Revival Conference

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My sister you were there?

practical conclusions and strategies involving interaction in prayer

what do you mean by this sister?
frredcd, there has been a few speaking on what conf did for them.. This last week, I got myself in a pit, unable to much at all. I hope that this week God will help to sit and write what God showed on this trip.

Blessing charlene

One statement that stuck with me (among many) was made by Ron Bailey as he preached on Psalm 51. It was a quote from Proverns 17:

Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; [u]but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth. [/u](Prov. 17:24)

I took from that that we have to get our eyes on our own lives and stop with this notion that God is going to send a revival somewhere else, even to the ends of the earth, other than in our own lives. To be repulsed by sin in America and every where but my own heart and life. I agree with Roniya. It was a time of personal revival. And if Revival is going to begin- surely it has to begin with me and my house- with my church and so on.

Hi everyone,

Brother Robert,

"To be repulsed by sin in America and every where but my own heart and life."

I remember from the testimony of the revival on the Island of Lewis or one of those places, when the men were praying in the barn, and one says something to the effect of "..it is so much humbug for us to be going on like this... if we ourselves are not rightly related to God."

Hanna, I no idea who are you are, I ask where you at the Conf or did you listen on line?

I write my dear beloved to what you have said, It seems to bring up many things in my heart.
To which I have ponder on. About 6 months ago there was something that happened, to which I learned a lot from. There was this group of godly men, who loved the Lord so much. They serve him and shared Christ more then I did for sure. They were talk of prayer, the importance of it, and how there is a great need of prayer. I agreed and Was happy to join this prayer meeting. All went well for some time. But then they had said my prayer where is way off or that with little grace and praying of sin to much. I went back prayed over my heart, I heart was not off, they just didn’t like the way I prayed. May I add they were standing for unity repentance and love. Yet I saw many believers from all over the city come together, which I taught was a wonderful thing. We are one body and are called to love all. But what I saw was sin was over looked so unity could be made. Many may Struggle andfall into a pit is one thing, but willful sins is another. When the people of God gathered it was all about the shame of their sins, a cry for mercy. So gathering of all is not wrong, but our reason and what we do can be. They gathered and repented. True weeping turning from Sins. This was a very sorrowful time. But unity that comprise sin is not honoring to God. They were saying they wanted all people to come and pray, yet I was ask to not be part of prayer meeting. So I ask what unity this that? Can we say one thing and yet act a different way. Can we say we love the body and yet chose who come and pray and not? What worry me, is when truth centered prayers are pushed off, because they offend people. I just don't understand how one can even claim they are of unity in the body when they are saying who should come and pray and not. Where is the humility? This was brought to my mind today when I saw your post. How sad I still I am over thing like this. I stand to say it is wrong. For those who unable to join the prayer meeting where ones who stood for truth. But soon, the light will shines and all things done in the dark will come out. As for me, I have seen this first hand, and have been the one kick out ask to not ask to come back. I have been told I am judgmental, How is my beloved, when one stands for holiness is ask to not come back. We will pray and cry out for change but when one show you a sin, we become pridful and say that person is judgmental. I then question who are they trying to please man or God? Who are they worried about God or man when prayers are made? Here they were having the prayer meeting on repentance yet when came down who wants to really change? there are some, but from what I have seem in the last year, it is prayer but no real cry of longing to be changed. yes we long for God, but no willingness to seek him take away the tv and Moives and say yes we are hungery? Where then is the real heart felt crys of Gods people? we read we listen to the importance prayer, but I really wonder it it has gripped most of us? Even as I am back, there are but a few who long to gather and keep praying. It isn't about praying, it about wanting God the center the passion the delight the all, the lover, it all about seek his face, wanting to hear his voice. Whom desire to hear Christ voice “Must be complete surrender of yourselves to God in this sense that this time you wish to think not your own thoughts but Gods thoughts and that you determine to preach nothing of your own invention but Gods word” So if we call a prayer meeting, let be fully surrender to God, Let truth be the center of it all! Let God word cut into mans heart, let it not be just emotions but truth! “true humility will lead you to think correctly about yourselves” In this when we are praying in humility and honesty we want to have a clear picture of who we are. “ “ why should God give blessing and then let you run away with the glory of it” God is all about his own glory, dear beloved. When I was there God at there prayer meeting months ago, He said how will this bring lasting fruit? They praise and pray to me but there still unchanged harden of heart they are still clinging to their idol, they know not what real repentance is. He will not let run away with the glory. I ponder this. If these men behind it all
for example were in sin, and they themselves where living in lies and sins, they thought God will work yet they put on real heart felt prayers into it, it was done their way and not Gods way. I have seen this many times they will at a event we want God to work, and do mighty things, but when comes down to those praying are but few or none. So ask the question does God only for his children to pray for events and after, what then would be the need well it is going? Although when I went to Paul Washer Church for their Conf they had people in their every hour. I am still pondering this one question, How we say it is all about prayer, yet when comes down to it, few gather to pray together. Do we as people have a heard time praying together. does God use dead tools for working living miracles?”To not just have a living jaw but heart what is one who boast in all preparation will soon fall” So the question lingers How can God bless something that done with wrong being done to others. It remains of Isa 58 the fast, they say they delight to meeting with God, yet God says they were doing it all wrong, there was no change in their lives. Anyways. I was thinking about that today. But I do end on this hopeful and wonderful note, when I was in Ohio there where two wonderful girls and two guys who showed what true prayer is all about. Those who draw near to God, God will draw near to them. God waits for us to give Him our all. Praise he ever so kind, but it is unwise to look pass his angry and punishment for those who will turn.

You have talk of the prayer Hall, do you mean the Prayer room?

Much love charlene

I think there is still a fair amount of digesting going on for some of us and the Carter Conlon dream may have given some cause to pause and wonder.

There is a saying that old generals always refight the last war. It refers to the fact that they had seen the old ways and now know how to do it better 'this time'. There must always be a danger that those who pray will pray for the 'last revival' ie a repeat, but without the mistakes, of the last time God moved. This has interesting implications when you get a gathering of people together who have different 'recollections' of the 'last war'. Some from the more sober holiness traditions will have one memory and those from the more exuberant traditions will have another memory. It was interesting to me that most of the speakers provided their own definition of revival in the course of their messages.

The danger of course is that the gap between 'expectation' and 'delivery' is usually called 'disappointment'. So we may well have folk who have a measure of disappointment because their 'last war' was not properly re-fought.

Many years ago I visited Lincoln College in Oxford UK where they have a reproduction of John Wesley's study. Visitors can lean over the stable-door and get the feel of what it would have been like to be there in Wesley's day. I did just that and then added my name to the visitors book. There was a column for 'comments' and I instinctively wrote 'do it again Lord'. I was instantly checked in my heart with a word which said "I am the Origin. All that I do is origin-al; I never repeat myself". I walked from the college somewhat subdued and deep in thought.

It is impossible for human beings to be genuinely objective and the biggest follies are committed by those who think they are. We are all the products of our history and experience and that affects our expectations.

Was I disappointed? No, but then I didn't have the clear expectations that some others may have had. Was this lack of faith? Well, I can only believe what God shows me so without revelation what we often call 'faith' is more likely to be 'hope'. I was particularly blessed and challenged by some messages; some more that others. I was blessed to have been there and for me the 'face to face' with several SI-ers was a particular blessing.

Maybe it was a call back to SI's original roots? If you go back far enough you will discover that this website began life under the heading... "the revival we need". We have some fascinating discussions on the forums but the purpose, as I understand it of this website, is to encourage each other in prayer and a practical walk of holiness and righteousness; to prepare the way of the Lord and to pray for his conscious presence in the temple which is his church.

God honours an honest crying out to Him to ”revive us again”, to bring us back to life.

The very petition 'revive us again' implies that I know what I am expecting. That 'again' must have some link to a previous experience. So when I pray 'revive us again' what am I, personally, really asking for?

I agree, I was recently speaking from Mark 8:26 when the Lord dropped something into my heart from Isa 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now shall it spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

Revival is an expression of who God is, in its truest sense it is the Life of Christ in the heart of man/woman. Not everyone needs revival. Some are already walking in the light as He is in the light. What more is there than this? I heard one of the speakers say something like, "sometimes we expect more from ourselves than God requires of us, and sometimes we do less than what God wants from us", that to me seemed pretty liberating and yet held a sense of conviction too, "Lord which one am I"?

If I pray 'God bless granny' how would I know if my prayer had been heard?

That's funny, but there is a truth there. We (several friends of mine here) used to say to people that we were meaningful specifics and not broad generalities in life. I think many people live life as broad generalities while some zero in on being meaningful specifics, the same does go with our prayer life. The question really than is Lord which one am I?

It is impossible for human beings to be genuinely objective and the biggest follies are committed by those who think they are. We are all the products of our history and experience and that affects our expectations.

Was I disappointed? No, but then I didn't have the clear expectations that some others may have had. Was this lack of faith? Well, I can only believe what God shows me so without revelation what we often call 'faith' is more likely to be 'hope'. I was particularly blessed and challenged by some messages; some more that others. I was blessed to have been there and for me the 'face to face' with several SI-ers was a particular blessing.

Maybe it was a call back to SI's original roots? If you go back far enough you will discover that this website began life under the heading... "the revival we need". We have some fascinating discussions on the forums but the purpose, as I understand it of this website, is to encourage each other in prayer and a practical walk of holiness and righteousness; to prepare the way of the Lord and to pray for his conscious presence in the temple which is his church.

Good to see more response to all that has occurred and would second this with certainty;

I think there is still a fair amount of digesting going on for some of us

Mentioned much of a similar nature in the other thread about expectations as you did here Ron. That is neither here nor there ...

A conference of this kind, of this dignity, should cause much and deep thinking regarding spiritual causes and effects leading to practical conclusions and strategies involving interaction in prayer - but of this we see none.
It is as if the congregation is hiding from this analyze, hiding from taking action. The most wordy items in the treads are indulging in an advanced dodging of issues – echoing the many before them, saying “all is now well”.
We are continuing in prayer, asking for light to be shed for the sake of revival.
Hanna

I must ask and will admit that I find much of this particularly ... irritating? grievous? But just who is the 'we' you are speaking of? "wordy items" and your own? This is the second time now that you have voiced your complaint and yet have not come right out and spoken plainly, though it was asked of you to send this privately so as to not make matters more confused ... Do you not recognize the level of accusation laced throughout this, what makes you think that either a deeper level of matters is not taking place or did not take place or that something is being skirted ... Quite a presumption to counter with an 'all is well', could it be possibly that the issue is your own? That whatever expectation you or whoever 'we' is are upset that things did carry on along the prescribed lines of your expectations?

I would far rather not see this as a defending of anything, as was mentioned ... perhaps more than a few of us were not disappointed because we came seeking only Him and are quite content that He might do just as he is pleased to do. And at this particular stage of the processing and there is much to process still, that the glaring, overriding fact, perhaps not 100%, but predominantly, was an earnest and honest unity was present, who else but the Lord could draw such a thing together? If one were to take a real sobering look at that and not push it off the side as no big deal ... it is quite remarkable. This forum with it's variety and difficulties but also with it's penchant for overblown opinionating at times has had touches of it here and there over the years ...

Nothing was contrived or calculated and if you had the slightest inkling of how this all came together it might surprise ... The many 'players' behind the scenes, quietly chipping in collectively, the folks who provided the web cast come to mind. Perhaps that is part of my irritation with this, when you have people willingly traveling from all over the world, those who spoke of their own volition and cost, a place opened up to the conference who knew next to nothing of SI ... Where their mistakes made? Likely! That you or 'we' whoever you are have some issues and concerns, very well, that is understood, but to go about making these assumptions seems quite unwise.

I have been particularly challenged of late by an old sermon of G.W. north from around 1977. He talked about how Jesus came to send FIRE on the earth; he then asked, "Could He safely send you?"

I believe the conference was the beginnings of a rekindling of the FIRE that, to some degree or another, may have died down in our lives. It is interesting to note that Jesus said we are the 'light of the world'. In the 1st century the only real sources of light originated in fire. The Sun is a ball of fire. the moon is a reflection of that ball of fire. The stars are balls of fire. Torches are fire. Candles are fire.

God wants to light individuals on FIRE with His presence, that they might burn for Him. That is what priests do- they burn things. they burn sacrifices and incense. We are kings and priests unto God- are we burning?

A bruised reed shall he not break, [u]And smoking flax shall he not quench[/u], Till he send forth judgment unto victory. (Matt. 12:20)

The prophet referred to our LORD here as this is taken from Isaiah 42. What good is a candle if there be no fire? What good is a candlestick in the first place? Is it an item of decor? To remove the candlestick is to remove the FIRE. Ephesus had FIRE, but did they have fruit? We need fruit and FIRE.

I am come to send FIRE!, Jesus said. What good are we if we have no FIRE? An old time preacher was asked how a person could get on fire for God. He simply reached into a burning fireplace with a steel poker. Upon leaving it for a while he pulled it back bright and orange illuminating the darkened are of the room. He then exclaimed, I put the rod in the fire- and now the fire is in the rod.

The conference, for me, was a time of God putting me back into the Fire. What good am I to anyone if I have no Fire?