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Spitfire Nov 30, 2007

I awoke this morning with this scripture running through my head: [i][color=0066FF] "And I will give unto you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Matthew 16:18-20[/color][/i]

Having come from the prosperity gospel, I was taught that this applied to every believer. Jesus, in this passage, was speaking to Peter. I have often spoken into the spirit, out loud, and declared things loosed or bound. I couldn't find much in the Bible commentary I looked at. Anyone have insight concerning this scripture?

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Spitfire Nov 30, 2007

While we are on this topic of scriptures I was taught that applied to me in the "prosperity gospel", I'd like to also look at the idea that was presented to me that I have the same authority as Jesus Christ. I was taught that I am a joint heir with Jesus and therefore all things that he enjoys as the Son of God, I also enjoy.

One scripture, in particular that seems to be a part of my foundation is this one from Hebrews 2:9, [i][color=0066FF]"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood..."[/color][/i]

I was taught that I am a priest unto God. What think ye of these things?

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enid Nov 30, 2007

I can tell this will be one of those threads that will run, because much has been said concerning this subject, and there is more yet to say.

I looked up the words bind and loose in the dictionary, here's what I got.

Bind - tie or fasten tightly, restrain, put in bonds, constrict, obstruct.

Loose - not or no longer held by bonds or restraint, not confined, detached, not held together or contained or fixed.

I think we get the message.

This scripture is repeated in Matthew 18v18 which is followed by 'Again, I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven'

The context in which Jesus uses this verse differs in both scriptures, which shows it's valid in any situation pertaining to the church.

Notice in both scriptures, in mentions the church in the context that it is used.

As for binding and loosing that is so prevalent in some circles, in my eyes, it's little more than a mantra that is used by those who have heard about it, yet don't understand what they are doing.

And when I say mantra, I mean it.

If it worked so well, how come we see what we see going on in the world and in the church?

How come every demon hasn't been bound by now, whatever that means.

I've seen people work themselves up with all the binding and loosing, and nothing changes in their lives or whatever it was they were binding. And I'm talking about years down the line.

We need to focus on the Cross.

God bless.

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enid Nov 30, 2007

If we have the same authority as Jesus Christ, that means we can all walk on water, right?

The scripture you refer to should be 1 Peter 2v9.

You know what, there is great need for humility in this area.

We became partakers because Israel were disobedient. And also, we were called out of darkness. Nothing to glory about!

It says in Revelation 5v10, 'And have made us kings and priests to our God, and we shall reign on the earth'.

However, the part, 'reign on the earth' refers to the thousand year reign of Christ, and to those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus, Rev 20v4.

That's it.

God bless.

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Spitfire Nov 30, 2007

If we have the same authority as Jesus Christ, that means we can all walk on water, right?

Are we not supposed to walk on water? Jesus told Peter to come to him and then rebuked him when he sank for "little faith". I'm just wondering if we are supposed to search our faith to see if we are really in it? To be honest, my entire theology cart has been upset over the past 3 years and I want to be careful that I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Love, Dian.

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enid Nov 30, 2007

I wasn't being serious when I said about walking on water. I hope you understand that.

I only said that because I heard a pastor who knew this woman who believed a man was Jesus.

The pastor told her if he really is Jesus, tell him to walk on water. She never returned to the church.

Our minds are being attacked by the enemy all the time. He will cause us to question God's word, as he did Eve in Eden, hence the mess we are in today. It worked.

Eph 6v16 talks about the firey darts of the wicked one, which we use the sheild of faith to quench.

Either we believe God or we do not. Whose right, God, or the man God created?

I know we will hear questionable teaching. It's good if you question it, instead of accepting everything everyone says, no matter who it is.

Maybe that is why some go astray, by accepting teachings without even testing it by the word of God.

At least you still have a theology. Trust God.

God bless.

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Sharlene Nov 30, 2007


These are spirits that are STRAIGHT OUT OF THE WORD OF GOD. I hope that they post right without been jumbled up. If they all run together I can send them as an attach if anyone is interested.

We can bind and loose these spirits over us, property etc. We do have the authority over all things/spirits through Jesus Christ and His Blood. Amen!


BIND

LK
13:11

SPIRIT OF INFIRMITY
LK 13:11 SPIRIT OF WEAKNESS
1JN
4:3 SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST
11 TIM 1:7 SPIRIT OF FEAR
MK 9:25 DEAF SPIRIT
ISA 19:14 PERVERSE SPIRIT
MK
9:25 DUMB SPIRIT
1 SAM 1:15 SORROWFUL SPIRIT
MATT 9:27 BLIND SPIRIT
ROM 11:8 SPIRIT OF SLUMBER
MK 9:25
Rev 18:2

SPIRIT FOUL
Hos 5:4 SPIRIT OF WHOREDOMS
MT. 12:43, MK. 1:23, 26; 3:30, 5:2, 8; 7:25 UNCLEAN SPIRIT
DEUT
13:15 DESTROYING SPIRIT
ACTS 16:16 SPIRIT OF DEVANTION
II COR
11:4 ANOTHER SPIRIT
ROM 8:15 SPIRIT OF BONDAGE
PROV 14:29 HASTY OF SPIRIT
EX 23:1 FALSE DOCTRINE
NUM 5:14 JEALOUS OF SPIRIT
I JN 4:6 SPIRIT OF ERROR
PROV 16:18 HAUGHTY SPIRIT
I TIM 4:1 SEDUCING SPIRIT
1 KING 21:5 SAD SPIRIT
PROV. 18:14 WOUNDED SPIRIT
I KINGS 22:22, -23; II CH. 18:21-22

SPIRIT LYING
ECC 7:8 PROUD SPIRIT
ISA 4:4 SPIRIT OF BURNING
LEV. 20:27; I SAM. 28:7-8; I CH. 10:13; II CH. 33:16

FAMILIAR SPIRIT
ISA 19:13 SPIRIT OF EGYPT
ISA 61:3
SPIRIT OF HEAVINESS
LK 4:33 SPIRIT OF UNCLEAN DEVIL
I COR 2:12 SPIRIT OF THE WORLD

JUDGES 9:23;I SAM. 16:14, 23; 18:10; 19:9 EVIL SPIRIT


LOOSE

EX 28:3 SPIRIT OF WISDOM

MT 5:23 POOR IN SPIRIT

GEN 1:2 SPIRIT OF GOD

MT 10:20 SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER

JUD
3:10 SPIRIT OF THE LORD

LK
1:30 STRONG IN SPIRIT

PSALM 51:10 RIGHT SPIRIT

JN 14:17 SPIRIT OF TRUTH

PSALM 51:17 HOLY SPIRIT

ROM 8:2 SPIRIT OF LIFE

ROM
51:17 BROKEN SPIRIT
Rom 8:15

SPIRIT OF ADOPTION
PSALM 76:12 SPIRIT OF PRINCES


ROM 12:11 FERVENT IN SPIRIT PRO 11:13 FAITHFUL SPIRIT

I COR 4:21 SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS

PRO 16:19 HUMBLE SPIRIT

II COR 4:13 SPIRIT OF FAITH

PRO 17:27 EXCELLENT SPIRIT

PHIL 1:19 SPIRIT OF JESUS

PRO 20:27 SPIRIT OF MAN

HEB 9:14 ETERNAL SPIRI

ECC 7:8 PATIENT IN SPIRIT

I PET 3:4 MEEK IN SPIRIT

I PET 3:4 QUIET IN SPIRIT

ECC 10:4 SPIRIT OF THE RULER

I PET 4:14 SPIRIT OF GLORY

ISA 4:4 SPIRIT OF JUDGEMENT

REV 19:10 SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

ISA 11:2 SPIRIT OF UNDERSTANDING

II KINGS 2:15 SPIRIT OF ELIJAH

ISA 11:2 SPIRIT OF COUNSEL

ISA 11:2 SPIRIT MIGHT

PSALM 34:18 CONTRITE SPIRIT

ISA 11:2 SPIRIT OF KNOWLEDGE

PSALM 143:10 GOOD SPIRIT
EZEK 11:19 NEW SPIRIT

ISA 29:10 SPIRIT OF DEEP SLEEP

ZEC 12:10 SPIRIT OF SUPPLICATION

ZEC. 12:10; HEB. 10:29

SPIRIT OF GRACE ROM 1:4 SPIRIT OF HOLINESS ROM 8:9
SPIRIT OF CHRIST I COR 15:45 QUICKENING SPIRIT PSALM 51:12
FREE SPIRIT

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enid Nov 30, 2007

I've found out over the years, that it is better to spend the time with God, than to concern myself with evil spirits.

They are real, but I've seen people distracted with 'demonology' as opposed to focusing on God.

God does not tell His people to seek Him for nothing.

God bless.

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Sharlene Nov 30, 2007

Dear Enid,

I agree with you, balance is a must. Maybe you didn't look at the whole list that I posted. If you scroll down you will find a list of Godly Spirits as well. I believe praying the following over ourselves and others is very profitable.

Here they are again

LOOSE

EX 28:3 SPIRIT OF WISDOM

MT 5:23 POOR IN SPIRIT

GEN 1:2 SPIRIT OF GOD

MT 10:20 SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER

JUD 3:10 SPIRIT OF THE LORD

LK 1:30 STRONG IN SPIRIT

PSALM 51:10 RIGHT SPIRIT

JN 14:17 SPIRIT OF TRUTH

PSALM 51:17 HOLY SPIRIT

ROM 8:2 SPIRIT OF LIFE

ROM 51:17 BROKEN SPIRIT

Rom 8:15 SPIRIT OF ADOPTION

PSALM 76:12 SPIRIT OF PRINCES

ROM 12:11 FERVENT IN SPIRIT

PRO 11:13 FAITHFUL SPIRIT

I COR 4:21 SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS

PRO 16:19 HUMBLE SPIRIT

II COR 4:13 SPIRIT OF FAITH

PRO 17:27 EXCELLENT SPIRIT

PHIL 1:19 SPIRIT OF JESUS

PRO 20:27 SPIRIT OF MAN

HEB 9:14 ETERNAL SPIRI

ECC 7:8 PATIENT IN SPIRIT

I PET 3:4 MEEK IN SPIRIT

I PET 3:4 QUIET IN SPIRIT

ECC 10:4 SPIRIT OF THE RULER

I PET 4:14 SPIRIT OF GLORY

ISA 4:4 SPIRIT OF JUDGEMENT

REV 19:10 SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

ISA 11:2 SPIRIT OF UNDERSTANDING

II KINGS 2:15 SPIRIT OF ELIJAH

ISA 11:2 SPIRIT OF COUNSEL

ISA 11:2 SPIRIT MIGHT

PSALM 34:18 CONTRITE SPIRIT

ISA 11:2 SPIRIT OF KNOWLEDGE

PSALM 143:10 GOOD SPIRIT

EZEK 11:19 NEW SPIRIT

ISA 29:10 SPIRIT OF DEEP SLEEP

ZEC 12:10 SPIRIT OF SUPPLICATION

ZEC. 12:10; HEB. 10:29 SPIRIT OF GRACE

ROM 1:4 SPIRIT OF HOLINESS

ROM 8:9 SPIRIT OF CHRIST

I COR 15:45 QUICKENING SPIRIT

PSALM 51:12 FREE SPIRIT


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moreofHim Nov 30, 2007

Hi Dian,

What I have learned the last couple of years from the bible commentaries and from good bible teachers is that these verses are are taken out of context most of the time- including the similar verse in Matthew 18:18 about binding and loosing. If you read the surrounding verses and see what was going on in the situation, i think they are talking more about discipline- church discipline type things- not about binding and and loosing spirits. It is funny now to see how often I catch someone trying to quote those verses using the wrong context, but now that i know and go back and read the actual context (especially regarding Matt. 18:18 and the surrounding verses)and what was going on in those verses- it is very obvious :)

The following is some info from different commentaries as well as a teaching from John Macarthur.

[b]John Gill[/b](this was the preacher who pastored Charles Spurgeons' church before Charles Spurgeon)

And whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, shall be loosed in heaven.

This also is not to be understood of binding, or loosing men's sins, by laying on, or taking off censures, and excommunications; but only of doctrines, or declarations of what is lawful and unlawful, free, or prohibited to be received, or practised; in which sense the words, (rtwmw rwoa) , "bound and loosed", are used in the Talmudic writings, times without number, for that which is forbidden and declared to be unlawful, and for that which is free of use, and pronounced to be so: in multitudes of places we read of one Rabbi (rowa) , "binding", and of another (rytm) , "loosing"; thousands, and ten thousands of instances of this kind might be produced; a whole volume of extracts on this head might be compiled. Dr. Lightfoot has transcribed a great many, sufficient to satisfy any man, and give him the true sense of these phrases; and after him to mention any other is needless; yet give me leave to produce one, as it is short, and full, and explains these phrases, and points at the persons that had this power, explaining (Ecclesiastes 12:11) and that clause in it, "masters of the assemblies".
``these (say they F20) are the disciples of the wise men, who sit in different collections, and study in the law; these pronounce things or persons defiled, and these pronounce things or persons clean, (Nyrytm Nllhw Nyrowa) (wllh) , "these bind, and these loose"; these reject, or pronounce persons or things profane, and these declare them right.''
And a little after,

``get thyself an heart to hear the words of them that pronounce unclean, and the words of them that pronounce clean; the words of them (Nyrowa) , that "bind", and the words of them (Nyrytm) , that "loose"; the words of them that reject, and the words of them that declare it right''

But Christ gave a greater power of binding and loosing, to his disciples, than these men had, and which they used to better purpose. The sense of the words is this, that Peter, and so the rest of the apostles, should be empowered with authority from him, and so directed by his Holy Spirit, that whatever they bound, that is, declared to be forbidden, and unlawful, should be so: and that whatever they loosed, that is, declared to be lawful, and free of use, should be so; and accordingly they bound some things which before were loosed, and loosed some things which before were bound; for instance, they bound, that is, prohibited, or declared unlawful, the use of circumcision, which before, and until the death of Christ, was enjoined the natural seed of Abraham; but that, and all ceremonies, being abolished by the death of Christ, they declared it to be nothing, and of no avail, yea, hurtful and pernicious; that whoever was circumcised, Christ profited him nothing, and that he was a debtor to do the whole law: they affirmed, that the believing Gentiles were not to be troubled with it; that it was a yoke not fit to be put upon their necks, which they, and their fathers, were not able to bear, (Galatians 5:1,3,6) (Acts 15:10,19) . They bound, or forbid the observance of days, months, times, and years; the keeping holy days, new moons, and sabbaths, which had been used in the Jewish church for ages past; such as the first day of the new year, and of every month, the day of atonement, the feasts of the passover, pentecost, and tabernacles, the jubilee year, the sabbatical year, and seventh day sabbath, (Galatians 4:9,10) (Colossians 2:16,17) . They loosed, or declared lawful and free, both civil and religious conversation between Jews and Gentiles; whereas, before, the Jews had no dealings with the Gentiles, nor would not enter into their houses, nor keep company with them, would have no conversation with them; neither eat, nor drink with them; but now it was determined and declared, that no man should be called common, or unclean; and that in Christ Jesus, and in his church, there is no distinction of Jew and Gentile, (Acts 10:28) (11:2,3,18) (Galatians 3:28) . They also loosed, or pronounced lawful, the eating of any sort of food, without distinction, even that which was before counted common and unclean, being persuaded by the Lord Jesus Christ, by the words he said, (Matthew 15:11) . They asserted, that there is nothing unclean of itself; and that the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; or that true religion does not lie in the observance of those things; that every creature of God is good, and fit for food, and nothing to be refused, or abstained from, on a religious account, provided it be received with thanksgiving, (Romans 14:14,17) (1 Timothy 4:4) . And these things now being by them bound or loosed, pronounced unlawful or lawful, are confirmed as such by the authority of God, and are so to be considered by us.

[b]John Wesley[/b]

I will give thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven - Indeed not to him alone, (for they were equally given to all the apostles at the same time, 20:21,22,23;) but to him were first given the keys both of doctrine and discipline. He first, after our Lord's resurrection, exercised the apostleship, Acts 1:15. And he first by preaching opened the kingdom ofheaven, both to the Jews, Acts 2:14&c., and to the Gentiles, Acts 10:34&c. Under the term of binding and loosing are contained all those acts of discipline which Peter and his brethren performed as apostles: and undoubtedly what they thus performed on earth, God confirmed in heaven. 18:18.

[b]Matthew Henry[/b]

"Your business shall be to explain to the world the will of God, both as to truth and duty; and for this you shall have your commissions, credentials, and full instructions to bind and loose:’’ these, in the common speech of the Jews, at that time, signified to prohibit and permit; to teach or declare a thing to be unlawful was to bind; to be lawful, was to loose. Now the apostles had an extraordinary power of this kind; some things forbidden by the law of Moses were now to be allowed, as the eating of such and such meats; some things allowed there were now to be forbidden, as divorce; and the apostles were empowered to declare this to the world, and men might take it upon their words.

You can find more commentaries at Crosswalk.com :)

[b]John Macarthur[/b]

THE AUTHORITY OF ALL BELIEVERS (v. 19)
"I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. "

Here Christ was giving the disciples authority to approve (to bind) or disapprove (to loose) the actions of others. Christ spoke of that same authority in John 20:23: "Whosoever's sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosoever's sins ye retain, they are retained. " In Matthew 18:18 Christ gave the entire church that authority by saying, "Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. " So the kind of authority Christ spoke about in Matthew 16 was given not only to Peter and the other apostles, but also to every believer.

A. Based on God's Word
All believers have that authority because God's Word reveals to us the kind of behavior God approves or disapproves of. So if you ask a man if he has received Christ as his Lord and Savior and he says yes, you can say, "Your sins are forgiven. " But if says no you can say, "Your sins aren't forgiven. " Similarly, we can say to others, "It's wrong to do that!" If what we say is based on God's Word--not on a person's title, office, human worthiness, or intelligence--we know it will concur with what's said in heaven. Because God's Word is our authority, it's important that we not compromise the truth it teaches.

B. Exercised in the Church
God has entrusted the Word to His church so it might shine as a light in the world (Matt. 5:14). When the church upholds the Word, the Lord's will is done on earth as it is in heaven (Matt. 6:9). That way the church serves as a divine pattern for the lost world to see. It has a responsibility to tell the lost about sin, righteousness, and judgment. By telling them what God's Word says, they will hear what heaven says.

Because God has given His Word to the church, the church is His authority in the world. With such divine authority, there's no need to worry about the world's reaction to the gospel message. Even though many will reject Christ, the church must never compromise the truth. Upholding the standard of His Word will bring Him the glory He deserves.


Hope this helps a bit.

Blessings, Chanin

sermonindex Nov 30, 2007

The ability to walk on water if Jesus told you to is not just literal. Walking on water can also be spiritual.

There are things that God may ask you to do but He will always equip you to do it. God will never asks you to do anything you are not equipped to do.

For instance if you look at some of the suffering other christians are going through around the world you may say "I could never endure that". I'm sure at one point they may have said the same thing but God's grace is more than sufficient to carry you through any storm in your life.

Peter lost faith when he took his eyes off Jesus and looked down at his circumstances.


Matthew 14:29-31
29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.

30But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

sermonindex Dec 1, 2007

Hi all

This is an interesting and important subject.

No time to look it up but if I remember rightly the main Gospel context of this is forgiving someone who has wronged you.

Something that helped me understand what this "binding and loosing" is when it was pointed out that in the original it literally means "what you bind on earth [b][i]shall have been bound[/i][/b] in heaven. I checked, and it actually is the true meaning of the original.

Prosperity and wof preachers claim that heaven follows our lead, if we declare something or someone bound or loosed then Heaven will ratify our word. The true meaning is the other way around. If something has [i][b]already[/b][/i] been bound or loosed in heaven then we have permission to declare heaven's judgment on earth with heaven's (that is God's) authority.

Have you ever tried to pray for somethiung or someone and met with a complete blank - you struggle to find even words, and the heavens seem as brass? Yet there are also times when the prayer suddenly bursts through with such authority and power that you know God is in it! That is when Heaven has already spoken the Word.

[i]Our[/i] words have no power, but [i]His[/i] Word has. It makse no difference if He speaks it directly, through the pages of Scripture, or through us. His Word does not return to Him empty, our words are but empty wind without His Spirit. He moves where HE wills, not where we will.

Blessings

Jeannette

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Christinyou Dec 2, 2007

Amen Jeannette,

It cannot be done on earth as it is in heaven unless it originates in heaven

In Christ, originated in heaven: Phillip

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Christinyou Dec 2, 2007

If my brother sins against and I forgive him, that is what is loosed from heaven because that is what God has done for us.

This is the essence of the verse :18

Forgiven from heaven and birthed in Christ: which is loosed on earth Phillip

sermonindex Dec 3, 2007

Greetings all,

glorytoglory said

Peter lost faith when he took his eyes off Jesus and looked down at his circumstances.
I've been reading this thread with interest and learning a bit.

I don't know if this talk by Ron Bailey, which I have not yet heard through, will cover some of what was on Dian's mind when she posted the thread, but it claims to cover the breaking of bondage to fear.

[url=http://mp3.biblebase.com/details_35.html]David and Goliath[/url]

If anyone listens to it, please would you post on whether binding and loosing gets a mention, and if so, how it is explained? Thanks.

sermonindex Dec 3, 2007

The concept of "binding and loosing" is taught in Matthew 16:19 and 18:18, "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

In this verse, Jesus is speaking directly to the Apostle Peter, and indirectly to the other apostles. Jesus' words meant that Peter would have the right to enter the kingdom himself, would have general authority therein symbolized by the possession of the keys, and preaching the gospel would be the means of opening the kingdom of heaven to all believers and shutting it against unbelievers.

The book of Acts shows us this process at work. By his sermon on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:14-40), Peter opened the door of the kingdom for the first time. The expressions "bind" and "loose" were common to Jewish legal phraseology meaning to declare forbidden or to declare allowed.

Peter and the other disciples were to continue on earth the work of Christ in preaching the gospel and declaring God's will to men, and were armed with the same authority as He Himself possessed.

In Matthew 18, there is also a definite reference to the binding and loosing of church discipline. The apostles do not usurp Christ's lordship and authority over individual believers and their eternal destiny, but they do exercise the authority to discipline and, if necessary, excommunicate disobedient church members.

Christ in heaven ratifies what is done in His name and in obedience to His Word on earth. In both Matthew 16:19 and 18:18, the syntax of the Greek text makes the meaning clear. What you bind on earth will already have been bound in Heaven. What you loose on earth will already have been loosed in Heaven.

In other words, Jesus in heaven, looses the authority of His Word as it goes forth on earth for the fulfillment of its purpose.


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psalm1 Dec 3, 2007

I would like to add that this subject is first mentioned in ch 16;19 and it is prefaced by "I will give thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven"
Also...."the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church"
I dont see a direct connection to foregiveness with binding and loosing in chapter 18.
I counted 8 diff subjects before he says binding and loosing. Then the next sentance is .."If 2 on earth shall agree as touching anything that they ask it shall be done for them of my father which is in heaven."
Binding is restricting and loosing is allowing.
Notice 3 references to earth and heaven
No longer do we have an earthly priesthood but have been given the keys,or access to heaven.
this combined with the authority of that name,Jesus,we have confidence when we pray that whatever we pray for will be done.
and some broken down gate of hell wont stop the power of God.
So lets find some things to disallow and some things to allow and change the world we live in.
...David

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Christinyou Dec 5, 2007

This is what comes down from above, and this is what our prayers should be centered on.

John 16:21-28 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. ((((((Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.))))) These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Ask for material things is asking amiss because your heavenly Father knows what you need before you even ask. Don't ask amiss or you won't receive.

This not only includes material possessions but also where you go and what you do, It is God that gives of His pleasure, not ours.

James 4:1-17 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. (((((Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.))))) Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. (((((Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.)))))

Don't ask with wrong motives or it is sin.

Ask aright and you will receive.

In Christ: Phillip

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dohzman Dec 5, 2007

I believe praying the following over ourselves and others is very profitable.

That's witch craft. We come against invisiable forces through prayer & resisting & dieing to ourselves, as concerning our prayers for others we lift them up to the Lord and ask Him to bless them or do what ever the Holy Spirit lays on our hearts to do. We in no way can create a type of spiritual atmosphere around us or others by our pronouncements of binding or loosing almost like casting a spell, placed as in the setting above it is New Age and witchcraft in its practice.
When the Bible talks about spirit of understanding or spirit of.....fill in the blank....unless it's describing an attribute of God what it means is a dispositional trait or characteristic. Lord work in me a spirit of.... or a character of kindness...meekness etc....We don't recieve **ZAP**!!suddenly a spirit of anything, the Holy Spirit is enough, we have the fullness of the God in us already, we love to crate ways to circumvent the cross in its development of our character. There is no short cut to simply asking God for grace to help in a time of need. I'll post a seperate application to these principles found in Matt 16 and 18.

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Spitfire Dec 7, 2007

Daryl said,

That's witch craft. We come against invisiable forces through prayer & resisting & dieing to ourselves, as concerning our prayers for others we lift them up to the Lord and ask Him to bless them or do what ever the Holy Spirit lays on our hearts to do.

When I began this thread, I was also writing in another thread in general topics called, "Ungodly husband?" I have shared some things there about interceding for my husband and I had awakened one morning recently and had this scripture running through my head. I had been searching for the scriptural basis for the way that the Lord had taught me to pray and believe that this verse on binding and loosing was it.

We come against invisiable forces through prayer & resisting & dieing to ourselves, as concerning our prayers for others we lift them up to the Lord and ask Him to bless them or do what ever the Holy Spirit lays on our hearts to do.

What I did and what I feel the Lord taught me to do was to pray in my husband's stead in repentance and renouncing my/his association with ungodly things. I believe it was a key in loosing my husband from some strongholds that were keeping him from seeing some things he
needed to see. He was, after all, dead in his sins (not being born again at the time I began to do this). I literally "represented" him in prayers of repentance and the darkness and bondage began to lift. I think, for those who want to understand what I'm trying to say a bit better, you should go and read the other thread. Love, Dian.

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