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whyate Nov 27, 2007

Brothers and Sisters,

I am in a constant struggle. I am a believer and trying to do what is right. I have a constant struggle with my husband. He does believe but I am not sure to what extent. He prayed once before we were married but that was as close as he has ever been to my knowledge. Anyhow, I as a christian, should be leaving everything in my life to God. We are young and still have much growing to do. He is a good man, but often does things that seems to be a blatent disreguard for my feelings. I understand that when you are married, you and your spouse become one. He does not have a relationship with the Lord. When he does something and I am hurt by it, his response is purely defensive, no matter what it is. I feel like he just walks over me at times. By no means is he abusive, verbally or physically. I am only talking about the little things here. Nor do I fear him. I think it is my flesh that wants to get through to him but he never sees things from my point of view. It seems like this is what my life will be like forever.

That may be part of my journey with the Lord, He may have me live like this. Only He knows and His plan is perfect.

But what does that mean? Do I just keep quiet about everything, all the time. Letting my husband do what he wants.

sermonindex Nov 27, 2007

Sis, I've been married for 28 years.

There's only one book besides the Bible that I would recommend that any married person read.

It's [url=http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=42827&event=ESRCN]Sacred Marriage By Gary L. Thomas[/url] and any one of his others mentioned on that page.

I heard him interviewed on the radio first and could not believe the depth of understanding of God's Plan that this man held.

Hoping his books will help many others also.

S
Spitfire Nov 27, 2007

Sister, I have been where you are. I know how hard this is. There's only one solution here. Pray! Pray hard! Stay in God's presence and allow him to lead you all the way to the cemetary. When you begin to desire to see your husband [i]really[/i] come to Christ more than you care about your own life, then you'll be over the hump. I have one more thing to share with you, but I'll have to write to you later. Gotta go to work. Love, Dian.

sermonindex Nov 27, 2007

Here's a good sermon by Keith Danial called:
"Godliness In the Home" that addresses this very same issue.

http://64.34.176.235/sermons/SID10593.mp3


God will use this trial to build character in you. He will never leave you or forsake you. Nothing can seperate you from the love of God, not even an unsaved or backslidden spouse.It will drive you to the feet of Jesus which is the best place any of us could be in any circumstance. It seems there is always someone else in the world who has it worse than you do. All things do work to good to those who love God and you will be rewarded here in this life and in the life to come.

I will pray for you sister.

C
crsschk Nov 27, 2007

[i]Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.[/i] Psa 27:14

[i]In your patience possess ye your souls.[/i] Luk 21:19

Opposite genders, quite a bit older I would suppose, but not to dissimilar to some of these matters ... Have learned many things the hard way. The greatest of these is [i]pray[/i].

Do I just keep quiet about everything, all the time. Letting my husband do what he wants.

This might surprise you but, for the most part, yes. If you are a reactionary sort the verses above will be quite helpful. Love him, at all times and let the Lord and your prayers deal with the particulars. Study the life of Jesus, especially His reactions.

Trust me I know what I am speaking of here, silence and understanding, keeping your peace is far more effective by and large. Not always mind you, but the best thing any of us can do is learn to be led of the Spirit.

Perspective is also helpful, challenging. Here is something that threw me to my knees just by way of comparison;

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=0&topic_id=17336&forum=34&post_id=&refresh=Go]What Difference Can One Person Make?(William Carey)[/url]

It may not be what it seems, but take special note of his relationship with his wife.

The other mentions here also, Keith Daniel ... these sisters as mentioned have quite a measure of experience. You are in some good company. Hope you might immense yourself in all that is available here on this site ... it will change your life and your perspective, all for His glory.

G
ginnyrose Nov 27, 2007

Sister,

One of the most difficult situstion a person can find himself/herslf in is when a loved one lives for himself/herself with a disregard for the LORD. It is one thing when they turn their back on the LORD and another when they are so religious but have an abiding sin[s] in their life. Now that is worst yet! This is the situation among our close kinfolks...

One day as I was dealing with this issue, I was so troubled, so discouraged and wondering where we had gone wrong. The LORD saw it and you know what he told me? He said "Sandra, you be mom and let Me be God!" Oh dearie, that was the most woderful thing I could have heard. I said "Yes, LORD, I will do that!" And I did. Now I concentrated on being 'mom' to my son and backed off from preaching to him. I made sure he always had clean clothes to wear, delicous meals for my family, the house orderly - in short I catered to his wishes in the small things I knew that meant a lot to him. He still has not come to the LORD but he did go on and served his country in the Guard, became a 1Lt. and earned a degree in civil engineering. But I do not fuss at him any more - I let God do that.


Sister, I would urge you to focus you attention on doing things that please your DH, lay off preaching to him. Know this that you are serving God by pleasing your husband! Having said this, you are never to obey him when he bids you to do something that goes against scripture: that is still the final authority in your life.

Many of us women desire a perfect husband but you know what? There ain't none on this planet! They only exist in the imagination and some write about them and it is called fiction! :-?

And another thing, live only one day at a time: do not worry about the future or tomorrow. Sometimes it is moment by moment, but either way work to see how you can please him. Check out the scriptures that deal with husband/wife relationships for more inspiration...and at all times be in prayer for him.

Blessings,
ginnyrose

God bless you...

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elanham Nov 27, 2007

My precious sister in the Beloved,

You have an opportunity of a lifetime. Can you think of anything that you can give to the King. Will He be pleased with offerings or songs of praise. Will He even be pleased with acts of service and labor unto His Name. These things dont carry much weight in the economy of Heaven. Yet what you can give Him that is of great value is a heart that is broken that does not need to be understood or treated fairly before it can give itself fully to the object that is source of the pain. The state of Christlikeness can only come as negative pressure is applied to your soul. As the negative pressure is applied to the soul the soul will show itself for what it is. It will cry out for vindication. It will naturally seek its own. It will go through great legnths to see that the discomfort ends quickly. And if that soul gets what it wants the pain may stop but know that you have circumvented that which your heart truly seeks which is to be conformed to the image of the King who himself was made perfect through suffering. You will know when the Cross has perfected its work in you when you can fully love your husband without any regard to his treatment of you. Love meaning that your heart is never gaurded to keep from being wounded. Love that does not withdraw to an inner sanctum for the fear of being hurt yet again. Through this bearing up under the pain you show yourself forth to the demonic realm and the Holy Angels that you are indeed the offspring of the Father. You prove to them that you march to a different beat. A beat whose rythm has as its source the Wisdom of God which was manifested in the Cross. As to your question 'do you keep quite about everything?' Communication is key in a marriage. Yet try your best in the Grace of God not to communicate for your interest but for your husbands. Remember our ultimate call as believers is to be conformed to the image of the King.

Go forth and conquer

sermonindex Nov 27, 2007


elanham wrote:

You have an opportunity of a lifetime.


The Lord spoke this to my heart some time ago in so many words.You do have the opportunity of a lifetime whether you are married or not by allowing God to use your circumstances to better equip you.


Marriage is hard at times no matter who you are married to. When we were married 15 years ago I tried to find in my husband what I couldn't find in my father but my husband is not perfect and he cannot be all things to me. I have alot of scars but it wasn't until I turned to Jesus with all my heart instead of my husband that God began healing me one scar at a time. If it wasn't for the things I go through in this life I don't know if God could have ever taken me through this process. I am a much better christian having gone through what I have in this life.

I told God that I want to be whole meaning even if I walk alone in this life it will not have any effect on me because I have Him. That my world will not come crashing down around me if my husband or close friends forsake me and believe me it used to.

I used to feel alone even when I had my husband with me but it wasn't his fault. Now God is more real to me than anyone else. I know now I can walk through any valley alone because He is with me. I feel His prescence more than ever before and I am more tuned in to hear His voice. I spend alot of time in prayer mostly just abiding in His prescence. He knows your need before you meet Him there and He will speak to you.He will give you more than you could ever ask, think or imagine.

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Spitfire Nov 28, 2007

I have one more thing to share with you, but I'll have to write to you later.

Ok, I'm back. Sorry it took so long. What I'd like to share with you is a tremendous revelation I had while wrestling with my husband's ungodly ways. This revelation has changed my life completely.

I was trying to pray for my husband one morning when the Lord spoke to me and said, "I see you and your husband as one person." I said, "Yes, Lord. I know that." He said, "When you pray, it is him praying." All of a sudden, I understood something I've never understood before! I realized that I had the power to pray in my husband's stead. I think the oldtimers call it "standing in the gap". I began, that very morning to pray for my husband in the first person. I could see the areas of his life that he needed to repent, forgive, renounce, etc. So...I began to do it for him in prayer. I prayed as if I was him. I would literally say to God, "Lord, I come to you right now on behalf of my husband." And then...I would just pray as if I were him. It changed everything. More later. Dian.

sermonindex Nov 28, 2007


Spitfire wrote:
I have one more thing to share with you, but I'll have to write to you later.

Ok, I'm back. Sorry it took so long. What I'd like to share with you is a tremendous revelation I had while wrestling with my husband's ungodly ways. This revelation has changed my life completely.

I was trying to pray for my husband one morning when the Lord spoke to me and said, "I see you and your husband as one person." I said, "Yes, Lord. I know that." He said, "When you pray, it is him praying." All of a sudden, I understood something I've never understood before! I realized that I had the power to pray in my husband's stead. I think the oldtimers call it "standing in the gap". I began, that very morning to pray for my husband in the first person. I could see the areas of his life that he needed to repent, forgive, renounce, etc. So...I began to do it for him in prayer. I prayed as if I was him. I would literally say to God, "Lord, I come to you right now on behalf of my husband." And then...I would just pray as if I were him. It changed everything. More later. Dian.


That's awesome! Praise God! The only thing is that I don't know my husband's inner battles :-( but I think that's a great way to pray for your spouse. Thanks sister for sharing that.


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Spitfire Nov 28, 2007

For instance: I knew that my husband had alot of unforgiveness towards his mother. She and her husband travel in a motor home and live in another state. They once came to visit and stayed in a nearby campground for two weeks. My husband refused to visit with them. Anytime his mother called, he would wave his arms and tell me to say he wasn't home. So I prayed about forgiving my/his mother. Shortly after I began to pray this way, his heart towards her changed and he repented to her for his actions. He now visits with her and talks with her on the phone. I knew certain areas that he was in sin and I began to repent and renounce my/his association with those things. I knew that my husband was simply going his own way in life, so I began to repent of my/his pride and selfishness and rebellion. You know the biggest revelation I had as I prayed? That everything he was guilty of, I was too.

I once heard someone preach on intercession and they said that the greatest benefit of intercession is that, whatever you pray in behalf of someone else, you also receive yourself.

Another beautiful thing that I understood as I began to pray for my husband in this way was, I began to really love him and see him in a new way. I didn't see myself as better than him anymore, because I had to identify myself with him in order to truly stand in the gap for him.

Think of things this way: In the realm of the spirit, it is sin which stops us dead in our tracks. We are stuck. We cannot progress spiritually until, through repentance and humbling ourselves to God, we get lifted off of the stumps we are stuck on by God's grace and mercy. As I prayed in my husband's stead, God lifted him off of the stumps in the spirit and set all four wheels onto solid ground. I then began to see my husband move forward spiritually. Where he had behaved like a 13 year old boy for most of our married life, I suddenly saw him begin to respond to situations like an adult. Here's one example from our lives: He wore tshirts and a baseball cap everywhere he went. If the situation called for different attire, he simply wouldn't go. Then, after I began to pray this way for him, suddenly, one day, he said to me, "I need to go shopping. I want to stop wearing tshirts and a baseball cap everywhere I go." Inwardly, I rejoiced. I saw it as a sign that he was unstuck in the spirit. He stills wears tshirts and a baseball cap alot, but he does have dress clothes now, for when he goes somewhere that calls for them.

More later...Dian.

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Spitfire Nov 29, 2007

Since learning of this new way to pray, I now see it as getting the splinter out of someone's eye. It is impossible to pray prayers for someone else in the first person without also removing the splinter from your own eye. I've realized that one of the biggest problems we, so called Christians, have is thinking that we are better than someone else.

God asked Cain, "where is thy brother?" and Cain answered, "Am I my brother's keeper?" The answer to that question is, "Yes." Actually, I am my brother and he is me. Jesus prayed that we would become as one in John 17. How could we continue to condemn one another and hate one another if I see you as me? Would I not take responsibility for your sins and shortcomings as if they were my own? Love,Dian.

sermonindex Nov 29, 2007


HE_Reigns wrote:
Sis, I've been married for 28 years.

There's only one book besides the Bible that I would recommend that any married person read.

It's [url=http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=42827&event=ESRCN]Sacred Marriage By Gary L. Thomas[/url] and any one of his others mentioned on that page.

I heard him interviewed on the radio first and could not believe the depth of understanding of God's Plan that this man held.

Hoping his books will help many others also.

Thanks for that book, I also will check into it. This is one reason why I love SI, the vast knowledge and wisdom that is on here.

sermonindex Nov 29, 2007

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Do I just keep quiet about everything, all the time. Letting my husband do what he wants.

This might surprise you but, for the most part, yes. If you are a reactionary sort the verses above will be quite helpful. Love him, at all times and let the Lord and your prayers deal with the particulars. Study the life of Jesus, especially His reactions.

I agree 100% with you crsschk. It is best to be quiet, probably more for a guy towards his wife. I am one to be to outspoken. It is a fault I have that I have to always say whats on my mind. There are circumstances that qualify for that type of response. But there are times that I must be meek and gentle with my wife. I would like her to be on fire for the Lord. I wonder if her salvation was just a "decision?" I have hurt her in the past with my big mouth, that she now is timid on talking to me about spiritual matters. I can not brow beat her into studying the bible and praying. I have hurt the cause more than anything. I have to give her the space she needs and let God work in her. I first before anything else make sure I am doing what I am to do as a husband. Trust me I have my issues, and just because I may spend more time in prayer and studying, doesn't give me the right, to expect the same from her. All I can do now is stay out of the way, let God do what only He can do.

It is hard to stay quiet, but there is much wisdom in being quiet.

Blessings
Mike

sermonindex Nov 29, 2007


Spitfire wrote:
I knew certain areas that he was in sin and I began to repent and renounce my/his association with those things. I knew that my husband was simply going his own way in life, so I began to repent of my/his pride and selfishness and rebellion.


I don't belive that we can repent of another's sins but when we pray the holy spirit intercedes for us.


Exodus 32:32-34
32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

34Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.


Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

When we are really praying fervently this is when the holy spirit I believe begins interceding. This is the kind of praying that brings about revival.:-)

You are right on about praying in such a way that you are praying for yourself. Maybe the reason we don't pray these heart felt fervent prayers is because the burden is not there. It's not like we don't care but maybe we are just indifferent or overly occupied. :-(

Jesus said we are to love our neighbor AS OURSELF. These are the kinds of prayers that bring about change.

sermonindex Nov 29, 2007


Some time ago, I attended a course on evangelism, run by a local Anglican pastor who is given to teaching.

One of the cleverest things I picked up from his style, was how he dealt with the matter of identifying what sin is. He told us he would ask the class what kind of things [i]other people[/i] do, which upset them, and he would write on the board all the behaviours they mentioned. Then he would say simply:
Well, these are sins.

I see then, in this discussion thread, that this leads directly on to Paul's observations here:

Romans 2
1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for [u]wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself[/u]; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?


It is wonderful that God gives us this opportunity to see more clearly about ourselves, and His mercy, and teaches us a certain compassion.

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Spitfire Nov 30, 2007

I don't belive that we can repent of another's sins but when we pray the holy spirit intercedes for us.

I only know that things began to change rapidly when I began to do this type of prayer that I have described.

Just for the record: I have begun a new thread in scriptures and doctrine asking a question about Matthew 16:18-20: "And I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

This verse was running through my head when I awoke this morning.

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BlessedTina Nov 30, 2007

I just want to say that I am so glad I came across this site. I find the information shared by almost everyon on this thread useful.

Another good site to check out is streamingfaith.com.

God bless you all! :-)

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Spitfire Dec 1, 2007

I've been taught that "strongholds" are established through wrong responses to sin and violation. In other words, we give demonic spirits access to our lives through our own sinful resonses to others or to situations. We, then, are held in captivity and the "key" to that lock is repentance.

Jesus set the example for us of what is the perfect way to respond to sin and violation as a believer, but it is understandable that, as we grow up, we simply respond in the "natural" way, which is to take offense. While this is, of course, natural, we are not to be living "natural" lives, but rather, supernatural. Therefore, to be a person who walks truly "free" (instead of in bondage to a stronghold), one must repent, especially if the bondage we are presently in is due to someone else's "wrong".

I've been thinking alot about how I've come to believe that I could help my husband to freedom through repenting on his behalf. I [i]know[/i] that this was the "key" to unlocking his chains. He, then, was able to make right choices of his own free will, wheras, before anyone was praying in this way for him, he was in utter bondage and darkness. He could not see his own need to repent. He felt justified in the way he was living. Someone (me) had to come and let in some light and loosen the chains. In the same way that an earthly prisoner cannot deliver themselves, a spiritual prisoner cannot deliver their self. Someone must come with a key.

I believe that the verse from Matthew which was running through my head yesterday morning actually was God showing me that this is true.

I'm sure that there are those who will say that this is hogwash and "unscriptural", but to them who have an ear, let them hear.

I know without a doubt that I have stumbled (by God's grace) onto a truth that is changing my life and the lives of those around me. Love, Dian.

sermonindex Dec 1, 2007

I see truth in what you've said Dian.

The Prophets would include themselves when they'd repent before God 'for' the people.

That is the opposite of the Pharisees who thought they were 'perfect' and looked down on all else as they'd pray.

As soon as one thinks they are better than someone else - they will expose 'them' - even in public - just as the those who thought they were without sin or were perfect did to others, in Jesus' time.

The men or women "after God's own heart" always saw their own sin - making it difficult to point at another - as the true prophets did, when they prayed "WE" have sinned against Thee.

Most every time that we are annoyed with another - it's God trying to show us what is wrong with ourselves.
God Bless.

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