Revelation
The first 20 books of Revelation is a disclosure of the end of the religious system prevailing at that particular time, which was the Old Covenant (Testament) Mosaic or Jewish dispensation . The warfare and triumph of the Christ is described in Old Testament language.
Chapter 20 and 21 is the ushering in of the gospel, the perfect law of liberty.
Rowdy,
Would you please rephrase your post? If I understand your thoughts as written, it comes cross as being strange and unbiblical.
ginnyrose
rowdy2 wrote:
Revelation
The first 20 books of Revelation is a disclosure of the end of the religious system prevailing at that particular time, which was the Old Covenant (Testament) Mosaic or Jewish dispensation . The warfare and triumph of the Christ is described in Old Testament language.Chapter 20 and 21 is the ushering in of the gospel, the perfect law of liberty.
Are you talking about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism]Preterism?
rowdy2 wrote:
Revelation
The first 20 books of Revelation is a disclosure of the end of the religious system prevailing at that particular time, which was the Old Covenant (Testament) Mosaic or Jewish dispensation . The warfare and triumph of the Christ is described in Old Testament language.Chapter 20 and 21 is the ushering in of the gospel, the perfect law of liberty.
I am very glad that you have managed to wrap your mind around what has baffled scholars for centuries, without an agreed upon interpretation. It gives me so much peace in my heart to know that you have found the true interpretation.
This explains how the 2nd coming of Christ has already happened. It's good to know that we are waiting for His 3d coming don't you think?
Sorry for the sarcasm, but be real about it for a second. If this was true, how many scholars out of a hundred would agree with you?
Go research that, use Christian scholars, use Jewish scholars, use scholars that have no faith at all, and find out how many of them agree with that position, and then come back and show your findings.
I would be shocked if you researched 100 scholars, if more than 5 of them held that position. But I doubt that you will do the work necessary to find out if what you say is really true.
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PreachParsly You are a hero of mine but I believe What I wrote and stand behind it but I don’t even know what Preterism means.
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ginnyrose I will give thought to your request and will oblige soon if I can.
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BenWilliams. Sir I have always read John’s revelation of Christ while a searching Old Testament verbiage for clarity and I don’t believe I am wrong but we can agree to disagree.
I was not trying for sensationalism I was stating my belief but I respect each of your opinions. I didn’t reach this opinion with out much Bible study and changing my beliefs will not be likely.
I believe that Jesus’s spirit and God abodes in every Christian and I worship God in spirit. I know what futurism in the Biblical sense means to me and I reject modern day religion that makes a covenant with death that will not stand. Jesus has returned and lives in every one who loves God and keeps His sayings but the worldly are to busy buying and selling and marrying and giving in marriage to receive their King.
What do you guys understand from these verses ?
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
1Co 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
1Co 15:30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
1Co 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1Co 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die.
1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
The world is still under the righteous laws of God. The world would not know sin if Holy Father had not written His Laws with His own finger in tablets of stone. God's law are a view of God's righteousness not ours. The world is a desolate spiritual wilderness and a living hell to all that are drawn into idolatry and forsake God and become ignorant and morally corrupt.
Romans 1: 19-32
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful, who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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PreachParsly You are a hero of mine but I believe What I wrote and stand behind it but I don’t even know what Preterism means.
A hero? :-) I don't know why you would say that.
I was just asking so I would know what you meant by your first post. Preterism teaches that either all or most of the things which are called "End Times" by others have already been fulfilled. Things like the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrist, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord have already happened according to this view.
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BenWilliams. Sir I have always read John’s revelation of Christ while a searching Old Testament verbiage for clarity and I don’t believe I am wrong but we can agree to disagree.I was not trying for sensationalism I was stating my belief but I respect each of your opinions. I didn’t reach this opinion with out much Bible study and changing my beliefs will not be likely.
I believe that Jesus’s spirit and God abodes in every Christian and I worship God in spirit. I know what futurism in the Biblical sense means to me and I reject modern day religion that makes a covenant with death that will not stand. Jesus has returned and lives in every one who loves God and keeps His sayings but the worldly are to busy buying and selling and marrying and giving in marriage to receive their King.
So let me ask you a question, when did the New Jerusalem come out of heaven and combine itself with the earth?
If you say it already did, I would like to know where it is, because I can't see it, and I would like to know where the throne in this new Jerusalem is so that I can go worship along with all the nations.
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BenWilliams.
Sir if you have a city, (figuratively speaking) a place of refuge, a place or state of safety from danger or trouble to flee to you should be able to answer your own question.. Our city is not a city that can be shaken (made with hands)
Hebrews 12
22. But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24. And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26. Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29. For our God is a consuming fire.
Hi Eddie
rowdy2 wrote:
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BenWilliams.
Sir if you have a city, (figuratively speaking) a place of refuge, a place or state of safety from danger or trouble to flee to you should be able to answer your own question.. Our city is not a city that can be shaken (made with hands)Hebrews 12
22. But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24. And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26. Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29. For our God is a consuming fire.
I get the impression that you are confusing two things here. One is the spiritual City of which all true followers of Jesus are already a part. In that case I suppose the Second Coming was at Pentecost, where He came by the Spirit to dwell in the hearts of His followers.
As He said, in the discourse on teh coming of the Spirit in John's Gospel: "I will not leave you comfortless, [i][b]I
In that sense He is already come, although most people wouldn't call that the "Second Coming"
But there is also a coming which is physical, this is the other thing. As the angels said to the disciples at Jesus' ascension, "why do you stand gazing up to heaven...this same Jesus...will return in like manner..." (quoted from memory, you must know the passage)
It's getting late and I can't look up any more of the relevant scriptures for that now (there are many), but I will do it when there's time, if you like.
Neither have a few other things happened, such as animals all eating plants instead of each other, or the new heaven and new earth.
And it also says that when Jesus returns, every eye will see Him, including those who rejected Him.
Which as far as most of us can tell hasn't happened yet!
in Him
Jeannette
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PreachParsly Quote “A hero? I don't know why you would say that”
Eddie, that is my reason for saying it.
PreachParsly Quote “ End Times”
Eddie, Which generation? What people?
PreachParsly Quote “the destruction of Jerusalem”
Eddie, Titus, 70 AD
PreachParsly Quote “Antichrist
Eddie- 1 John 2
18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
PreachParsly Quote “Great Tribulation”
Eddie Yes, I believe the great tribulation for Israel has passed and they are just another secular country of this generation.
Luke 19:
41. And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42. Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
PreachParsly Quote “the Day of the Lord”
Eddie Day of the Lord means the righteous judgement visits every country, city, or person but not before given ample time to repent,
Jonah 1
1. Now the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,
2. Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.
Judea sent the Prophets to the ten tribes of Samaria and they prophesied against them and they repented not and the Lord God allowed them to be taken into captivity.
Jesus sent His twelve Apostles to Judea with explicit instructions.
Matthew 10
1. And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3. Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4. Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10. Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11. And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12. And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13. And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
16. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18. And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19. But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
21. And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
24. The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
26. Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
27. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
29. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
32. Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40. He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41. He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42. And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
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Janette wrote
Hi Eddie
"I get the impression that you are confusing two things here. One is the spiritual City of which all true followers of Jesus are already a part. In that case I suppose the Second Coming was at Pentecost, where He came by the Spirit to dwell in the hearts of His followers."
1 Corinthians 6:17. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
"As He said, in the discourse on teh coming of the Spirit in John's Gospel: "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you."
"In that sense He is already come, although most people wouldn't call that the "Second Coming"
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Eddie; Dear Sister, No I am not confusing the coming of the Spirit of Truth which is The Comforter and also the Holy Ghost with The Risen Glorified Son of God.
KJV- And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him, but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I am talking about the Spirit of God that lives in Christ that lives in Christians that teaches the Gospel of faith as Head of the body..
Jesus taught Law, Law, Law to the Jews because the were under that dispensation . I believe these words of Jesus that were revealed to John in their literal meaning that all did see Jesus on the Day of Their Lord that terrible day of their Judgement of that generation..
Revelation 1
6. And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Had a hard day goodnight.
Hey rowdy2,
janette is right, you are confusing those two things.
But I intend to show by one verse how your interpretation is flawed at best.
[b][color=FF0000]Revelation 1:19
19Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;[/color]
John wrote the book of revelation long after all the events by which you determine your interpretation.
Jesus Christ himself says, "write down the things which will be hereafter". That means, it has not taken place yet.
But, as I said in my first post, you are not honest enough with yourself to research this by going to the scholars to see what they have to say. If you were diligent, and genuinely seeking the truth, you would seek it in all places.
But you already know that the scholars do not agree with your position, so you are not about to go research what they say.
I doubt if you have even researched the history of your own stance on the issue, how it came about, who had this "revelation", and the character of the man by which this "revelation" came.
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Sir your statement that “ scholars do not agree with your position” is of as much consequence to me as if the Sadducees, Pharisees, Assideans, Antiochus Epiphanes the Illustrious, or the the Sanhedrim disagreed with me. I am not their servant.
I just finished reading the book by
Hank Hanagraff, the Apocylopse code.
It is a preterist view and he does have some good
arguements for it.
But.
I would have to think that like most prophesy
Prophecy is usually two pronged. one for present
day happening and future happening.
It was fufilled in part at the time and has
a future fufillment yet to come.
Obviously the letters to the Churches were for the 7 churches who needed to take heed to the Lords warnings, yet we can apply these same warnings to our churches today and in ourselves.
yes judgment did come to the old system in Israel
a fact that cant be disputed.
The Glory of God had truly departed from the nation of Israel and grafted into the Vine, (Jesus) are the Believers who follow him.
Isaiah, Exekiel, Jeremiah. all predict something God was going to do, for their time and for the future, all did come true, and yet still to be completely fufilled.
Its not worth arguing about really...
Love Jesus, Love your neighbor, Fear God and Follow him, abide in him and he will take care of prophecy.... in his timing..
God bless.
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Dear Sister: Jesus is always present with Jeshurun even from the beginning
The only exception was for the three days. I believe the words of God that they were not left with out a comforter and that Jesus rose on the third day.
Matthew 12:39
39. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41. The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Read The Book of Nahum 1, 2, 3, The burden of Nineveh. Our Father never changes.
Jesus ( incarnate) ( Emman'uel) (Immanuel ) (God)came to the lost sheep of Judea because their wickedness had come up before Him to warn them as Jonah had warned Nineveh and only God’s remnant escaped by not looking back at their possessions when the city of Jerusalem was burned and John on the Island of Patmos was even amazed when John looked on that very day (or back) (or forward)in time while in the Spirit upon that awful Day of judement of the Lord our God.
Matthew 10: 5-7
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Jesus was standing in Galilee when He sent the twelve to the house of Israel, not to the Gentiles nor the Samaritans or Galileans.
Luke 7: 31-33
And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like? They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced, we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
Fear God!
Reply to Poet
Thank you for your admonishment and your earnest thoughts.
John 14
1. Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5. Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Follow Jesus, have faith and fear God
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
rowdy2 said:
Sir your statement that “ scholars do not agree with your position” is of as much consequence to me as if the Sadducees, Pharisees, Assideans, Antiochus Epiphanes the Illustrious, or the the Sanhedrim disagreed with me. I am not their servant.
I thought you would say as much, but you do not realize the attitude of your heart concerning the issue is not honest.
You have in one lump sum gathered any man who bears the title of scholar and said, "they are Sadducees, and Pharisees."
Do you realize that the title of scholar simply means they are qualified by educational background to interpret the original text from it's language to ours, and then interpret it as best as possible. That does not make their interpretation right, and I did not say it did.
You have well spoken to say that you are not their servant, for you are the servant of what you believe.
Like any servant, you are subject to your master, and your master will not allow you to find out if he is speaking to you the truth.
I realize that I am speaking to you very strongly, but I am attempting to pinpoint the issue, and the issue is that you have not done your homework. You have chosen a set of beliefs based off of a limited knowledge of scriptural interpretation.
Proof of what I have said is that you did not address the verse that I mentioned, where the writer of Revelation says that some of the things written have not taken place yet.
You come to the table without enough greek or hebrew training to declare the things you say as true, yet you speak as though you do.
Do you know that the Antichrist is the second most mentioned man in the whole Bible? Not the spirit of antichrist, but the actual man. In categorical order it is this way, Jesus first, Antichrist second, David third.
Oh, but you already knew about all the prophecies in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, and other scriptures concerning the actual man. You dismissed those, and flatly stated that Revelation has nothing to do with those.
I ask you, if you are an honest man, address the issue that I raised about how John stated that some things in that he wrote in Revelation had not come to pass yet.
Reply to Mr. Williams Sir you have found me lacking in several areas, my scholarly credentials, my Greek and Hebrew training, lack of formal educational, lack of a educational background and a complete lack of works to earn salvation which in the interest of preserving my honesty I readily admit to you I have none and concede to your judgment.
But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you Mr. Williams, or of man's judgment.
As for the matter of Revelation 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
We have no disagreement unless my belief at the time John spoke these words there was a portion unfulfilled but looking back hundred of years latter I do believe all of the first 19 Chapters of Revelation Chapter had been or was being fulfilled at the time John was writing..
I still believe we are living in the times spoken of in the last two chapters of Revelation .
As a one hundred and one year old friend of mine says when speaking about His knowledge of God’s word. “ I may not read so well, but I know His name”.
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