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ChrisJD Oct 21, 2007

Hi everyone.


I thought it would be good to be in rememberance of the way in which the adversary may try to distract us or lead us away from seeking the Lord this coming week.

James writes:


"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work."


Isn't it the work of the enemy to [b]stir up[/b] strife among believers?


James seems to indicate here, that the wisdom that is characterized? by envy and strife is


earthly, sensual, devilish.

I realise that there is a proper time and place for contending for the truth.

But what time and in what place are we now here?


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Chris,

Your thoughts are right in line with an extract from Austin Sparks which Mike Balog posted in the thread called 'Is SI under spiritual attack?'

I hope you'll have time to go and read the angles he presents.

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ChrisJD Oct 21, 2007

Dorcas, I started to read that earlier but didn't finish. I'll try to get back to it.


I pray the Lord will protect us, our hearts and minds especially, from the wiles of the Devil.

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ChrisJD wrote:
Dorcas, I started to read that earlier but didn't finish. I'll try to get back to it.

Ah, you need to read it, and so does everyone else! I'll post it here for those who missed it:


[b]The Strategic Value of Watchfulness[/b]

Here I do feel, dear friends, that you and I will have to do what Nehemiah did, and what the Apostle in this very portion exhorts us to do: "Set a watch"; "watching thereunto," because, as you notice in both connections, it is the wiles of the devil which are in view. They are the subtle activities of the enemy, and to set a watch against the wiles of the devil in practical outworking will, at least in one direction, mean this: that we make quite sure that the rumours which we hear and the reports that come to us are absolutely trustworthy. We must make quite sure - "prove all things". We can be divided by a rumour, and split up by a report. We can be set at variance or apart by a mere insinuation. In these days, when the atmosphere is surcharged with fear and suspicion, you have only to hint at the possibility of someone being 'unsound' and a spiritual breach of fellowship is created and a gap made. If only we set a watch and made sure, we would find that a great deal of that was unnecessary and unwarranted, and represented a great loss to the Lord Himself and to His people, for when we get really to close grips and sift these things we find there is nothing in them, or, if there is anything in them, they have an explanation and we cannot fail, in all honesty of heart, to accept that as being right. That is very often how it works out.

But, oh! to set a watch against these wiles of the devil! His methods of breaking up the corporate life of the Lord's people are beyond our power to enumerate, and that is where prayer and watching are necessary. Prayer should result in intelligence about the wiles of the enemy, and 'watching unto prayer' is watching and praying that you might discover in prayer what it is the enemy is after and how he is working.

We do not want to be obsessed with the enemy, always to have our eyes on him, but we must recognize the facts as they are, and those facts are that throughout these almost two millenniums the enemy has made it his great business unceasingly to destroy the fellowship of the people of God. Is that true? Is that history? If it is true, what does it signify? That you can never have something that really in any measure represents what is precious to the Lord, something of a spiritual character, embodying some precious element of His testimony, but what it is the object of satanic malignity and cunning which has the one intention of splitting that thing, breaking it up, and getting schism and division there somehow, by truth or by lies. That is history, and surely it gives the whole game away, that a Church in fellowship, a Body rightly adjusted and related, moving together in the will of God, is the greatest menace to the spiritual rule of principalities and powers that there is in the universe.

So it is that to which we should work and direct our attention. Let us lay ourselves out for spiritual fellowship! That does not mean compromising with things which are contrary to the Word of God, and must not mean coming down from any spiritual position to which the Lord has, through cost, brought us. We must be where Nehemiah was when his enemies said, 'Come down and let us discuss this matter. We must confer about this.' Nehemiah said: "I am doing a great work so that I cannot come down." There must be no coming down to discuss things that are beyond the point of discussion as to spiritual necessity. But, dear friends, any spiritual position arrived at through cost and the deep in-working of the cross must be held only in relation to all the saints. It must not be held out of relation to the saints, nor must those who have it and hold it be made something apart from the rest. No! Whatever may be the difference of spiritual position so far as degree is concerned, fellowship with all saints must be striven after and maintained as far as possible, and it must be reached out for. I do want to urge that upon you more and more, as it is urged upon my own heart, because the Lord's end in giving light and truth may be defeated if the reception of it and the holding of it constitutes those who have it as being something apart from the rest of the saints. He has given it for the Body; if it is held apart, then the end for which He gave it has been missed. Lay that to heart very definitely!

So the occasion of the conflict is the Church, by reason of its heavenly calling and vocation. This is no personal thing, nor local thing: it is universal. The Body of Christ is a universal reality.

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9715&forum=35&start=10&viewmode=flat&order=1]In Touch with the Throne[/url]
[i]T. Austin-Sparks[/i]



I pray the Lord will protect us, our hearts and minds especially, from the wiles of the Devil.

Amen! And that we will also stand on guard,


8[b]Be sober, be vigilant;[/b] because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

9[b]Whom resist stedfast in the faith,[/b] knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

10But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

11[b]To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.[/b]

1 Peter 5:8-11

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ChrisJD Oct 21, 2007

"Ah, you need to read it..."


:-)

"...we must recognize the facts as they are, and those facts are that throughout these almost two millenniums the enemy has made it his great business unceasingly to destroy the fellowship of the people of God. Is that true? Is that history? If it is true, what does it signify? That you can never have something that really in any measure represents what is precious to the Lord, something of a spiritual character, embodying some precious element of His testimony, but what it is the object of satanic malignity and cunning which has the one intention of splitting that thing, breaking it up, and getting schism and division there somehow, by truth or by lies. That is history, and surely it gives the whole game away, that a Church in fellowship, a Body rightly adjusted and related, moving together in the will of God, is the greatest menace to the spiritual rule of principalities and powers that there is in the universe."

"We must be where Nehemiah was when his enemies said, 'Come down and let us discuss this matter. We must confer about this.' Nehemiah said: "I am doing a great work so that I cannot come down." There must be no coming down to discuss things that are beyond the point of discussion as to spiritual necessity."

Now that sounds like a word for us all, who are minded to seek our God.


'"I am doing a great work so that I cannot come down."'

Selah

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hmmhmm Oct 21, 2007

I needed to read this!

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ccchhhrrriiisss Oct 21, 2007

Thank you, brother! I needed this too.

:-)

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ChrisJD Oct 21, 2007

This following was taken from something that brother Greg posted [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20173&forum=16&2]Here[/url]


"Satan sentinels the gateway of prayer. Andrew Bonar has left it on record that he never entered into a season of pure prayer without a fierce battle at the threshold. Satan dreads nothing like prayer. He knows he cannot frighten saints with hideous features, or overcome them by coarse enticement. He stands at the portals of the Holy of Holies as an “angel of light.” He does not openly attack; he diverts."

"He does not openly attack; he diverts."

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These verses come to mind. We need to learn to ignore his insinuations, that we do not fall into condemnation. Not only the past, but this last minute can be a failure from which we must rise and go on rejoicing in our Saviour.


Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.


Zechariah 3
1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him.
2 And the LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan!

The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! [i]Is[/i] this not a brand plucked from the fire?"
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the Angel.
4 Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, "Take away the filthy garments from him." And to him He said, "See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes."
5 And I said, "Let them put a clean turban on his head." So they put a clean turban on his head, and they put the clothes on him. And the Angel of the LORD stood by.

That is, the Angel of the Lord was standing beside Satan? Satan is bent on pursuing his own cause, despite God's overwhelming greaterness.

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crsschk Oct 21, 2007

earthly, sensual, devilish.

The world, the flesh and ...

I realise that there is a proper time and place for contending for the truth.
But what time and in what place are we now here?

Well stated and a great observation brother ... Hesitating to speak at all in these days, much anguish of spirit ...

[i]strife[/i]

Certainly the 'stirring up', there is no doubt and yet ... the responsibility, the reparations, the repentance for the ramifications.

Remorse
Regret

Reconciliation.

Ah, it's not cleverness, am very much just broken up. 'Pathos' that word Katz so adequately elucidated comes to mind. The intensity this past week, [i]warfare[/i] ... The lies, in this fallen head, the oddly termed 'friendly fire' ... things needing to be addressed, due to strife and yet the poor handling of even that, the effort to somehow keep the peace and still shoot them down, 'smiting the rock'.

It is woeful. I repent of it, beg forgiveness ... Reparations are in order, somehow.

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hmmhmm Oct 21, 2007

Psa 80:1 Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth.

2 Before Ephraim and Benjamin and Manasseh stir up thy strength, and come and save us.

3 Turn us again, O God, and cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.

4 O LORD God of hosts, how long wilt thou be angry against the prayer of thy people?

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14 Return, we beseech thee, O God of hosts: look down from heaven, and behold, and visit this vine;

19 Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.

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crsschk said

Ah, it's not cleverness, am very much just broken up. 'Pathos' that word Katz so adequately elucidated comes to mind. The intensity this past week, warfare ... The lies, in this fallen head, the oddly termed 'friendly fire' ... things needing to be addressed, due to strife and yet the poor handling of even that, the effort to somehow keep the peace and still shoot them down, 'smiting the rock'.

It is woeful. I repent of it, beg forgiveness ... Reparations are in order, somehow.

Put it all down to experience and keep moving on. Let's just stick together, bro, as well as we can.

This gathering is going to be an awesome display of Christian men and women focusing on God together. I do feel it is very much for the men... I don't know why... but that sense has been with me for a long time. Now, this hymn came to me, (and another for the preparing our hearts thread).

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\tThe Church's one foundation
\tIs Jesus Christ her Lord;
\tShe is His new creation
\tBy water and the Word.
\tFrom heaven He came and sought her
\tTo be His holy bride;
\tWith His own blood He bought her,
\tAnd for her life He died.

\tElect from every nation,
\tYet one o'er all the earth;
\tHer charter of salvation,
\tOne Lord, one faith, one birth;
\tOne holy name she blesses,
\tPartakes one holy food,
\tAnd to one hope she presses,
\tWith every grace endued.

\tThough with a scornful wonder
\tWe see her sore oppressed,
\tBy schisms rent asunder,
\tBy heresies distressed,
\tYet saints their watch are keeping;
\tTheir cry goes up, "How long?"
\tAnd soon the night of weeping
\tShall be the morn of song.

\tMid toil and tribulation,
\tAnd tumult of her war,
\tShe waits the consummation
\tOf peace for evermore;
\tTill, with the vision glorious,
\tHer longing eyes are blest,
\tAnd the great Church victorious
\tShall be the Church at rest.

\tYet she on earth hath union
\tWith God the Three in One,
\tAnd mystic sweet communion
\tWith those whose rest is won.
\tO happy ones and holy!
\tLord, give us grace that we
\tLike them, the meek and lowly,
\tOn high may dwell with Thee.

[i]Text: Samuel J. Stone, 1839-1900
Music: Samuel Sebastian Wesley, 1810-1876[/i]


Tune: Aurelia
[url=http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh545.sht]http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh545.sht[/url]


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