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chadster Nov 14, 2007

Does anyone recall the message that Keith Daniel preached where he shared the experience of being maligned by a fellow speaker at a conference and his father-in-law raced to find him because he wanted him to know it was a test, and he needed to pass this test...it was a very moving account of betrayal and forgiveness. I can't seem to find it...if anyone can help me locate it, I'd be deeply grateful!

Also, there's a powerful message by Art Katz on "God crucified", but it's preached and translated into German...does the same message exist in just the English language?

Thanks much for any assistance in helping me locate these messages.

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Tears_of_joy Nov 14, 2007

Hello chadster, yes, here is the first message:

[b][url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=8185](Mount Vernon) My Godly Father in-law[/url][/b]

[b]Excerpt from the sermon:[/b]

"In the school of God, everyone faces tests, examines, just like secular school, you have to face test in every standard, every level, and if you fail the exam that you have to face, you have to go and face them again! Until you pass. It is the same in God's school. Before you get to the next level, no matter how many times you go through those exams, you need to face the same exam, it's the same in God's school. Listen carefully boy! This is the most difficult test that most of us had ever faced, and I don't know why God has given you such difficult test, but it is a test, and if you fail, you are going to face it again, I guarantee you, in the school of God, I learnt it Keith, you pass the exam Keith, or you will face this again, do you want to face it again? pass the exam in God's eyes and in men's eyes, men are watching you, or you will face this again Keith, trust me. And he turned and walked away..."
-K.Daniel ~62min.

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crsschk Nov 14, 2007

Hi brother,

The Keith Daniel message I hope somebody can find, would love to hear it.

Unsure if this is what you are referring to regarding Art Katz;

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=3278]And They Crucified Him[/url]

[b]Description:[/b] Empty entertainment/worship sung by pretty people -Doctrinally-correct sermons devoid of power -Sunday-only Christian lives barely distinguishable from the world. All these and many more ills are symptoms of a disease Art clearly identifies in this message. It's such a fundamental thing, our understanding of the cross. It's an indictment of our lives and the current impetence of the church. In the final analysis, unless we know ‘Christ and Him crucified,’ our knowledge of God will be false.

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chadster Nov 14, 2007

You guys are awesome...thanks for your fast response and for your help...

Gratefully,
Chadster

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crsschk Nov 14, 2007

Thanks Kire!

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