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Christ didn't mean, what He said?

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Tears_of_joy Dec 7, 2007

“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:33).

This is perhaps [b]the most unpopular[/b] of all Christ’s terms of discipleship, and may well prove to be the most unpopular verse in the Bible. Clever theologians can give you a thousand reasons why it does not mean what it says, [b]but simple disciples drink it down eagerly,[/b] assuming that the Lord Jesus knew what He was saying. What is meant by forsaking all? It means an abandonment of all one’s material possessions [i]that are not absolutely essential[/i] and that could be used in the spread of the gospel. The man who forsakes all does not become a shiftless loafer; he works hard to provide for the current necessities of his family and himself. But since [b]the passion[/b] of his life is to advance the cause of Christ, he invests everything above current needs in the work of the Lord and leaves the future with God. In seeking first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, he believes that he will never lack food and clothing. He cannot conscientiously hold on to surplus funds when souls are perishing for want of the gospel. He does not want to waste his life accumulating riches that will fall into the devil’s hands when Christ returns for His saints. He wants to obey the Lord’s injunction against laying up treasure on earth. In forsaking all, he offers what [b]he cannot keep anyway,[/b] and what he has [u]ceased to love.[/u]

[b][url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=13546&forum=35]Digged from the archive of SI.[/url][/b] and excerpt from [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12995&forum=34]CLASSIC BOOK: True Discipleship by William MacDonald[/url]

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LiveforGod Dec 7, 2007

That is beautiful brother, and very true as well. Amen for those words, may we all follow what is says, and not what sombody else says God ment to say. Keep on forward in God´s name.

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hmmhmm Dec 7, 2007

We need to re-study our Bibles, and learn
what real Christianity is—how holy, how heavenly,
how spiritual, how loving, how morally and socially
excellent a matter it is.

What separation from the world,
what devoutness,
what intense earnestness,
what conscientiousness,
what enlarged benevolence,
what unselfishness,
what zealous activity,
what unearthliness,
what seeds of celestial virtue—
our profession of godliness implies.

Having examined this, and obtained an impressive
idea of it, let us survey our own state, and ask if
we do not need, and ought not to seek, more of the
prevalence of such a piety as this, which, in fact, is
primitive Christianity.

Is our spiritual condition what it ought to be, what
it might be, what it must be—to fulfill our high
commission as the salt of the earth and the light of
the world? A Christian, acting up in some tolerable
measure to his profession, walking in the holiness
of the Gospel—is the strongest and most emphatic
testimony for God to our dark revolted world, next
to that of Christ himself.

J.A James

sermonindex Dec 8, 2007

I feel I owe those in other countries an apology.

I hear from brothers from a few of these countries that have struggled in every way possible and then finally the "Gospel" is allowed into their country - but right behind it - "From America" - comes the prosperity teaching and the "American Lifestyle" as it's known through-out the world.

I've heard this coming out from Africa and other countries that have gone from communism to some sort of democracy.

I feel that although I've fought against these teachings for 30 years with many many others - yet we could not stop it from polluting the rest of the world.

With the Internet - I have found out that this so-called "American Lifestyle" is spreading through-out the entire world through so-called Evangelists and Teachers.

Forgive us as American Christians, for not fighting harder against heresies.

Forgive us as American Christians for not coming along side these Discernment Ministries (the good ones) in this fight against this Apostasy from Truth.

Forgive us as American Christians for not caring about the rest of the world as we should have.

Forgive us for not caring enough about sound doctrine to the point, that we've let this Apostasy spread so rampantly.

Jesus said, that because iniquity would abound - the Love of Most would grow cold.

Jesus said, that many will be "offended" in these days and fall away.

He said, because they didn't have an Agape Love for Truth - He would send the strong delusion, that they would believe the lie [of the antiChrist].

Please, let us pray as one Body in Christ - for us to become stronger lovers and defenders of Truth and turn this tide somehow, before we can no longer "reach the world" through media systems.

I don't think we have very much longer to defend Truth and the Truth that many of those here and on other good websites are trying to get out.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum with their doctrines of devils - so we must shout out the Truth even louder and defend it with our lives at this point.

It [i]is[/i] Truth that is under the greatest attack around the globe - and within our own ranks - it is our love that is under attack.

I fully stand behind the Discernment Ministries that are trying to sort out truth from error.
Many of them are here in the U.S. & the U.K. - but they are either being ignored or drowned out by the 100,000 other voices out there.

Our Love and defense of the Truth has to spread very loudly around this globe and soon. We are responsible. We must out-shout the false prophets and teachers of this world and be a witness, while God gives us this space of time to repent.

God help us all.

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ginnyrose Dec 8, 2007

Kire,

Your post reminds me of a book "The Russians' Secret" written by Peter Hoover with Serguei Petrov that echoes these same sentiments. It is marketed by Scroll Publishing. Anyhow, what I wanted to tell you, it is a fascinating read. And, the book is NOT copyrighted. The author says it can be reproduced for the cause of Christ!

ginnyrose

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JelloTaster Dec 8, 2007

No books have challenged me more than those penned by Peter Hoover. The Russians Secret is filled with so many examples of those who followed Christ so passionately. What a blessing!

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True Discipleship by William MacDonald said

But since the passion of his life is to advance the cause of Christ, [b]he invests everything above current needs in the work of the Lord and leaves the future with God[/b]. In seeking first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, he believes that he will never lack food and clothing. He cannot conscientiously hold on to surplus funds when souls are perishing for want of the gospel. He does not want to waste his life accumulating riches that will fall into the devil’s hands when Christ returns for His saints. He wants to obey the Lord’s injunction against laying up treasure on earth. In forsaking all, he offers what he cannot keep anyway, and what he has ceased to love.
Dear Kire,

I have taken this view for many years with respect to provisions I might have made for myself in the past, and am at present at a cross-roads in my life, where these matters are quite high in my mind.

As William MacDonald says 'simple disciples drink it down eagerly' and so it has been for me this morning. Thank you.


HE_Reigns said

Please, let us pray as one Body in Christ - for us to become stronger lovers and defenders of Truth
Annie that was an excellent post. I can't use your 'American Christian' sentences not being there, but on the matter of standing with the written word of God for our understanding of God's priorities and meaning, I am with you one hundred per cent.

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We need to re-study our Bibles, and learn
what real Christianity is—how holy, how heavenly,
how spiritual, how loving, how morally and socially
excellent a matter it is.

AMEN!!!!!

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Tears_of_joy Dec 9, 2007

ginnyrose wrote:
Your post reminds me of a book "The Russians' Secret" written by Peter Hoover with Serguei Petrov that echoes these same sentiments. It is marketed by Scroll Publishing. Anyhow, what I wanted to tell you, it is a fascinating read. And, the book is NOT copyrighted. The author says it can be reproduced for the cause of Christ!

JelloTaster wrote:
No books have challenged me more than those penned by Peter Hoover. The Russians Secret is filled with so many examples of those who followed Christ so passionately. What a blessing!

Hello sister and brother, thanks for this, I haven't heard about that book. I live in a country where we were under communism 50 years, but the christians here were very few and the persecution was not so big as in Romania and Russia, and I don't know much testimonies from first hand. Actually one of the first men that was coming into my home and preached the Gospel, as I was kid, was an old man who have went through persecution. Every time when he was coming into our home, (we were some relatives), he was sharing some story, I as a kid was very fascinated. He was often called by the police and often followed. In one occasion while in police, with a strong punch they crushed him a tooth. But he was also testifying about God's faithfulness. After he died, at around 90 y.o. I thought that I missed to make a record from these stories. From the lips of this man, God planted the first seed into my heart, I was just a child. And after I got born again, it happened that we were going to church together, in the last years of his life.

Besides "Tortured for Christ" by Wurmbrand, I have read few other books about the persecution in the communist countries, all are very inspiring. I think we should read these books more as the days are following. I made a search about the book you said and found it online, thanks:

[b][url=http://allgodsword.com/Trs/]The Russians' Secret (What Christians Today Would Survive Persecution?)[/url] by Peter Hoover with Serguei V. Petrov[/b]

ginnyrose wrote:
The author says it can be reproduced for the cause of Christ!

I think all should be so, not just this author.

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