Co_11:4-5; 1Co_13:9; 1Co_14:1, 1Co_14:3-5, 1Co_14:24, 1Co_14:31, 1Co_14:39).
Deriv.: prophēteía (G4394), a prophecy.
Syn.: apokalúptō (G601), to reveal; prolégō (G4302), to foretell.

sermonindex Oct 18, 2007

Sir, God is the same yesterday today and forever. So if He ordained the order to be A man over his wife then why would God change that. That verse has nothing to do with women preachers.

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hmmhmm Oct 18, 2007

so you think they cant be a preacher? but can they be prophets then? it seems to me this verse says so....

sermonindex Oct 18, 2007

Sir, God is the same yesterday today and forever. So if He ordained the order to be A man over his wife then why would God change that. That verse has nothing to do with women preachers.

There is a flaw in the very supposition of this thread... having a "preacher", in the sense of a person who stands up on a platform like a rock star every Sunday morning is not biblical.... it is a tradition formed in the Roman Catholic Church System...

I think we should talk about in what ways a women is to speak/instruct/prophecy in a real new testament gathering of believers if we want to avoid the underlying logical fallicy... that is, what a preacher actually is and isn't in the Bible.

In Christ - Jim

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hmmhmm Oct 18, 2007


jimdied2sin wrote:
Sir, God is the same yesterday today and forever. So if He ordained the order to be A man over his wife then why would God change that. That verse has nothing to do with women preachers.

There is a flaw in the very supposition of this thread... having a "preacher", in the sense of a person who stands up on a platform like a rock star every Sunday morning is not biblical.... it is a tradition formed in the Roman Catholic Church System...

I think we should talk about in what ways a women is to speak/instruct/prophecy in a real new testament gathering of believers if we want to avoid the underlying logical fallicy... that is, what a preacher actually is and isn't in the Bible.

In Christ - Jim

This would be interesting discussion, I recently visited a church who had no pastor, they have a plurality of elders and anyone may come forth and share a word and the elders will "intervene" if something is not as it should. And i am beginning to see and search scripture and right now I am getting more convinced that a church lead by one man preacher is not biblical at all

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ccchhhrrriiisss Oct 18, 2007

Hi 2ndcoming (or PM)...

Forgive me if I am wrong, but are you back so soon from becoming "Anonymous?"

My wife is a wise person. She teaches me things from the Word all of the time. She brings that wisdom to light in both "spiritual" and "natural" things. I would respect her opinion far above most of the men that I know. Yet my wife does not exhert "authority" to me; the decision for our family is ultimately my own.

Why can't a woman do the same in a local fellowship or congregation? Is it "authority over a man" to preach, teach or bring light to things from the Word of God? Does teaching, preaching or sharing even make one an "authority" or a "challenge to authority?"

You are more than welcome to an opinion in these matters. You have the liberty to share them. But is it wise to create a divisive conversation by questioning whether or not "women preachers will go to Hell?" That is just plain...disruption.

:-(

sermonindex Oct 18, 2007

Let me clarify: Paul doesn't permit women to be elders/deacons and that is the role of governing and teaching the church. So any kind of leadership position (pastor, deacon, evangelist) is not permitted for women because God has ordained this. Women are used by God but no women has ever wrote a bible book, had an ongoing ministry or was a apostle.. that should settle it. Either God is wrong or you are.

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