davym said
As for dorcas' icon David, I think it's a picture of the crucifixion, but I could be wrong.
That's right, but because it is so small, I can see how David perceived it (though I'd never noticed that before).
Dorcas, I liked your analysis. Thanks for that.
Thanks for saying so. As I was writing it, I knew what I was trying to say but when I re-read it a couple of days later, and in the light of ginnyrose's post, I felt there was more to come.
Now that your point about law and grace has been discussed slightly, I feel I'm very much clearer. I'll explain.
but if he was under the Law......
I would like to challenge this way of thinking - at all - although I realise it is relevant to us, today, understanding the true gospel.
You see, the law was abolished in Christ Jesus, and it was only ever relevant to Jews, not gentiles.
There have been many errors of interpretation of 'their own olive tree' (Rom 11), which have, in varying degrees, been ministered to believers over many centuries. At the same time as this, there has been counter-balancing by other errors which have rejected the Jews altogether, saying that no Jew need even consider turning to Christ, since they rejected Him [i][b]before[/i][/b] His death.
I believe the longevity of some errors persisted because the Roman church prevented the people from having the word of God. And to compound their own fate more conclusively, when they did finally give up the unequal struggle begun by men like Luther, Calvin and Tyndale (and many, many unnamed others who have died for the faith), they presented an altered version of the word, so now it does not communicate God's truth in the fulness which protestants have available.
Going back to 'the Law', I see this as a longstanding heresy towards gentiles, since technically, it has never applied for two reasons.
First, the Law (of Moses) was given to the Hebrews\\Israelites as they came out of Egypt (with many non-Hebrews who chose to stay with Hebrew relatives), after God had threatened to leave them all altogether, and was persuaded to stay although He would no longer be visible to them. Thus we have had the ten commandments adopted for civil society, totally bereft of the priesthood, the sacrifices, and the relationship which God which Jews always enjoyed. But, it has [i][b]never[/i][/b] [u]saved[/u] us or them.
Secondly, 'the Law' was brought to an end in Christ Jesus, and instead of keeping it (by faith) in all its fulness, we are called upon to believe in Him. This step requires that we abandon sin (through repentance), counting [u]ourselves[/u] worthy of death for our misdemeanours towards God, and receiving [u]His death[/u] in our place, become (in Him) righteousness through faith, according to God's grace towards man.
So, when Jesus told the story, the Law was in operation .... sort of .... (because the Romans would not allow stoning to death, for instance... which is one of the reasons the religious elite had to do such fancy footwork to manoeuvre Jesus into a position where the Romans were willing to crucify Him) but, when He died, it died.
Thus, I think I was onto something in my earlier post, when I wrote this:
and even when his Master recognised his abilities, he didn't take that as a vote of confidence, but chose rather to believe his own puny version of 'truth'.
I now realise that when the Master (Jesus) gave the third man one talent with an identical instruction to that he gave the man with five, that
[u]the instruction[/u] was
[b]the creative word[/b], to which if the servant had responded correctly,
[u]he would have believed it possible he could multiply his talent[/u].
Thus, this parable is about the operation of [u]faith[/u].
davym said
He was the lord's servant however which makes it reasonable to think he was saved,
This statement shows just how important it is to see things from God's perspective.... When Jesus said 'called his own servants', we have to see that a servant enjoyed certain benefits. For a start, he was counted as part of his Master's household and as such had benefits and an intimacy with him not available to others. Also, he was trusted and would have been party to knowledge deemed private and personal. These qualified him to be given greater responsibility. But, he had brought a wrong attitude into the equation which meant, realisitically, that he
[i][b]would not[/b][/i] grow, rather than he
[i]could not[/i] grow.
And, even though he knew he might be in trouble (now) if he persisted in that attitude, he [u]consciously chose to retain his unbelief[/u], even though knowing there would be serious consequences.
I'm seeing therefore, that God will bring all of us who will go with Him, to a place where we must excercise faith towards an unknown outcome, or unbelief will condemn us beyond savability.
It is not the outcome of the exercise of faith which is at issue, but the exercise of faith itself, which shows Him whether we believe, or not... whether we trust [u]Him[/u] or not. If we believe Him, then He can use us to accomplish His will on earth. We become sons of the Father.
:-o
I wrote that last sentence and then realised... a son is not a servant, because a son abides forever, and, goes free.
Grace is available, but only through faith.
(Not works; (law-keeping).)