badthad
Oct 18, 2007
all the facts lean that way.
all the facts lean that way.
Yeah 9/11 was an organized terrorist attack by our own government for greed and power.... We're fighting the wrong enemy America
it would be good for a "presentation" for these facts..... right now seems to be "loose" accusations....
it would be good for a "presentation" for these facts..... right now seems to be "loose" accusations....
The headline is more of an attention grabber...and loose change isn't really even the best source. The questions are about Norad on the morning of september 11th and the drills they were running of planes hitting similar targets to the pentagon and wtc's, The biggest question I have is about building seven. It was a 47 story building that collapsed in under 7 seconds yet no plane hit it. Many scholars have come out and questioned what brought down the building. Steel doesn't melt until about 2000 degrees F and starts to weaken at around 1200, and the highest estimate for each of the towers was anywhere from 600 to 800 degrees. Most of the Jet Fuel burned off at impact...and if it really was so hot that it melted the steel beams why were people standing in the openings they should have been burned alive. Just questions i wish the government would answer.
just wanted to post it to get some people interested...we need to look in to what's really happening in this country...obviously i can't convince anyone with a thread but maybe some one will get interested and look into it for themselves.
Why would someone do such a thing badthud??
Governments have always used fear to control their people...Hitler in 1933 used the reichstag fire to pass laws to start stripping away civil liberties, In 1962 joint chiefs of staff sent a proposal to Robert McNamara called operation northwoods...you should google that (It's not a conspiracy...it was picked up by abc news and came from the national archives) In which the joint chiefs proposed that to get into a war with cuba we should do terrorist attacks inside the united states in Miami and Washington D.C., A "Remeber the Maine" type incident and funerals for soldiers they said would give us the popular support to invade. Look at what's happened since 9-11, they've passed the patriot act, signed executive orders that would declare martial law in the united states, They use the fear of that day to get us to relinquish freedoms so they have control. Get us to support wars which have nothing to do with bin laden because of 9-11. They make billions upon billions of war...and they increase their control daily.
Hi badthad...
No offense, but this is one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories that I have ever heard.
You might want to really take a look at the evidence -- including the videos of the terrorists as they stepped onto the planes, and the taped confessions of each of these terrorists while still in Al Quaeda training camps.
Why are we more willing to believe a conspiracy theory rather than the plain and simple facts?
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no offense taken...im not trying to say what exactly happened...and im not saying they didn't get on the planes...but i would like the government to do another investigation on what really happened. If the evidence proves im wrong ill accept it but ive studied it for a while andthis seems to have weight. wtc 1 and 2 collapsed in under 10 seconds and wtc 7 in under 7 seconds. When i first heard these ideas i nearly cursed at the person who told them to me...but then i looked into it. I understand how ya feel, just posting this to get some more people to look into it...in the grand scheme of things even if the government was invovled in 9-11 it doesn't compare to christ and his glory...thanks for the post :-)
Hi badthad...
Evidence? What evidence do you need to disprove a conspiracy theory that didn't happen? Are you implying that since one much shorter building (Tower 7) fell down faster than two taller building (Towers 1 & 2), then this implies that the United States Government conspired to kill all of these people? This is a very, very dangerous thing to do.
I believe that you're "connecting dots" that don't even belong on the same page. There certainly was a conspiracy. But the United States Government was not involved. Have you seen the "paper trail" that links Al Quaeda to 9/11? That is REAL evidence. There are videos produced YEARS before 9/11 where the militant Muslim terrorists stated explicitly what they were planning. They kept DIARIES that illustrated their plan.
To insist that the United States was behind it is simply unthinkable even for the most wildly imaginative minds. This is not only a conspiracy theory -- but a very poor one at that.
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BTW, if you really want to know about the events leading into and immediately following 9/11, I recommend Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist Bob Woodward's book [i]Bush At War
just wanted to post it to get some people interested...we need to look in to what's really happening in this country...obviously i can't convince anyone with a thread but maybe some one will get interested and look into it for themselves.
... we need to look into what's really happening in our hearts. Paul did not write about Roman goverment conspiracy theories, we would do better to weep then talk about such usless things. Keep our minds on things above where we are seated with Christ.
In Him - Jim
wtc 1/2 and 7, i was talking about the way in which they fell, and how each of them fell so quickly...i've listened and read professors who say that it was impossible for each building to fall the way it did and so quickly...im not saying that al quaeda wasn't involved and those men didn't hijack those planes, but that there are some legitimate questions of what happened. I mostly put the thread up, threw a few cookies out there so that people would look it up. As far as Al Quaeda, we did support the mujahadean (i think that's how you spell it) and Osama Bin Laden. If you look into some of the mainstream news report and put them together...there are shady links between the cia and al quaeda. I just doubt the official story and would like an indpendent investigation. We could post all day about it, but i just encourage people too look it up. again thaks for the post. :-)
just because someone has questions about what's happening doesn't mean there's a problem in their heart. Like I said earlier, in light of christ everything is dust and compared to him and his glory nothing matters. And the only thing which which matters in the end are his glory and souls. True Paul never talked about these sort of "conspiracy theories", but he also never talked of most of the modern day things which we have. I'm sure you've talked about a presidental race before or a if certain laws should be in place etc. or maybe even something as useless as a football game. God didn't call us to be ignorant of the things around us and just coast through life never confronting issues in the world. Your post seems as though looking into truth around us is useless. You could say the same thing that reading anything but the bible is because we have a problem in our hearts. True, everything compared to the bible is dust, but you still need to bring it into perspective a bit.
God didn't call us to be ignorant of the things around us and just coast through life never confronting issues in the world.
Amen brother, its like Christians want dig a hole in the ground and stick they're heads in a hole. No evangelism, no truth, just t shirts, bumper stickers, and 'oh well I can't judge that'.
Moderator? I really don't think this topic is proper for this forum.
Hi badthad...
Truth? What truth are you talking about? All that you are bringing is assumption that amounts to conspiracy theories. There are NO DIRECT LINKS between the events of 9/11 and the US Government.God didn't call us to be ignorant of the things around us and just coast through life never confronting issues in the world. Your post seems as though looking into truth around us is useless.
Brother, we really need to be careful about searching for conspiracies and articulating those theories in a place reserved for a discussion of truth for God's people. The times are dire -- and not because of the government. The times are bad because there is a dying world out there that doesn't know Jesus Christ.
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By the way, there were some independent panels that looked into the events of 9/11. Guess what? They all (more or less) agreed with one another.
we also have never been to the moon, lee harvey oswalt had an accomplice ("back and to the left"), and oh yeah, Pearl Harbor didn't happen either. Get real.
Amen brother, its like Christians want dig a hole in the ground and stick they're heads in a hole. No evangelism, no truth, just t shirts, bumper stickers, and 'oh well I can't judge that'.
Like I said... let us examine our hearts.
No matter which way you look at it, America is going down! Just like the towers.
I really believe God allowed our overseas enemies to hit us where it hurts. I keep thinking of Genesis 11 and the tower of babel, where they built a monument to show the world there greatness.
Listen to "The Towers Have Fallen but We Missed the Message" by David Wilkerson. He really sheds some light on it.
hopefully you wake up from the little cubby hole you've dug yourself into where bush is good, questioning is bad and to even suggest a REAL INDEPENDENT investigation of the past is crazy. You already are conspiracy nuts...you think that eventually there will be a one world government where an antichrist will rise to power, everyone will get a mark...to buy or sell, then he'll kill most of the christians and Jesus will come back. You believe the truth of the bible that one world government will take over, yet you'll keep yourselves blind to anything that happens around you. Very similar to what happened in NAZI GERMANY. Well, all I can say is I hope you wake up and actually look around you...maybe watch the matrix...it's a good allegory of swallowing everything your told. good day. 8-)
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