Resurrection, Then the Rapture

Resurrection Then The Rapture
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The vast majority of churches, and Christian Ministries teach the doctrine of a Pre-tribulation "rapture". This doctrine is not biblical, and is clearly a false, and deceptive doctrine, causing a false sense of security to the believer. The following scripture clearly teaches something else.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

\tIn the two main scriptures concerning the "rapture" of the Church, it is clearly stated that the dead believers will be raised FIRST.
1TH. 4:16 and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

1 Cor. 15:52 and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

The event preceding the "rapture" is clearly the resurrection of the Saints, which is documented in Revelation 20:4. In Rev. 20:25b the event being discussed is called the FIRST RESURRECTION. Verse 20:4 talks about the "beast" of Revelation 13, clearly indicating the souls represented here at the FIRST RESURRECTION have been in the great tribulation, thus a pre-trib rapture is a false teaching as the "rapture" happens after this resurrection.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

To further illustrate this point, Martha, in John 11:24 speaks of this resurrection to Jesus, and calls it "the resurrection at the last day" further indicating an event long after tribulation has begun.

Joh 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

There are only two resurrections spoken of in the scripture, this one immediately preceding the Millennium, and a second one to follow the 1000 year millennium as stated in Revelation 20:5.

Blessings Greg Dagg October 26/2007

hi Smokey ,You are right to use the word unbiblical,just wrong application.
Posttrib is unbiblical for many reasons.
noah
the 10virgins
the marriage supper
the whitehorses
not to mention antichrist kills almost all the christians[who is left for the rapture?]

The false sense of security falls on the post trib side because,remember, hes not comming.......no need to be ready.

.....David

Smokey wrote:
This doctrine is not biblical, and is clearly a false, and deceptive doctrine, causing a false sense of security to the believer.

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This teaching comes from Dispensationalism - a theory which originated with J. N. Darby. Darby was one of the founders of Brethrenism. However, he split with this group to found the Exclusive Brethren, a cult-like group who reject all those who don't hold to Darby's teaching.

The teaching was Americanised through C. I. Scofield, a disciple of James H. Brooks, through whose church Darby propagated his theory of Dispensationalism during his visits to America.

Although Darby's theory of Dispensationalism was rejected in British churches on the grounds of being unbiblical and containing serious error, it seemed to flourish in the USA through Scofield and his disciple Dr. Chafer (Dallas Theological Seminary). It was through Chafer’s Seminary that Dispensationalism spread to many of the American churches, and is sadly, today, accepted without question by many undiscerning believers.

It is indeed a false and deceptive teaching and is now wide-spread in the USA thoughout many denominations. Whilst the British churches rejected dispensationalism in the past, it is again being introduced here through a handful of American fundamentalist missionary-preachers.

Some of the best reading on this subject is found in [i]Backgrounds to Dispensationalism[/i] - Clarence B. Bass; [i]Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth[/i] – John H. Gerstner; and [i]The Millennium[/i] – Loraine Boettner.

Greeting to you from Wales.

I am a bit surprised by the lack of response to this post. Am I to believe almost no one here cares that most of our "shepherds" are teaching false doctrine?

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Blessings Greg :-o

smokey,hi maybe most of the bretheren on si agree with you.
I have ' discussed' this many times and it is always the same outcome.
It would however be refreshing if more posttribs would follow the example of IRONMAN.
you can archive this.
He takes the unusual road[for a posttrib] of refraining from;
namecalling
tim lahaye
some girl in1843
accusations of falsedoctines
and like you,accusing people like me of not being saved
and like you accusing me of bringing damnable herisies.
which is the equivalent of saving even sold out saints are not saved due to your personal curse.

I think the bretheren targeted and the accusers are growing weary of your tactics.

If I were secure in my position why would i need to resort to 'trashing my opponent'

.......David

David

Please, please please show me where I trashed anybody, or called anybody names.

"I think the bretheren targeted and the accusers are growing weary of your tactics."

"If I were secure in my position why would i need to resort to 'trashing my opponent'"

MY TACTICS are merely to point out the error of this doctrine, and are we not called to "trash our opponent"? I am only aware of having one opponent, surely brother you can't be against exposing biblical error when it is so blatent?

Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil , and he will flee from you.

Blessings Greg

The event preceding the "rapture" is clearly the resurrection of the Saints, which is documented in Revelation 20:4. In Rev. 20:25b the event being discussed is called the FIRST RESURRECTION. Verse 20:4 talks about the "beast" of Revelation 13, clearly indicating the souls represented here at the FIRST RESURRECTION have been in the great tribulation, thus a pre-trib rapture is a false teaching as the "rapture" happens after this resurrection.

Smokey,

I have a question. How do you explain in Revelation 11, the two witnesses being raised from the dead long before Revelation 20?

Correction made here: Jude 14-

How do you explain the Saints returning with Jesus Christ in Jude 14/ not Revelation 14, long before Revelation 20?

Jude 14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

thus a pre-trib rapture is a false teaching as the "rapture" happens after this resurrection.

I can't imaging a rapture happening [u]after[/u] any resurrection. What would be the purpose?

1 Corinthians 15 give the order:

Christ the first fruit,

Those who are His at His coming,(Rapture)

[u]Then[/u]the Kingdom,for He must Reign til He has put all enemies under Him,the last emeny is death/or the final overthrow of Satan.
That last enemy Satan, will be bound for 1000 years, set loose for a while and then his final judgement. This will be the time of the resurrection of the dead to face judgement along with Satan and the fallen angels.

Only after these events will there be a New Heaven and Earth where there is no more death.

Blessings to you all,

R.G. Benjamin

I think this whole matter hangs on the fact whether people follow the teachings of J. N. Darby/C. I. Scofield or not (i.e. Dispensationalism). For one, I do not. Their teachings are unbiblical and have been proven so without question.

Once we adopt the teachings of men and neglect the truth of Holy Scripture we can be sure to run into grave error and read scripture through spectacles of deception. Undoubtedly Darby and Scofield's teaching are extra biblical and, therefore, unbiblical.

It point is, are we READY to met the Lord when He returns to gather His elect from the four corners of the earth? The Apostle John tells us how to be ready.

“These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.”
1 John 2:26-3:3

We need to get out eyes OFF dispensationalism and ONTO Jesus by looking off from ALL things unto Him, the Author and Finisher of faith.

We are warned in Scripture to avoid the doctrines of men, yet it seems to me few pay heed to these warnings.

smokey, hi again,to whom are you referring when you quoted the following?

......teaching false doctrine

Teachers.........damnable herisies......

.....false teachers.....

......pernicious ways......

.............the way of truth shall be evil spoken of

.........False deceptive doctrine

These are your words and by implication , again,who are you referring to?

And in you latest post can i connect 'opponent' and 'resist the devil' to myself?

I certainly hope not!

I think I see why this subect is defunct. We must wade through the mire to get to the debate.

you are not my opponent.
we have opposing views
you are my Brother

Do you also dissagree that i am YOUR brother?

I would hope that I am

....David

RevBenjamin

In response to your post.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and a half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Joh 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
Joh 11:44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Mat 9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mat 9:25 But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose.

Luk 7:14 And he came and touched the bier: and they that bare him stood still. And he said, Young man, I say unto thee, Arise.
Luk 7:15 And he that was dead sat up, and began to speak. And he delivered him to his mother.

As you know, there are several other instances where the dead came back to life. However this is not a resurrection, but is just as Rev. 11:11 states, for reasons only God knows, the Spirit of life from God enters them, and they stand on their feet.

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

There is no time line on this verse, it could referring to the time at the end of the millennium as refered to in Rev:20:7-8

Book of Enoch
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The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be
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living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.

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And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. "

(EDIT: I do not contend that the book of Enoch has the same authority as scripture, I merely use this example to clarify my answer.)

Again there is no timeline on this, but seems to refer to the same event as in Jude.

You are right in regards to 1 Cor. 15. Jesus is truly the first fruit, being the first to be resurrected. Then those that are His at His coming, which is exactly what 1 Th: 4-16d-17a state.
"and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up"

As to why God chooses to do it this way, I do not know, all I know is that is how He SAYS he will do it, and I don't think it really matters if it makes "sense" to us or not.

Blessings Greg ;-)

Smokey,

I appreciate your response here, with scripture.

I know the word Rapture is not used in scripture, but the word translate is, as was used with Enoch and Elijah.

So, the possibility of the Church being translated out before the wrath of God comes to the wicked is not something that would have to happen [u]after[/u] the first resurrection. What would be the purpose? That was my question.

Enoch may very well represent those who will be translated out.

Immediately after the translation of Enoch, came the wrath of God upon all flesh in the flood, except for Noah and his family. Noah and his family could very well represent those saved during the tribulation period, to replenish the earth during the time of the Millennial Reign of Christ.

Blessings to all,

R.G. Benjamin

Dear saints
Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose BLood we are Saved.AMEN.

bro David as you know, you and i don't agree on this matter but more than that, it is not a thing over which we have to break fellowship. Our Lord will do as He sees fit and will set us straight. You have brought up the parable of the 10 virgins in support of your view, and i was wondering what you would make of this one in luke 12:

[u][b]35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. [/b][/u][b]39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut F33 him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.[/b]

i have some questions which i hope someone may help me answer:

1)how come some of the servants aren't at the wedding?
2)at the wedding the master is served but upon His return home, He serves those who are waiting up for Him?
3)who are those who are then given charge over the Master's House because when He returns, He finds them doing what He asked them to do?

if we get caught up before the trib it's all good, but if we are to go through it and we are instead expecting to be caught up then we may have a problem.

we will very soon know when the day of our catching away is. Art Katz said that part of this notion has to do with Israel existing as nation and our erroneous view that this is the Israel of God when it isn't. He proposed, and i concur, that when Israel fails, the pre-tib rapture fails with it. When Israel is again cast out into the nations, we won't be able to say any more that the time is near because we have to await Israel's resettlement per Ezekiel 36. a careful reading of that chapter will let us know that Israel now isn't the Israel of God which we look at as a sign of our leaving this place as being imminent. in the advent of that crisis in the Faith, we will know what manner of Christian we are in our response to it. May we not be weighed on the scales and found wanting.

Grace and PEace are ours in JEsus.AMEN.

bro Benjamin
Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

you said:

Enoch may very well represent those who will be translated out.

you know bro, before we get all happy about Enoch being translated out of here we need to consider what manner of man he was before God that God would so do. do you think you walk as closely to God as Enoch did, or as Elijah did? i ask myself the same question and know i'm not close...Enoch walked with God, not since Adam's time in the garden was such said of any man, do you know what sort of relationship that must have been like? if you're there, God bless you and i have hope that i shall be that close to God.

Immediately after the translation of Enoch, came the wrath of God upon all flesh in the flood, except for Noah and his family. Noah and his family could very well represent those saved during the tribulation period, to replenish the earth during the time of the Millennial Reign of Christ.

Enoch was long gone before Methuselah died. Enoch was 65 when he had methuselah and we know methuselah lived 969 years, longer than anyone else ever did. After Methuselah died, the flood came. Methuselah apparently means "when he dies, it shall come" speaking of the Judgment of God, the length of time between his birth and death is God's Grace period. to use Noah's ark as sign of the rapture i think is dangerous because Noah wasn't saved "from" Judgment as much as he was saved through it and the 2 are different. Noah wasn't caught up like Enoch, Noah heard the screams of those people as the drowned...

it is my belief that the Grace of God is sufficient for us even in the day that He pours out His Wrath, God isn't careless, we will not suffer His Wrath "by mistake", God don't say "oops, my bad didn't mean to zap you" Even when Israel was Judged, Daniel was carried off into captivity in babylon, Ezekiel was also a prisoner and these men are models of Righteousness as God Himself says of Daniel that righteous as he was, he couldn't save his family, not even 1 soul beside himself.

it is also my belief that in adversity is when the truth of what we are comes out, how we handle difficulty shows us how much God has influence in our lives, if we fear adversity, we probably haven't walked with God long/closely enough to know that His Grace is sufficient so we would rather skip the test...if i'm wrong then i'll get caught up too so it's cool, if you're wrong though, there'll be more to eat than crow...you'll have to get in tight with God like never before coz people around you will leave the Faith left and right coz it's too hard...

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.

IRONMAN

In response to your first question "how come some of the servents aren't at the wedding", has anyone noticed that only the myrtered Saints are said to be resurrected in Rev.20:4??

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This might explain that>>

Blessings Greg

IRONMAN,greetings to you also. The part that says'......looketh not for him............and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers'
He is speaking of his servants.Or believers.
to me this cannot be a post-trib because it would place this event in with Jesus comming with the white horses.
we know from rev. that the wedding proceeds the white horses
As always bro. i enjoy your discussions. you are a man of the word.

...David

bro David
Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

you said:

IRONMAN,greetings to you also. The part that says'......looketh not for him............and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers'

i am aware of that part, the thing is though He is talking of believers who aren't walking the walk. Note that He says "those servants", perhaps these are those who have knowledge of GOd but deny the power thereof? i was homing in on those servants who were found waiting for Him that He then asks to recline at the table and then He serves them, who are those ones?

i'm not bringing this up for support of the post trib view but curious as to how you view this since it mentions the master and a wedding which He comes back from to His servants.

indeed we know that the wedding precedes the horses but at the same time, if millions (perhaps of believers) can be transformed in the twinling of an eye, i don't think the wedding requires 7 yrs for us to be up there at it, time doesn't pass in the same way in Heaven as it does on earth all the time. The Wedding Feast of the Lamb as the LAmb Himself was, is and is to come.

as always bro your heart comes through and i bless God for your contributions wherever i read them for i hear His Voice in them.

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.

Greetings to you Ironman,

you know bro, before we get all happy about Enoch being translated out of here we need to consider what manner of man he was before God that God would so do.

I believe him to be a man who had a personal relationship with God. It says of Enoch that he walked with God and in Hebrews 11:5 that he pleased God.

I hope everyone that confesses themselves to be Christians ( Disciples of Christ) do indeed have a personal intimate relationship with the Lord.

Anything less would only be religion.

As Christ is in me, and I in Christ, I can see no closer relationship imaginable. Jesus said in John 11:14 & 15 ...I do not call you servants, but *friends*.

As we are the Body of Christ, I believe in Ephesians 5, His Bride(His Church) we can find no closer relationship ever in the history of all eternity and all humanity, who have received the gift of His Grace, His very Life given to us as He laid down His life for us from the foundation of the world.

Yes Brother, I have greatly considered these things. My question to you is, have you?

to use Noah's ark as sign of the rapture i think is dangerous because Noah wasn't saved "from" Judgment as much as he was saved through it and the 2 are different. Noah wasn't caught up like Enoch, Noah heard the screams of those people as the drowned...

I don't believe I used Noah as a sigh of Rapture, but suggested a type of those saved during the tribulation period.

Noah was certainly saved from the judgment God pronounced upon all flesh. Noah and his family were not judged...but saved.

it is also my belief that in adversity is when the truth of what we are comes out, how we handle difficulty shows us how much God has influence in our lives, if we fear adversity, we probably haven't walked with God long/closely enough to know that His Grace is sufficient so we would rather skip the test..

Adversity is and has always been the mark of a true Christian regardless of when he walked upon the earth...from our brother Abel to those going through adversity today.

Now I ask you, if you have submitted to adversity from the moment of your New Birth, aren't you now finding His grace is sufficient? Aren't you now partaking of the fellowship of His sufferings? Those words were written nearly 2000 years ago by the Apostles, for Christians throughout the centuries, not kept in store for the tribulation period.

I don't believe the problem here is Christians being translated out before the wrath of God, but a peculiar understanding of our life as Christians.

If your only objective is suffering Christians may want to escape, my conclusion is any Christian at any time through out the Centuries who want to escape adversity have walked away from the true faith.

Jesus taught adversity to those who are His. The Sermon on the Mount also taught adversity.

I just don't understand your logic here.

Blessings to you,
R.G. Benjamin

IRONMAN,i do ,like you wonder about the 7 year period..It appears that the wrath of God is not poured out untill the last half of the tribulation period.
For now I am pre=trib and am assuming that position. I do feel that I am as ready as I will ever be should I go through the tribulation.
It appears to me either is awesome to the sold out bretheren.

Especially those 2 witnesses with fire comming out of their mouths.

....David

bro Ben
Greetings in JEsus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

indeed anything less than relationship is religion. That we have a close relationship with Christ as His Bride is a Mighty thing and indeed i have sought God on these things as i know you have. However as the Bride, this brings to mind some things about the Husband-wife relationship. i hope that we as Christians love Him enough to endure whatever must be endured on this side. That He suffered such a brutal death testifies to me that such may be required of us and so like JEsus asked JOhn and James, are we willing to drink of that same cup?Such deaths haven't ceased, the happen in China, India, Muslim nations, in Africa, all over the place and we may well be visited with such suddenly. The Bride is also concerned for her Husband's affairs, how concerned are we for His Righteousness, His Favour and to be more like Him?i fear that many of us though being married to Him aren't chaste nor as concerned with His affairs as we ought to be.

indeed Noah wasn't Judged, but he was there to see it and hear it all around him as he was in the ark. i see that as a sign not of rapture in the sense of getting out but being preserved by God in the midst of it all.

Now I ask you, if you have submitted to adversity from the moment of your New Birth, aren't you now finding His grace is sufficient? Aren't you now partaking of the fellowship of His sufferings? Those words were written nearly 2000 years ago by the Apostles, for Christians throughout the centuries, not kept in store for the tribulation period.

i have and am. i am however concerned that some of us limit the suffering to what we endure every day in scourn, ridicule, mistreatment and neglect the physical brutality which often comes with the enemy's attack. The first few are perhaps a bit easier to deal with, but physical pain is another matter. i have found His Grace to be sufficient so much so that i believe it to be sufficient even in the face of such physical torture, it is proven sufficient each day in the stories of the martyrs who die daily for Him and whose stories are recorded. i fear that perhaps we have come to a place where we think that the physical aspect of it may not come to us so if it does, we may be found unprepared or unexpecting it.

I don't believe the problem here is Christians being translated out before the wrath of God, but a peculiar understanding of our life as Christians.

what do you mean bro?

If your only objective is suffering Christians may want to escape, my conclusion is any Christian at any time through out the Centuries who want to escape adversity have walked away from the true faith.

true this has happened.but like you said, adversity has always been the way to prove the Faith, my thing is what if the tribulation period is a time of trying of our Faith to see what sort of Faith it is? it's not that God will pour out judgment on us, we know it is reserved for the enemy, however, the enemy will retaliate against Saints of God and that is the persecution i am thinking will be used to try our Faith in an Ultimate way beyond what we would have endured till then. in the Revelation the word says that the beast went and made war with the Saints of God in Rev 13. who are these Saints? The ones who are martyred in this period along with those who have killed for Him in times past, the ones who didn't take the mark nor worship the beast are those who are found worthy to rule with Him 1000 yrs per Rev 20. Maybe these are those servants that are found waiting for Him when He comes back from the wedding?it is said of them that He puts them in charge of His house?

perhaps some things to consider?

either way i do believe we will find out soon enough and so if i am wrong i'll soon know and repent of it and leave the matter alone. if you're wrong and we find ourselves here what will you do? that's what really matter to me i suppose, what will you do?

Grace and PEace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.
Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.