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Mattie Dec 3, 2007

Why do so many open air preachers look so angry? Isn't it Glad Tidings and Good News? I'm not putting every open air preacher in the same category, but most that I see tend to have an angry spirit that calls down fire from heaven rather than lead men to the risen Christ.

Jesus tended to be more harsh with the religious than He was with the lost. Isaiah says "a bruised reed He will not break". I agree with sharing the law before proclaiming the Gospel, but some people may already be under the law and don't need that. Interacting with the lost is important vs. speaking AT them. Any thoughts??

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MisterCheez Dec 3, 2007

I've noticed this as well. It is easy to preach in anger or condemnation - making mankind feel guilty is not difficult. Preaching God' wrath, anger and judgment is not child's play - we must be sure we have the heart of the Lord for any given situation.

Preaching the Good News and the grace of God is even more challenging because we are so afraid of accidentally representing grace as a license to sin. But are we willing to represent grace point where people ask, "so shall we go on sinning so that grace might increase?" - which is what the apostle Paul did.

So man must realize his guilt before God and also God's forgiveness in Christ. The worst application of this angry preaching is in a congregation of converted believers. Some pastors continue to lash their congregations about their wretchedness, sinfulness and unworthiness. In my mind, this is wrong since they are new creations and no longer enemies of God. It's "Sinners in the Hands of An Angry God" not "Saints".

Generally, from personal experience, constantly preaching a hard word seems to be a hallmark of immaturity. The preacher needs to hear what the Spirit is saying, not default to condemnation because it produces results. Results don't mean success when they are driven by condemnation - that is a tool of Satan. And produce unhealthy relationships, fear and even bitterness.

Dave Wilkerson would be a good example of a healthy minister who tends to give some mature, hard words as directed by the Holy Spirit.

my two cents
Brian

sermonindex Dec 3, 2007

Alot of open air preachers seem to have a hard time finding that middle ground or narrow road. I know of a few though that have a very good balance of law and grace.

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PreachParsly Dec 3, 2007

Why do so many open air preachers look so angry? Isn't it Glad Tidings and Good News? I'm not putting every open air preacher in the same category, but most that I see tend to have an angry spirit that calls down fire from heaven rather than lead men to the risen Christ.

What do you mean by looking angry? I really don't know how to answer this since I don't know of an example to what you are referring to.

Do you mean they don't have a smile on their face? Or that they give the hearers no hope? They preach on repentance a lot? Because they are loud?

sermonindex Dec 3, 2007

Thank you Mistercheez that was a very good balanced reply.

A lot of preachers today are in the same boat, they either have never met Jesus or they only heard of Him. We shouldn't fault these men for doing what they are doing. (It takes boldness to stand up there. While no one sees it, but your sweating under your clothes, and your legs might be shaking a bit)

I know of a friend of mine who is very eloquent in the scripures, knows them like the back of his hand, BUT he lacks the understanding of those scriptures. You can have a knowledge of a thing, without the understanding all your doing is shooting blanks.

Take for example Apollos.

Acts 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
It was very good that there were bold ministers there that cared enough to take another brother aside to show him the way more perfectly. There was something lacking in his preaching that needed intervention. He was mighty in the scriptures, and he held crusades in every city that he went to. He heard about the LORD thru the preaching of John but never met Him. No doubt what Priscilla & Aquila were expounding was the holy Spirit baptism. Paul met another group from the same town having only the baptism of John on their lips, he expounded that they should believe on Him that should come after, Jesus.

sermonindex Dec 3, 2007

I like the way Ray Comfort does it. He uses the Law to show mans need for salvation... yet does it without being overbearing and obnoxious.

A lot of people have confused boldness with obnoxiousness.

Krispy

sermonindex Dec 3, 2007

I remember when my daughter was just a small child, she was playing on our front porch one day. I had instructed her to stay on the front porch and not be near the street. Later as I checked she was no where in site. She had crossed the street to the neighbor's house to play with her friend. She was not old enough to be successful in instructing on how to cross the street when traffic was coming. Many on our street drove about 50 MPH in a 35. My actions in her eyes at that time I'm sure seemed to be anger, but it was profound love and instructions. She is no longer a small child but a 120 lb. hardly 5 foot tall police officer with a bullet proof vest on patrol. I can no longer give her that type protection, but I do sometimes anger her greatly with open air preaching. This teaching and preaching I should have done when she was growing up. It can assure you, it is not out of anger, but profound love for her. Could this explain your question?
You show me a church service that doesn't have a bunch of lost people in the service and only saints present and I'll show you a church that is turning the world upside down for the cause of Christ.

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BenWilliams Dec 3, 2007

I have found a man on youtube that does open air preaching, and he is one of the best I have seen, along with ray comfort. He is very balanced in how he acts, and what he says.

Although, if you do a simple search on youtube for street preaching, you will find that "angry spirit" that you are talking about.

If anyone wants links, then I will pm them to you, I think there was a request a number of months back not to link in posts to youtube.

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Smokey Dec 4, 2007


It has been my experience that the most angry and critical people in a street preaching encounter are the "church people" who wag fingers in your face because you dared to call someone a sinner, and tell them that hell is a real place where they WILL go without a relationship with Christ our Redeemer.
We are usually pretty loud due to the fact that we are usually speaking above the noise of the traffic, bars, and the people hurling insults at us.
We speak with URGENCY because we only have seconds to get peoples attention, and they may never again have the opportunity to stop and hear the gospel. In the situation that our team is in, we spend a lot of time speaking one on one with those that stop and confront us, or just ask questions.
I believe that I would rather stand before God and explain why I was speaking loudly, and urgently to a lost and dying soul, than explain walking away from a street preacher angry at his presentation, and running off to gossip about it with anyone that would listen.

Blessings Greg :-o

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RobertW Dec 4, 2007

Street preaching is a very challenging form of ministry. Most of the time you are dealing with [i]careless sinners[/i]. How can one get a 'careless' sinner into an 'awakened' state without some serious preaching?

The challenge in street preaching is the same as it is in sharing the Gospel cold turkey in any setting; at work or at school, etc. The difference is that you rarely can preach directly to people one on one. In any case, the person has to have an encounter with God (as it were). God works these things out when we are obedient to do what He has called us to do.

I think at times it is better to preach in a spot that allows the people to come to you as opposed to finding a group that are in a place and preaching to them. This is what John the Baptist did. The people went out to him. I think it is better to 'draw' a crowd than to 'bomb' a crowd (as it were). Just my observation.

(Philippians 1:14, 15) And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will.

Envy and strife are sometimes motivation for speaking boldly. Strife is the word that grabs me. It means for the sake of 'debate'. Some people like a good debate. But winning arguments does not always win souls. People have to see the truth by [i]revelation[/i]. God has to reveal it.

What then? notwithstanding, [u]every way[/u], whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

I have to believe that even those that we may assume are acting out in anger, etc. are doing good if they preach Christ. In some cases, if not most cases, those street preachers are on the front lines of a world gone crazy in sin. Some people have to be met right where they are.

Some people will have a better plan no matter what you do to preach on the streets. Why? Many are so timid thatthey are embarassed by seeing a group on the streets and rather than backing them- they denounce them. This is a sad case. How I react when I see a street preach is a real spiritual barometer for me. Am I glad to see it? Does my heart leap in joy? Or does it recoil in shame? Depending on how 'in' with the world we are- we will react to the presentation of God accordingly.

I have preached and been in street outreaches that were sorely radical. I actually played a dead man in a real coffin once with the casket laying outside the hurst with gang members driving and walking by. The prophets would eat dung cakes or lay on their sides at times. We have not seen that yet? This is a world that has gone insane with sin. God help everyone that is willing to step out in front of this runaway train and rebuke it before it's too late. God gave Ezekiel a face like a flint. What does that mean? Most of these people have heard the Gospel a hundred times.

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KingJimmy Dec 4, 2007

If all I did was preach on hell and sin all day, I'd be angry too! But thank God we are not called to preach on hell and sin all day-- as much as those things must be preached on. Rather, according to Peter, we were called out of darkness to PROCLAIM the excellencies of His marvelous light. It's hard to proclaim Him and His excellencies and be hotter than a fire cracker.

The simple reason many street preachers have an angry spirit about them is because they really don't preach Christ. They preach on a lot of other things... some which are Biblical. But they don't proclaim Him.

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ChrisJD Dec 4, 2007

Hi everyone.


I noticed something tonight. I thought it might be appropriate here.

"Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?"

- John chapter 1 verse 22(KJV)

[i]...to them that sent us[/i]

"Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying,


[b][color=660000]Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me. [/color][/b]


- John chapter 7 verses 28-29(KJV)

[i]...and he hath sent me[/i]

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wildhorse86 Dec 4, 2007

I like the way Ray Comfort does it. He uses the Law to show mans need for salvation... yet does it without being overbearing and obnoxious.

Actually, I have found his teaching to be a bit patronising at times, sometimes the way he speaks to people. However at times, he does raise good points.

I just don't think he is a model preacher.
What he says is correct, but sometimes I think the way he presents it is wrong, his approach probably wouldn't work too well in Australia, or more specifically the area my church is based in, it has been tried with mainly negative effect. You would get a smack in the face for preaching like that.

One thing Comfort seems to imply though, is that the gospel has to be preached one way, and one way only. Depending where the person is at, is how we go about a message of hope. I wasn't converted because of hellfire and brimstone or having the law preached to me. Is my conversion false?

Michael

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CJaKfOrEsT Dec 4, 2007

Just a couple of observations from my own experience from being involved in an open air team. I have noticed that few people preach the whole gospel, and the rest are oblivious to the fact. Some will preach the Law, but neglect the Cross. When preaching the Cross, they neglect the Resurrection, preaching Repentance without Regeneration.

It would seem that many are focusing so much on the "technical ability" and "proper content" of preaching, than living in the experience they preach of. The sad result is that they see themselves as mere "Enforcers of the Law", than as "Heralds of the New Covenant". This is an understandable conclusion to reach considering the nature of open air work. It is often thankless and attracts much opposition. In a culture that expects results proportionate to efforts, open air preaching appears to be a waste of time, and the one who is not secure in his relationship with God will seek a reason for preaching that will justify the expenditure of his time.

This thread stood out to me because I recently noticed this angry streak in a friend of mine as he preached. To answer Krispy, anger isn't defined by volume, volabulary, or facial features, but by attitude. There is a preaching that pleads with people and there is a preaching that merely tells people off. I realise that God can do anything He pleases, and nothing can truly limit Him, but I find it hard to see how anything but the "sorrow of the world", which leads to death, rather than "godly sorrow" that leads to repentance. As I watched my friend preach, doing little but offend, something that a heckler said hit a nerve, and I suddenly heard a tone of hurt in his voice. At this point the mouths of his hearers were silenced, and his words were heard.

I am reminded of Reidhead speaking of Whitfield "sobbing like a baby" as he preached in Ten Shekels and a Shirt, and Jesus words "Forgive them Father. They don't not what they're doing." Open air preachers would be wise to remember that God desires that "none shall perish, but all shall come to repentance". I personally see my job as a preacher as parting the veil of eternity a fraction so as to give sinners a peek inside. It is a patient labour of leading people from the "seen realm" to the "unseen realm".

It is a strong temptation for the open air preacher to slip into legalism. This is the result of overemphasis of the Law, apart from a firm comprehension of Grace. Personally I was greatly helped by listening to Paul Washer's sermon "Regeneration and Self-Denial". The sermon was birthed out of being asked to preach on Self-Denial. Washer began by saying that Self-Denial is impossible for the Unregenerate. The open air preacher that forgets this is at great risk heaping burdens upon sinners with Pharisaic ferverence.

A preacher's call is to win the lost, not condemn them. To paraphase E James Wilder, a Christian may desire to be judge, but that is God's job, we are called to be witnesses. The job of accuser is taken also, but no Christian should want to be likened to him.

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KingJimmy Dec 4, 2007

Well said CJakForest!

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nowhr2hide Dec 4, 2007

on ya mate that is sounds like a gift of wisdom from above, and the knowledge given to you truly bless. God bless you

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ChrisJD Dec 5, 2007

If a man is sent from God, who can say anything against him?

But can anyone preach that is not sent?


[b][color=990000] He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. [/color][/b]

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ChrisJD Dec 5, 2007

Before the conference, someone posted part of a testimony of the Azuza Street Meetings from Frank Bartleman. Here is a short excerpt

"All obeyed God, in meekness and humility. In honor we “preferred one another.” The Lord was liable to burst through any one. We prayed for this continually. Some one would finally get up anointed for the message. All seemed to recognize this and gave way. It might be a child, a woman, or a man. It might be from the back seat, or from the front. It made no difference. We rejoiced that God was working. No one wished to show himself. We thought only of obeying God."


It was posted [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20152&forum=35]here[/url]

It was on the first page.

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Mattie Dec 14, 2007

I'm not saying that open air preachers need to have a big huge smile while they proclaim something so serious and eternally important to men as the Gospel. And I do believe there are moments when the Spirit of God may stir a man to have the anger of God in a proclamation.

We have to remember that it's so easy to make Scriptures say what we want it to say rather than understanding the context. Often times the street preachers who look angry and are bitter run to the prophets as "examples" of hard open air speaking. Yet the context that the prophets spoke in was to a backslidden Israel who once knew the glory of God. And the prophets didn't ONLY speak on God's anger, they also spoke of His new covenant.

One of the greatest dangers is taking verses out of it's proper place to make it say what we want it to say.

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psalm1 Dec 14, 2007

mattie, there was an open air preacher years ago [i wish i could rememmber his name] that preached several meetings a day.
An amaazed individual asked him how he could have the stamina to do so many meetings.
He replied"thats easy I just get on fire and people come to watch me burn!

David

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