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Saved from what?

sermonindex Nov 2, 2007

I was thinking of Ravenhills' question. What are you saved from?

I really thought about that.

I've come to the conclusion that it's not what were saved from, it's who were saved for.

sermonindex Dec 13, 2007

I've come to the conclusion that it's not what were saved from, it's who were saved for.

I think it is important that we are saved from sin, but it definetly is important also who we are saved for. And for that to really be meaningful we must all the work of calvary to be done to us. I know that when I sin as a Christian I am stealing the glory and renown from God. He purchased me and to not walk holy or blameless is to deride the name of God.

Fortunately "if" we sin we have a advocate. But Christ does not "advocate" sin in any way. There are times to be encouraged to not sin but there are times to be encouraged to flee from sin, surely only then we are able to walk as Christ intended for us to walk. And I do agree that it ultimately is Him who enables us to walk in holiness but that does not give us freedom to sin in any way.

So, What are you saved from?

sermonindex Dec 13, 2007

So, what are you saved from?

Why don't you tell me?

sermonindex Dec 13, 2007


"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son."
-Colossians 1:13

"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled."
-Colossians 1:21

I am not saying I do not sin brother, we all have had and are struggling with sin. But we have the promises of God that we can conquer sin through the blood and work of Christ. Be encouraged brother, we are saved from sin and "are" being saved from sins. I need to be saved from sin daily.. and I have had besetting sins in my life, but praise be to God for His deliverance.

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PaulWest Dec 13, 2007

"Farewell world, thy gold is dross,
Now I see the bleeding cross;
Jesus died to set me free
From the law, and sin, and thee!"

John Newton

sermonindex Dec 13, 2007

I've come to the conclusion that it's not what were saved from, it's who were saved for.

Isaiah 43:7
7Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

1 John 3
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


Love in Christ
Katy-Did

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1 Timothy 3:9
Holding the mystery of the faith in a [b]Pure[/b] conscience.

2 Timothy 2:22
Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a [b]Pure[/b] heart.

James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first [b]Pure[/b] , then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a [b]Pure[/b] heart fervently:

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are [b]Pure[/b] , whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


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Rahman Dec 13, 2007

An eternal ... fiery ...
[b][size=x-large][color=CC0000]HELL![/color][/size][/b]

[color=0000FF]Thank You Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Jesus name ... Amen![/color]

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GeekyGuy Dec 13, 2007


Rahman wrote:


An eternal ... fiery ...
[b][size=x-large][color=CC0000]HELL![/color][/size][/b]

[color=0000FF]Thank You Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Jesus name ... Amen![/color]

I am reminded of some teaching I heard years ago. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the speaker, which is a shame, because I've never forgotten the teaching, especially considering the fact that this was 20 or more years ago.

Rahman's remark about Hell reminded me of that teaching, or part of it anyway. It was about true Christian commitment. Essentially, it went something like this:

Our commitment should be such that we are willing to sacrifice our own salvation [salvation as he spoke it meant whether or not we end up in hell]. In other words, if I can bring the most glory to God by being sent to Hell, by witnessing to the condemned sinners there and declaring God's greatness and the sacrifice and victory of the Lord Jesus Christ, then God, send me to Hell!

This next paragraph and the ones following may be a bit off-topic, for which I apologize. But it seems to me that the idea of whether I am saved [i]from[/i] Hell, or even saved [i]for[/i] Heaven is entirely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that I chose to rebel against God: willfully, proudly, arrogantly, hatefully, despicably. Our heavenly Father chose to return my hatred with love, by sacrificing his only Son. The Lord Jesus Christ chose to offer his life as a substitute for the punishment that I rightfully and justly deserve.

I've been saved from death, spiritual death. Whether I die physically or not doesn't matter to me. I've been saved for a life of righteousness and holiness and glorification of the Lord Jesus Christ. Glorifying the Lord Jesus is the only salvation that I care about.

So, like that preacher 20+ years ago, I pray that if the greatest glory I can give to the Lord Jesus is by declaring the greatness of the Lord Jesus while suffering the torment and agony of Hell, then I pray that God send me there, now.

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ccchhhrrriiisss Dec 13, 2007

This is Ravenhill's question:

"If I was to ask you tonight if you were saved? Do you say ‘[i]Yes, I am saved[/i].’ When? ‘[i]Oh so and so preached, I got baptized and[/i]...’
Are you saved?
What are you saved from, [i]hell[/i]?
Are you saved from [i]bitterness[/i]?
Are you saved from [i]lust[/i]?
Are you saved from [i]cheating[/i]?
Are you saved from [i]lying[/i]?
Are you saved from [i]bad manners[/i]?
Are you saved from [i]rebellion against your parents[/i]?
Come on, what are you saved [i]from[/i]?"

- Leonard Ravenhill

:-(

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andres Dec 13, 2007

we are saved from God..
God's wraith
love andy

sermonindex Dec 13, 2007

we are saved from God

excellent answer.

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InTheLight Dec 13, 2007

I was thinking of Ravenhills' question. What are you saved from? I really thought about that. I've come to the conclusion that it's not what were saved from, it's who were saved for.

It's not one or the other, it's both.

When he asked that question Mr. Ravenhill was really trying to combat the notion that salvation is just getting your ticket punched for heaven. Scripture is clear that Jesus came to save us from our sins, not in our sins.

But you are right in that there is another aspect of salvation. I believe that is demonstrated in the book of Exodus where Moses wrote...

And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.
(Exo 6:5-8)

God delivered the people both [i]from[/i] bondage and [i]unto[/i] a place of promise. God desired that His people would not only come out of Egypt but also enter into his rest. This was a rest where people lay every burden on God and therefore cease to worry and fret despite serious battles in their path. It is a rest where God’s will is gladly accepted and self matters no longer. It was a land where wandering around hungry and thirsty would be a thing of the past. But sadly the Bible tells us that they “could not enter into My rest.” If we love Jesus it should be our desire to enter His rest.

In Christ,

Ron

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broclint Dec 14, 2007

quote: It's not one or the other, it's both.

I agree that it is both... and yet after a few :-) years of being a Christian I can tell you several pages of things that God has saved me from and I suspect that many more of us could... in fact as I look at my precious family and loved ones and friends and at life itself, I shudder to think of the things that God has saved me from...
As Ravenhill says regarding this whole world "it is a system of corrrruption from the word go..." Thank God for all the corruption that could have been and would have been EXCEPT...Except for the wonderful mercy and grace of God...

Clint

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