Gnostics (False) Prophets preparing the way for the anti-christ

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murrcolr Dec 11, 2007

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations.

Rick Joyner Prophecy
1.Messianic people are, "THE HEAD," meaning, of the Body of Christ and the First Fruits
Wrong Jesus is the head
2.Messianics are going to help us (the Church) restore our foundations to where they belong -- and we won’t get where we’re supposed to be without their help.
Wrong Elijah comes to restore all things.

This is just a very small part of some of the devilish teaching this man promotes.

As you can see even by the name of his ministry it's satanic to the core. He is misleading christians into a religion where the goal is a people ready to worship the anti christ.

But God is going to have a people a people of victory.

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire; and them that come off victorious from the beast, and from his image, and from the number of his name, standing by the sea of glass, having harps of God.

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ZekeO Dec 11, 2007

Though I don't agree with his messianic position what makes you think that morningstar ministries is built on that verse, what of this one :

~~[i]~~Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
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Do you have anymore inside info?

sermonindex Dec 11, 2007

Murrcoir, I agree with you completely. This is Dominion Theology and it is satanic to the core, preparing the way for anti-christ.

Love in Christ
Katy-Did

sermonindex Dec 11, 2007

Though I don't agree with his messianic position what makes you think that morningstar ministries is built on that verse, what of this one :

Zekeo, the Scriptuire you posted is Jesus Christ, and that reference is to Israel, of the Offspring of David...etc.

We are the seed of Abraham, of which that seed is Christ.

When trying to mix these theologies, one thinks as a Christian in the Body of Christ we are the Head of that Kingdom only Jesus Christ himself will set up and establish.

We, the Church are not the Head, but His Body.

1 st Corinthians 15 state, Christ the first fruits
THEN those who are His at His coming....

AND THEN the Kingdom, where HE must rule...it doesn't say *she*. If it said SHE, then it would mean the body of Christ...His Bride which is a SHE, not a HE.

He must Rule is Jesus Christ. This is the second Coming of Jesus Christ to set up the Kingdom promised to Israel. Acts 1:6&7.

Acts CH 2, please read.

We, his Church, His Body will reign and rule with Him.

Love in Christ
Katy-Did

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ZekeO Dec 11, 2007

Katy-did wrote:
Though I don't agree with his messianic position what makes you think that morningstar ministries is built on that verse, what of this one :
Zekeo, the Scriptuire you posted is Jesus Christ, and that reference is to Israel, of the Offspring of David...etc.
We are the seed of Abraham, of which that seed is Christ.
When trying to mix these theologies, one thinks as a Christian in the Body of Christ we are the Head of that Kingdom only Jesus Christ himself will set up and establish.
We, the Church are not the Head, but His Body.
1 st Corinthians 15 state, Christ the first fruits
THEN those who are His at His coming....
AND THEN the Kingdom, where HE must rule...it doesn't say *she*. If it said SHE, then it would mean the body of Christ...His Bride which is a SHE, not a HE.
He must Rule is Jesus Christ. This is the second Coming of Jesus Christ to set up the Kingdom promised to Israel. Acts 1:6&7.
Acts CH 2, please read.
We, his Church, His Body will reign and rule with Him.
Love in Christ
Katy-Did

Sorry, you have both lost me.

What is the contention here, backup and walk through this with me slowly? I agree with your post, but what has that got to do with rick joyner and him preparing the way for the anti-christ? :-?

sermonindex Dec 11, 2007

What is the contention here, backup and walk through this with me slowly? I agree with your post, but what has that got to do with rick joyner and him preparing the way for the anti-christ?

The reference to the Bright and Morning Star, or anyone naming a ministry Morning Star ministries has, as rick joyner, co-mingles truths, one belonging to Israel (Romans 11) and those belonging to the Church, composed now of Both Jew and Gentile, having an altogether different outcome and ending.

The swing to Dominion Theology by many churches today is this great apostacy leading to the worship of anti-christ.

I've posted many statements on "The Rod of Iron=teh Cross?" thread explaining this very deception.

It takes on many forms but all are working together with one hook in you or another.

No contention here at all. So sorry you thought so.

Love in Christ
Katy-Did

sermonindex Dec 11, 2007

Zekeo, this aticle will explain more of what I am referring to. Dominion/Restoration?replacement Theology. Bad to the bone.

Many many aerticles about Rick Joyner being a Dominionists.

http://www.pfo.org/r-joyner.htm

Love in Christ
Katy_did :-)

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MSeaman Dec 11, 2007

I don't know about paving the way for the antichrist, but Rick Joyner is definitely a dominionist.

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rowdy2 Dec 11, 2007

KJV Little children, it is the last time and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists whereby we know that it is the last time.

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sojourner7 Dec 11, 2007

Dominionists are waiting for God to restore
the kingdom of Man; won't happen. The
kingdom of God is promised and given only
to Christ, the rightful King of kings and
Lord of Lords!! He is given all authority
and all power in heaven and on earth!!

sermonindex Dec 12, 2007

Rick Joyner Prophecy 1.Messianic people are, "THE HEAD," meaning, of the Body of Christ and the First Fruits Wrong Jesus is the head 2.Messianics are going to help us (the Church) restore our foundations to where they belong -- and we won’t get where we’re supposed to be without their help. Wrong Elijah comes to restore all things.

Responding to point 1.

Jesus is certainly the head. The head denotes authority. It's not saying that Jesus is an actual head sitting on shoulders. If you want to get technical Jesus and the Bride are one Spirit or one body.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Rick Joyner is correct in in saying what he said, but wrong concerning the first fruits. The first fruits were the first century believers, they have been gathered in. Do you remember when Jesus said

John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; ~~[b]~~for they are white already to harvest.[/b]

For they are ready (2000 yrs.ago) to be harvested. And a harvest they did reap thousands upon thousands of Jews were converted in the first century.

Responding to point 2.

Here Joyner is off the wall, not sure where he gets this. In regards to Elijah restoring all things. Elijah has already come, again, 2000 years ago.

Matthew 11:7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

Matthew 11:8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.Matthew 11:9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.~~[b]~~[size=x-small]Matthew 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.[/size][/b]Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.~~[b]~~[size=x-small]Matthew 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.[/size][/b]

Matthew 11:15 ~~[b]~~[size=medium]He that hath ears to hear, let him hear[/size][/b].

One of the things I could never understand from this generation of Christians on how they can get around what Jesus said about John being Eliah that should come and has come.

The deception of Rick Joyner and others is that this notion that the Jews are going to replace the Church, that they are going to save the world while the Church is basking away in la la land after a supposed fluffy rapture vacation getaway is ludicrous.

I have heard this foolish idea that God is going to return back to the Jews. God has returned to the Jews when He sent Jesus Christ to die for them. He turned back to them on the day of Pentecost. He turned back to them when they preached at the gate called beautiful. He sent Paul to them unto the four corners of the eart to speak the glorious gospel to the Jews and Gentiles.

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

God is not going to divide Christ up and make a distinction between the Jew and the Gentile, for we are all one in Christ Jesus our LORD.

M

murrcolr Dec 13, 2007

Lets clear some things up.
Yes I agree 100% about what Jesus said no arguements. But before Jesus comes again a prophet with an Elijah type of ministry will come and prepare a people or as Jesus says restores all things.

Read what is recorded in the book of Kings about the time Elijah lived.

Ahab was the 8th King of Israel who was married to Jeezabel.

This is a prophetic picture of a time in the future.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou wonder? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and the ten horns.

The beast is the 8th King (Ahab) Jeezabel is the Harlot.

God through Elijah confronts this system of worship and brings it to it's knees and the people turn back to God.

Know did John the Baptist confront the 8th King. No. Only the 6th King was present at that time.

Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.

Five had fallen and the one who is at the time of John was the 6th King.

So I say Elijah does come to restore all things at the time of the 8th King. But that takes nothing away from what Jesus stated about John.

Lets bring in the other point here.

Jesus is certainly the head. The head denotes authority. It's not saying that Jesus is an actual head sitting on shoulders.

I am not bringing that point out. I know that that and have known it along time. This is my point.

Rick Joyner Prophecy 1.Messianic people are, "THE HEAD," meaning, of the Body of Christ and the First Fruits Wrong Jesus is the head

Look again he says the messianic people are THE HEAD. Read it again till you get it messianic people are THE HEAD. Then he says and the first fruits. THE HEAD and the first fruits

He says the Messianic people are the head.

This wrong very very wrong but some believe it are being taken along with all the false teaching. Which in turn leads many astray.

The deception that is going on in the Church right know is preparing the way for the anti christ so that many many christians are misled and follow after him.

I went along to confernece in Sweden in July I saw and heard things that I did not believe could or would happen. But I thank God I saw it.

What did I hear and see this Messianic Jews promoting unity between Gnostic's, Cathoilc's and Charasmatic's. There was seven thousand people there. Pastors of churchs that have over of 25,000 people where there.

What I want to bring to peoples attention that the teaching of Rick Joyner his idea's his ministry is all geared to preparing the way for the antichrist.

But there are many many others going along to the same drum beat.

My dear friend we do need God to send Elijah to restore the altar again just like he did in Kings.

He took the 12 stones and rebuilt the altar the fire fell. God the Father turned again to the sons. The people of God or his sons turned to God.

There will be a peolpe who will come off victorious.

In revelation you see the people that.

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire; and them that come off victorious from the beast, and from his image, and from the number of his name, standing by the sea of glass, having harps of God

Lets make sure we are of these that have come off victorious :-)

M

murrcolr Dec 13, 2007

Domininionists will be used or should I say tricked (misled) to think they are building Gods Kingdom.

They will be used by the anti christ to build his kingdom. They are being used right know to do it.

But I am with 100% Jesus Christ.....King of Kings...Lord of Lords