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Sex Scandal at Atlanta Mega-Church

sermonindex Nov 20, 2007

I stated yesterday that God was beginning to clean house, bringing down several WOF "ministers"... and as I said, this is only the beginning. And it's NOT going to be just WOF ministries...

Well... todays leading story on Foxnews.com was this: "Sex Scandal Rocks Atlanta-Area Megachurch"

Here's the link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312249,00.html

Folks... w'd better make sure we're right with the Lord! This house cleaning the Lord is doing will not stop with just the big names. The church in America is about to be chastised.

It will be painful... but in the end, it will be a blessing. The Lord chastises His children... if He didnt love the church in America He would just let it stumble down the path it's on and not do anything.

We're about to enter the refiner's fire.

Buckle up.

Krispy

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enid Nov 20, 2007

Krispy,
It's you! Thank goodness for that, I thought it was chandras, again.

But, seriously, I haven't read the story yet. I can't. I'm too tired of what is going on and you just wonder what's next.

We want revival and all we get is tragedy after tragedy in the church.

As you said, God is cleaning house, that's where His judgment begins.

God bless.

sermonindex Nov 20, 2007

It's you! Thank goodness for that, I thought it was chandras, again.

lol... no comment.

We want revival and all we get is tragedy after tragedy in the church.

Dont let your heart be troubled... true revival comes out of adversity. This, I believe, is the beginning... the birth pangs, if you will... of true revival in this country.

Rejoice!

Krispy

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enid Nov 20, 2007

I checked the link and it says page cannot be found, so I don't know what the story is about.

Maybe the link is wrong, or it could be my computer.

God bless

sermonindex Nov 20, 2007

I dont know why it's not linking correctly, but if you copy/paste the following into your address bar in Internet Exporer it will come up.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312249,00.html

Krispy

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davym Nov 20, 2007

The link is below

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312249,00.html]Atlanta church scandal[/url]

Quoting from article

The archbishop, his brother and the church are being sued by former church employee Mona Brewer, who says Earl Paulk manipulated her into an affair from 1989 to 2003 by telling her it was her only path to salvation. Earl Paulk admitted to the affair in front of the church last January.

Diabolical!

"It was a necessary evil to bring us back to a God-consciousness," said the younger Paulk, explaining that the church had become too personality-driven and prone to pastor worship.

Hmmm. I've heard this before......... Pastor worship is a problem in many churches.

At its peak in the early 1990s, it claimed about 10,000 members and 24 pastors and was a media powerhouse. By soliciting tithes of 10 percent from each member's income, the church was able to build a Bible college, two schools, a worldwide TV ministry and a $12 million sanctuary the size of a fortress.

We're all familiar with this.

Today, though, membership is down to about 1,500, the church has 18 pastors, most of them volunteers, and the Bible college and TV ministry have shuttered — a downturn blamed largely on complaints about the alleged sexual transgressions of the elder Paulks.

This whole thing would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

Folks, at least the US still has a spiritual hunger. These churches wouldn't exist if that didn't exist. It's just tragic how it's channelled into these false doctrines. My country, the UK, is losing the hunger for God. We're just sinking into heathenism, but that's a separate matter. Thanks for link Krispy and I hope you're right about revival.

David


sermonindex Nov 20, 2007

Folks, at least the US still has a spiritual hunger. These churches wouldn't exist if that didn't exist.

This is an excellent point that for some reason has elluded me. But your right. Unfortunately right now that spiritual hunger is not enough for most Americans to consider true Biblical repentence, salvation and holiness. We want spirituality without the hard stuff. We want the 23rd Psalm, but not "be holy as He is holy".

But hopefull this is about to change.

Krispy

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ginnyrose Nov 21, 2007

I first saw this news on http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/11/20/intv.church.scandal.paulk.cnn this afternoon. The son was interviewed by cnn's hosts....

There is one thing that disturbs me and that is how 'old' this sin is: this son is 34 YO! And it has never been confessed??!! and obviously never repented of either: Rev. D.E. Paulk has had other affairs. How can a man succeed so long with no repercussions? Did no one ever detect anything amiss anywhere?

Still who will have the last word? God says "and be sure your sin will find you out.." For some it may take a long time..hope the elder man will actually be repentant of his sins, not just sorry it was found out.

Recent exposure of gross sins in ministries reminds me of a book I read in 1994: "Exit Interviews: Revealing Stories of Why People are Leaving the Churh" by William D. Hendricks. This is a very informative read. What was true 13 years ago has become so much more common. The saying "that people who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it" or the one "if there is one thing people do not learn that is they do not learn from history" is just as true as ever before. We need to thank God that He will not be mocked. Should put us on our toes as well: matters not whether we be little or big, all will have to give an account someday. It will be in our best interests to clear the slate NOW.

ginnyrose

sermonindex Nov 21, 2007

There is one thing that disturbs me and that is how 'old' this sin is: this son is 34 YO! And it has never been confessed??!! and obviously never repented of either: Rev. D.E. Paulk has had other affairs. How can a man succeed so long with no repercussions? Did no one ever detect anything amiss anywhere?

Hey... it's much worse than that. Go to wikipedia and look him up...

This is all public record. It's amazing that there are 1500 people still blind and stupid enough to still attend his church!

This guy, Earl Paulk, makes Bill Clinton look like an amateur.

I'm sure someone will think I shouldnt expose all this... but he NEEDS to be exposed. Why would we cover this up and pretend it isnt happening? And dont be fooled, I'm sure Earl Paulk is not the only prominent "minister" who is involved in this kind of wretchedness.

[i][b]Controversies[/b]

Paulk has been involved with many sex scandals spanning several years. Two of the more prominent scandals involved Cindy Hall and Mona Brewer.

Cindy Hall
Hall was born in 1960 and was one of the first children born into Chapel Hill Harvester. In 2003, she claimed that Paulk had convinced her into a lengthy affair that also included her having sex with Paulk's brother, Don. Hall alleges that the affair began in 1983 (in a manner much similar to Mona Brewer's a few years later) when Paulk prayed for her, then kissed her. He then would say he intended to "make love" to her. At one point, Paulk supposedly would tell her that they had a "special gift of love outside holy matrimony". Cindy Hall has never filed a lawsuit against Paulk.

Mona Brewer
Mona Manning Brewer was a Sunday School teacher who married Bobby Brewer in 1987. She was also featured regularly as a soloist on the television program as well. She came to the church at the age of 19, four years after her conversion to Christianity. Brewer claimed that in 1989, Paulk felt " 'impressed of the Lord' to get to know her better". She then stopped by his office the next day. Soon she made regular appearances. She alleged that a church official stated that there had been a "word of knowledge" claiming that she was about to enter a new relationship that would benefit her. As it turned out, the "relationship" in question was a sexual one with Paulk on September 12, 1989. Paulk preached the following Sunday that "when you are in despair, God will send you a resurrection", later claiming that Brewer was his resurrection. She didn't break the relationship off until September 2003. Not long afterwards, Bobby Brewer reportedly punched Paulk in the nose. The Brewers eventually sued Paulk and his church on August 31, 2005, claiming Paulk misused his position to manipulate her into a sexual relationship, and claiming Paulk owed US$400,000 for a loan Brewer issued to settle the Jessica Battle suit. On Monday, March 5, 2007, at a pretrial hearing, the Brewers' lawyer wrote out a request for dismissal of the case by hand and handed it to lawyers for Paulk and the church. Levenson acted just as a ruling was about to come on a motion by Paulk's lawyers to dismiss the allegations. By dropping the case before the ruling, the Brewers left open the possibility of filing another suit with the same allegations. "We were having difficulty even at this point getting witnesses to speak out against the acts of Bishop Paulk and the church," Levenson said. "Sometimes you just have to do this." However, the case has since been refiled.

Tricia Weeks
Weeks was a biographer/ghostwriter for Paulk when she allegedly had a two-year affair with Paulk in 1992.

Jessica Battle
Between the Weeks incident and the stories breaking about Brewer and Hall, in 2001; Jessica Battle, a college student who had been part of the dance team, accused Paulk of molesting her between the ages of 7 and 11, and later of forcing himself on her when she was 17. Lynn Mays (Battle's grandmother and a pastor on the staff) sided with Paulk. The suit was settled out of court in 2003 for $400,000.

Donnie Earl Paulk
On October 14, 2007, Donnie Earl (D.E.) Paulk, nephew of Earl and senior pastor of the Cathedral at Chapel Hill, informed the congregation that he is actually the biological son of Earl Paulk, and not the son of Donald Paulk. A court-ordered DNA test confirmed this and prompted the revelation.[/i]

Krispy

sermonindex Nov 21, 2007


KrispyKrittr wrote:
I stated yesterday that God was beginning to clean house, bringing down several WOF "ministers"... and as I said, this is only the beginning. And it's NOT going to be just WOF ministries...


Hey Krispy, or anyone else who has been following all of this, could you compile a listing of all these different scandals and exposure that has happened in the last month or so? I've seen thread after thread come up but haven't followed all this very closely.

If someone would do that, I'd really appreciate it...

Thanks!

:-)

[i]I keep hearing Carter Conlon's voice warning that the prosperity Gospel movement is going to collapse...[/i]

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ginnyrose Nov 21, 2007

And you know what Krispy? If there had been no followers who would give them money, this kind of hanky-panky would not succeed. One could say the parishioners are just as guilty for allowing, supporting this blatant sin with their finances, their "loving" support.

Today I was thinking a lot about this....you know the person in the pew has been getting by with all kinds of dreadful sins for years. To speak out against it, to take disciplinary action against it has fallen in disfavor among many American churches. The excuse has been used that you are judging, because after all "we all sin" and who are we to judge: Jesus says "thou shalt not judge!" Since this has been the case, we should not be surprised that 'church' in American has deteriorated into a mere social club, using religious words to soothe their conscience. So then we should not at all be alarmed when we see this kind of behaviours from the leadership.

Some years ago I did some interviewing for the Mississippi Oral History Program. Locally, I interviewed an old black man, a former NAACP officer. We got to talking about the 'black' church in the community - then vs now. He told me how the black church used to be very disciplined in their morals but this is no longer the case. I asked him what happened to change this? He said: "well, you know when the preacher starts doing these sins, he cannot get up and preach against it because the people would not stand for it." I appreciated his honesty.

Many on this forum cry for "revival". But do you really want revival? How much longer will you tolerate open sin in your congregation? Are we making excuses, giving people the benefit of the doubt when you know in your heart what the truth is? When Jesus lived on earth, he always confronted sin whenever he saw it. He was brief and to the point. The religious folks were the worst: saying they were faithful to the law when in reality they picked and chose, ignored the inconvenient parts (like the woman who was taken in adultery: the scriptures say she was caught in the act: the OT law says BOTH were to be stoned. But the Pharisees brought only the woman) and added to to make up for it.

Tragic it is when the church has become a spectacle to the world, held up in derision and scorn. But the fact that this is so should teach us something which seems very important to me: the people expect something greater from the church then they do other social clubs...what is it?

ginnyrose

sermonindex Nov 26, 2007

And you know what Krispy? If there had been no followers who would give them money, this kind of hanky-panky would not succeed. One could say the parishioners are just as guilty for allowing, supporting this blatant sin with their finances, their "loving" support.

Absolutely... I agree 100%! The people who made up the congregation had not "studied to themselves approved", and they certainly were not Bereans. They must stand before the Lord to give an accounting as well.

But scripture also tells us that those who are in leadership bear an even greater burden before the Lord when they stand before Him on that great and terrible day.

Krispy

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kingsson Nov 26, 2007

The old saying is proven true again: "The Church is the only Army in history that kills its own wounded." While some wring their hands in glee at the fall of another "WOF" ministry (which I assume stands for "Word of Faith" as opposed, I imagine to "Word of Doubt"?) I am praying for this man and his congregation, as well as for the thousands of people who will be influenced to reject God because they insist on judging God by His people instead of by what He says about Himself.

sermonindex Nov 27, 2007

The old saying is proven true again: "The Church is the only Army in history that kills its own wounded." While some wring their hands in glee at the fall of another "WOF" ministry

Well thats a bit uncalled for. Where is there any glee in this thread? And as far as this preacher... according to scripture the light is not in him anyway, therefore he is not part of the "Army of God". He has lived a life of sin and cover up with no apparent remorse for anything he has done for almost FOUR decades.

Sorry brother, but he is of the enemy. He is not of this army. If he were he would not have lived in utter debauchery for most of his life and still continued on as a minister of the gospel.

He is a fake, he is a liar. He is of his father the devil.

I have not shot one of my brothers (I havent shot anyone)... he was exposed because God had had enough. And may we ALL pay attention to that fact. God is long suffering, but if we do not clean our own hearts and minds, His patience will come to an end with us as well. Each one individually.

Krispy

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enid Nov 27, 2007

Just a few scriptures.

Numbers 32v23, '...and be sure your sin will find you out'.

James 4v17, 'Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin'.

Heb 13v4, '...fornicators and adulterers God will judge'

God bless.

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kingsson Nov 27, 2007

You make a good point, Krispy. I stand corrected on Bishop Paulk's status in the Army. In that case, although he has repented, I suppose it is okay to continue to kick him, judge his congregation, and contribute to the feeding frenzy by making a list of all the scandals that have hit the Church recently (which one member DID request in this thread), although I can't think why. Where is mercy? Where is forgiveness? Who can cast the first stone?

sermonindex Nov 27, 2007

although he has repented, I suppose it is okay to continue to kick him, judge his congregation, and contribute to the feeding frenzy by making a list of all the scandals that have hit the Church recently

First off, saying he is sorry is not repentence. I hope he has repented, I really do. But 40 years of lies, deception, adultry, etc does not get swept under the carpet by simply saying "I'm sorry." Sorry for what? Sorry he got caught? He's been caught in the past, but no repentence. Thats evidence by the fact that he is STILL trying to play cover up.

As for his congregation... I'll stick by what I said. They are responsible before God for overlooking the sins of the leadership, and not knowing God's Word and how He would have them to react to the scandals of the last 40 years.

Thats not me judging them... thats God's Word judging them.

It's always interesting to me how some will defend people like this to the death, and attack those who will take a bold stand for the truth of the Word of God.

Krispy

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kingsson Dec 2, 2007

I am neither attacking nor defending anyone. Certainly the conduct was reprehensible. How do WE know if his "sorry" is true repentance? Can you judge the state of someone else's soul? Only God knows the degree of our sincerity... any of us. Judgement is God's prerogative, because He is the only true and righteous judge. Our call is mercy. After all, which of us is perfect? Only One person has ever lived a perfect Christian life, and He died so we could have HIS life.

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