I was curious if anyone received the latest email from Andrew Strom's Revival list? It had a vision from a lady. I wasnt sure if I could post it, but it was interesting and wondered what others thought.
The main theme of the vision was if you aren't on your face before God and interceeding you will be destroyed by the Judgement that is coming.
I think its fine to post for discussion sister.
sermonindex wrote:
I think its fine to post for discussion sister.
With Greg's permission, this is the text of the email.
VISION: "PROSTRATE UNDER SACKCLOTH - The Only Safe Place"
-by Rosie Lovejoy.
"This is the vision I had during Praise and Worship on January 4th, 2003, the evening we were praying for a Pastor and his wife's departure to Israel...
It began with a vision of a huge lion, about ten to fifteen feet high.
He was suspended about two to three feet off the ground. He was not a "cute" lion, rather His mane was large and shaggy, and He looked very viral and powerful. During the entire vision He was walking levitated two to three feet above the earth. The lion turned to me and thundered: "DO NOT MY PEOPLE KNOW THAT the TIME and the SEASON HAS CHANGED?" (I remember thinking that His grammar was odd, and that is not how we usually say
things.) After thundering the question to me, He breathed, and
flames of fire came out of His mouth. I heard the words "LION OF ZION" reverberate through my Spirit. The lion began to walk, suspended above the ground, breathing fire. The fire that was coming out of His mouth was not the refining fire we have been taught about, rather a fire that destroyed and burnt up all in its path. I knew in my spirit that it was a fire of judgment.
I next saw a view of a downtown business district of a large city.
I think it was New York City, but I cannot be sure. I saw a building that resembled the Empire State Building, and a few buildings that surrounded it, collapse. The image was similar to the collapse of the Twin Towers. I screamed in my spirit, "No LORD!! NO!!!!!"
As I was screaming, I saw the rubble and smoke from the collapsing buildings arise into a cloud that resembled a mushroom cloud. I do not know for sure if it was a nuclear mushroom cloud or a cloud of debris from the building. I was horrified and weeping in my spirit.
The lion reappeared and again turned His head and spoke to me.
In a mournful voice He asked: "HOW ELSE am I GOING TO BRING IN the HARVEST?" (I instinctively knew that as a nation and people we are totally pre-occupied with our little lives and situations, and nothing short of calamity was going to bring us to question our existence and purpose for being. I knew it would take something of this magnitude to bring us to repentance.) The lion then spoke again: "I HAVE USED BABYLON IN the PAST to JUDGE MY PEOPLE, and I WILL USE BABYLON AGAIN to JUDGE MY PEOPLE."
The lion began to walk, and I saw groups of people standing and talking, some were joking with each other. Others were buying new cars and houses. Others were plotting financial gains and what to do with their assets during these uncertain times. I knew that this was the Church in America. Most were erect and oblivious to the approaching lion. A few were face down on the ground weeping and interceding. They were each covered with a coarse, brown cloak. There were very few on their faces.
THE LION THEN ROARED, and flames came out of His mouth, and burnt up the Christians who were standing. They became ashes and were no more. Horrified, I realized that I was standing to watch the unfolding scene, and I dove towards the dirt, skinning my chin as I landed. I was immediately covered from head to foot with the same coarse, brown cloak the intercessors on the ground were covered with. I raised my head to look out, and witnessed more and more erect Christians being burnt to a crisp.
It was clear to me that the only safe pace to be was on my face, in the dirt, interceding.
The Lion of Zion then turned to me again, and spoke. "DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT I will KEEP MY HAND of PROTECTION OVER YOUR NATION, WHEN it is WILLING TO DIVIDE MY HOLY CITY, JERUSALEM?" I knew in that moment that YAHWEH was lifting His hand of protection from our nation, and that judgment had begun. I clung to the ground, as the lion walked over me, and those of us who were prostrate on the ground, still breathing fire. By this time, the worship music had concluded and the Pastor's wife was speaking about the offering, and how giving our tithes and offerings was a joyful act of worship. Again the Lion thundered: "ARE my WAREHOUSES FULL? NO!!!!
ARE MY PRIESTS TAKING CARE of MY WIDOWS and ORPHANS? NO!!!"
I then saw men I knew were pastors and priests, standing tall and erect. Some were standing in front of Mercedes, others in front of large, expensive churches. The Lion spoke again: "MOST OF My PRIESTS DON'T CARE ABOUT My WIDOWS AND ORPHANS. THEY CARE About THEMSELVES, THEIR CARS AND HOUSES, and the CHURCHES THEY ARE BUILDING.
THEY CARE About THEIR MINISTRY, NOT MINE." "Oh no!"
I thought. "These ministers are goners…" The Lion then opened His mouth and roared. Fire came out and consumed the "priests"
who were standing beside their new cars and large, expensive churches. They became a pile of ashes on the ground next to their possessions. Many, many were consumed.
The Lion continued to walk, breathing fire. Anywhere Christians were standing, rather than prostrate on the ground in sackcloth, they were consumed and turned to ashes....."
{-PROSTRATE, INTERCEEDING - the only safe place to be amid the coming judgments....}
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The lion reappeared and again turned His head and spoke to me. In a mournful voice He asked: "HOW ELSE am I GOING TO BRING IN the HARVEST?" (I instinctively knew that as a nation and people we are totally pre-occupied with our little lives and situations, and nothing short of calamity was going to bring us to question our existence and purpose for being. I knew it would take something of this magnitude to bring us to repentance.)
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The lion began to walk, and I saw groups of people standing and talking, some were joking with each other. Others were buying new cars and houses. Others were plotting financial gains and what to do with their assets during these uncertain times. I knew that this was the Church in America. Most were erect and oblivious to the approaching lion. A few were face down on the ground weeping and interceding. They were each covered with a coarse, brown cloak. There were very few on their faces. THE LION THEN ROARED, and flames came out of His mouth, and burnt up the Christians who were standing. They became ashes and were no more.
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Horrified, I realized that I was standing to watch the unfolding scene, and I dove towards the dirt, skinning my chin as I landed. I was immediately covered from head to foot with the same coarse, brown cloak the intercessors on the ground were covered with. I raised my head to look out, and witnessed more and more erect Christians being burnt to a crisp. It was clear to me that the only safe pace to be was on my face, in the dirt, interceding.
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By this time, the worship music had concluded and the Pastor's wife was speaking about the offering, and how giving our tithes and offerings was a joyful act of worship. Again the Lion thundered: "ARE my WAREHOUSES FULL? NO!!!!ARE MY PRIESTS TAKING CARE of MY WIDOWS and ORPHANS? NO!!!" I then saw men I knew were pastors and priests, standing tall and erect. Some were standing in front of Mercedes, others in front of large, expensive churches. The Lion spoke again: "MOST OF My PRIESTS DON'T CARE ABOUT My WIDOWS AND ORPHANS. THEY CARE About THEMSELVES, THEIR CARS AND HOUSES, and the CHURCHES THEY ARE BUILDING. THEY CARE About THEIR MINISTRY, NOT MINE." "Oh no!" I thought. "These ministers are goners…" The Lion then opened His mouth and roared. Fire came out and consumed the "priests"who were standing beside their new cars and large, expensive churches. They became a pile of ashes on the ground next to their possessions. Many, many were consumed.
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The Lion continued to walk, breathing fire. Anywhere Christians were standing, rather than prostrate on the ground in sackcloth, they were consumed and turned to ashes....."
--- When i first got this from Strom and read it it sent shudders thru me because it is so close to what i believe our Lord has been speaking to me for so long also, the quotes about "the harvest" , "correction", "the reasons for corrections regarding the sins of the priests", and also because if the majority of saints could read this it would be percieved as a joke, the rantings of a self deluded legalist reacting in the name of God to her own dislikes of what is occuring in the Body and the leadership ...
If that's the case then there's nothing to worry about for sure, but on the flip side if it is the case ... Jesus help those who will to already be prostrate before You begin to ROAR! ... At this present time i've never been this sad in my faith, or cogitated of spirit, nor been in such trepidation for the masses in America (both saved and unsaved) as i am right now, it's like i'm waiting for a huge explosion to go off and everyone else around me is wondering why i'm on the ground with my hands over my head ... God knows i'll be so relieved to have Him bring me past the remainder of this year into whatever aspect of His will being done because whether my peculiar faith is of Him, or not,this anticipation is almost unbearable at this point :-? ---
sis Melissa et al Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.
i read with interest this account, much interest as it is something i believe our Lord has spoken to me about. at first i thought i was alone but i came to find many more people who seemed to have been shown the same thing...So unless the enemy has somehow managed to trick a bunch (well more than 1 or 2) of us into believeing this same thing without any prior connections to one another, then God is trying to get something across here...
the themes of the message have been shown to me in differing images/ways and others also. the bottom line is REPENT, REPENT, REPENT OR DIE!!!
from the vision:
I next saw a view of a downtown business district of a large city.I think it was New York City, but I cannot be sure. I saw a building that resembled the Empire State Building, and a few buildings that surrounded it, collapse. The image was similar to the collapse of the Twin Towers. I screamed in my spirit, "No LORD!! NO!!!!!"
As I was screaming, I saw the rubble and smoke from the collapsing buildings arise into a cloud that resembled a mushroom cloud. I do not know for sure if it was a nuclear mushroom cloud or a cloud of debris from the building. I was horrified and weeping in my spirit.
i saw a similar thing in which a ball of fire fell upon New York and the cloud which arose from it was like a mushroom cloud. Now i saw the same thing in Washington D.C. also. i don't know the extent of the damage but what little i saw in the aftermath was incredibly horrific, not so much the destruction but seeing the agony of those who didn't repent and perished...i began to consider that it is possible that millions could perish in an instant...
indeed it seems that nothing short of calamity at this point will bring the majority about...i have been asking God that as many as would, should be quickened before, during and after this happens. i have asked people if they sense anything about to happen and most don't...many of us are preoccupied with the day to day grind...
indeed there are some pastors/priests who haven't watched over His flocks diligently and yet others have been faithful at great cost to themselves.
if these things are all vain imaginings, there is nothing to worry about, but if this is the Heart of God...
God Help us.AMEN.
Grace and PEace are ours in JEsus.AMEN.
Hi IRONMAN...
I am not sure that even a major calamity will truly bring people to Christ. Look at the events of 9/11. The church buildings on Sunday, September 16th, 2001 were FILLED to capacity. But could we make a claim that these people "indeed it seems that nothing short of calamity at this point will bring the majority about...
I've been studying the book of Revelation again. I am amazed at the terrible judgments poured out by God upon the Earth. Yet even after such great and terrible events (including miraculous, unexplainable phenomenon), the people will STILL continue in their sin.
I'm not sure the effect that disaster actually has on a person's eternal condition. Many people turn to God during times of fear and crisis. Prisons are filled with "believers" who forget to bring their Bibles (and their Christianity) with them upon release. While I praise God for those testimonies of individuals who turned to God (and continue in Him) after a calamity, I have noticed a trend in this world. People turn to God like a child turns to a parent during a storm. Once the storm passes and the thunder is silent, they go back to their own beds.
We need true conversions. We need people who do not turn to God out of mere fear -- but out of longing to be with Him and to know Him. As a child and a teen, I was always afraid of spending an eternity in a lake of fire. However, it wasn't until I feared an eternity WITHOUT KNOWING CHRIST that I turned to the Lord with all of my heart. While there may be some who get to know Him out of fear during calamity, the vast majority seem to reflect the nature of the world during the time of God's wrath in the book of Revelation -- still unrepentant for their lifestyles and lusts.
:-(
bro Chris Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.
you said:
I am not sure that even a major calamity will truly bring people to Christ. Look at the events of 9/11. The church buildings on Sunday, September 16th, 2001 were FILLED to capacity. But could we make a claim that these people "turned to God?" Perhaps they turned to where they thought they could find God (to the Church) and still found nothing?
if i may, i'd like to look at the last line of this paragraph.
that's pretty chilling bro because that then is an indictment against us as the body...bro Katz liked to say "crisis reveals and absolute crisis reveals absolutely" so i had a thought. perhaps the degree to which people turned to God after 9-11 is reflective of the severity of the calamity in the minds of people. most of us saw it from a distance, on tv, online, on print etc but not many (relative to the total population) saw it upfront. i am curious to see how [i][b]those
I've been studying the book of Revelation again. I am amazed at the terrible judgments poured out by God upon the Earth. Yet even after such great and terrible events (including miraculous, unexplainable phenomenon), the people will STILL continue in their sin.
indeed, however some if not most or even all of these at that point have taken the mark and there isn't any turning back from that...then again it also underscores the depravity of our hearts and bent toward sin. if you think that's bad, after the Millenial Reign of Christ, we have Gog and Magog part Deux...
I'm not sure the effect that disaster actually has on a person's eternal condition. Many people turn to God during times of fear and crisis. Prisons are filled with "believers" who forget to bring their Bibles (and their Christianity) with them upon release. While I praise God for those testimonies of individuals who turned to God (and continue in Him) after a calamity, I have noticed a trend in this world. People turn to God like a child turns to a parent during a storm. Once the storm passes and the thunder is silent, they go back to their own beds.
yes there is this trend indeed which is disturbing but it has been my prayer that as many as would should come to Him before during and after this. adversity however does tend to reveal the truth of one's heart, those who hate God will be plain to see, just as those who Love Him will be.
We need true conversions. We need people who do not turn to God out of mere fear -- but out of longing to be with Him and to know Him. As a child and a teen, I was always afraid of spending an eternity in a lake of fire. However, it wasn't until I feared an eternity WITHOUT KNOWING CHRIST that I turned to the Lord with all of my heart. While there may be some who get to know Him out of fear during calamity, the vast majority seem to reflect the nature of the world during the time of God's wrath in the book of Revelation -- still unrepentant for their lifestyles and lusts.
bro the first line of this paragraph says it all. May God be so Gracious to Grant us all true Conversion and Repentance.AMEN.
Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.
From the vision
Does this mention of a named city, change the way you read this?I next saw a view of a downtown business district of a large city.
I think it was New York City, but I cannot be sure. I saw a building that resembled the Empire State Building, and a few buildings that surrounded it, collapse. The image was similar to the collapse of the Twin Towers.
If it said 'I think it was Dallas', or, 'I think it was San Francisco', or 'I think it was Kansas City'... or 'I think it was London, UK' or, 'I think it was Toronto' .... you get my meaning .... does it strike home differently?
Bro Chris you wrote;
"I've been studying the book of Revelation again. I am amazed at the terrible judgments poured out by God upon the Earth. Yet even after such great and terrible events (including miraculous, unexplainable phenomenon), the people will STILL continue in their sin."
---Amen - but within your reasoning it makes one wonder why God would even bother with such miraculous, tho very explainable phenomena of mass destructions to those converted to the faith during the Tribulation periods ... See you said, "the people will STILL continue in their sin", when in actuality you should say "some people", or even "most of the people", but the folk God knows is coming to Him in such horrible times are His harvest, those He's interested in, His additional chosen vessels of mercy, while such times also do a duty for Him by casting millions of vessels of wrath into their inescably awaiting of the Great White Throne Judgment and their being cast into Hell ...
Jesus told the Laodiceans as many as He loves He rebukes and chastens, within your line of reasoning why should Jesus even bother to warn us, let alone bring us to a point of correction, if the only reason any of us would repent and get right is out of fear of the correcting? ... Tell you the truth in my own simple reasoning i don't understand why He even bothered at all in the creation of us in the first place, let alone the providing of His Son toward our salvation, and any subsequent pleadings and/or warnings that He's trying not to have to discipline us ... To be perfectly honest here Lord knows i've kinda had a beef in that i ain't never wanted to be put in any position to try to warn anyone of any supernatural consequences, i certainly didn't like it when i was raised a JW, and even far less after my intial experience within God's true house, especially to leadership ... Truth be told i find it far easier to be used in warning the unsaved than the saved, because i know from first hand experience, dealing with myself first, that no one is as slippery at attempting to get past what God's wants and desires as a self willed and satisfied with the status quo saint, and it's another reason that i'm as glad to be as close to the end of this thing as i am ... God knows that if i find that this has somehow been of me all along, as i've said before i'm just gonna apologize, sit down, shut up, and will be wasting no additional time in trying to psycho-analyze the why's, wherefores, etc., because i will be to busy being ecstatic that at least it's over, and i'll no longer have any validity left whatsoever to ever feel like i'm called of God to prophetically have to warn another saint, or meddle in some pastor's business, as it will be obvious that i haven't the slightest inkling of the Lord's voice in my life, and i will be most appreciative of finally being sat down, freed from such gross error of using our Lord's name in what would so rightly actually be what Ron Bailey has called "my nonsense", and will have to come to grips with the fact that i apparently have more freedom in my walk with Him than i've believed ...
But while i'm still on this side of my capture, and i do feel captured of Him, let me say that 9/11 was a firecracker that affected a handful in comparrison to what bro Ironman and i believe is nigh, as we also believe those whom of which God wishes to get their attention (believers) our attentions will be gained
because whether we can even begin to reason an understanding of why God continually seems to use
tactics that so many saints as yourself believe to be unproductive to His will being done here on earth in the getting of the attention of folk, His own already saved folk in particular, He still continues to use them ---
Bro Chris you wrote;
"While there may be some who get to know Him out of fear during calamity, the vast majority seem to reflect the nature of the world during the time of God's wrath in the book of Revelation -- still unrepentant for their lifestyles and lusts."
---Amen ... but it's for those "some" that are His that all this that makes no reasonable sense is about anyway ... He already told us;
[b]Matt.7
[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
His tactics surely may seem unreasonable and/or unprofitable to His created, but He's also told us that His ways are so far above our own that our attempting to wrap our small minds around His plan and will is a sure excercise in futility ...
i praise God for bro Ironman, myself, and all who've been affected by our peculiar faith it's outcome one way or the other is not much longer ... In all things may HE get all the praise and the glory ---
Hi Brother Rahman…
I think that you may have misunderstood the essence of my post. I didn’t mean to say that God [u]doesn’t
I didn’t post my comment with your prophecy in mind. Imagine if the prophecy that you and Ironman have made public actually came to pass. Will people stand and wonder what “sin” has caused the event (John 9)? I think that we often fail to realize that even God’s JUDGMENT is meant to bring about the work of God and lead people back unto Him. If God always gave men what we deserved, then who could stand? Even the most “holy” of saints would be destroyed by the letter of the Law. Yet the grace and mercy of God prevents this wrath.
I am concerned for both of you in regards to this prophecy. I have faith that you both have an honest walk with the Lord that will withstand any calamity. However, if such a calamity doesn’t occur? Yes, you will be obligated to confess that you were wrong (at least, by naming a particular Gregorian calendar [u]year
You are in my prayers. If the Lord wills, I hope to begin traveling at the end of the week. I will be in Tennessee for the Christmas holiday, and will return near the first. As I’ve said before, I am praying that the things that you’ve “seen” do NOT come to pass. I do this for the sake of my family, my neighbors, my countrymen and this world. I pray that God gives us more time to bring His message of redemption to mankind. Yes, America is filled with much hypocrisy. But God is able to perform a great work even before the times grow dark. How do I know? He reached me during the “best” time of my life. Besides, as dark as the days will grow, they are not nearly as bad as the ETERNAL "wrath to come."
“But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” – Luke 22:32
:-)
--- Hey bro Chris ...
Forgive me :-D if i've come across a bit terse, but i have to admit i'm tired ... Even tho i know i probably shouldn't be as so many i know point out, God knows i am and that presently i'm kinda on a roller-coaster of some emotion here so much to the point that i was recently asked, "You really do believe this 2007 thing don't you" ? ... i wanted to spew, "Nahhh, i've just been excercising in this long weirdness for kicks" - but of course i didn't ---
You wrote;
"I think that you may have misunderstood the essence of my post. I didn’t mean to say that God doesn’t use the terrible situations in this world to bring people unto Himself. Rather, I meant to convey that disaster and calamity often brings about a temporary “conversion.” Once the storm dies down, people turn back to their old ways. It makes one question the validity of such a “conversion” that is motivated solely by fear or pain."
--- OK ... but there you go again with that broad generalization "people" ... i firmly believe that
perhaps many, if not most may revert, but some stick ... But my major point was not so much God somehow marginally using terrible situations in getting our attention but actually orchestrating them as He did with Israel and as pointed out in the posted vision in reference to Babylon ... i guess where we don't see eye to eye is that you're focused on the lasting effects on folk in such acts of God, while my focus is on why God has to do such things in the first place ... By your reasoning such acts of God are unprofitable but that's impossible because God says His words, or for that matter anything He does, never returns to Him void ---
You wrote;
"I didn’t post my comment with your prophecy in mind. Imagine if the prophecy that you and Ironman have made public actually came to pass. Will people stand and wonder what “sin” has caused the event (John 9)? I think that we often fail to realize that even God’s JUDGMENT is meant to bring about the work of God and lead people back unto Him.
--- i think the right people will, those who are supposed to, and amen on your latter statement that's exactly what His judgment is meant to do, and is precisely the message i know bro Ironman and myself have carried, "Repent pro-actively, instead of ra-actively", but then another thing it seems that so many of God's folk are too unaware of is that we think we're all pretty swell in God's eyes, and haven't a clue as to how poor, dumb, blind and naked we are, and i think much of the reason being is that we're not moving ever closer to the fire and light that exposes just how wretched we really are ... i once thought that more i surrendered and submitted myself before Him the better i would feel about my worthiness, man was i wrong for the closer i get the more i understand my filth and appreciate that if it we're not for my covering of His Blood i truly of myself have no righteousness whatsoever, and it really makes me understand why the prophets of old instantly fell down like deadmen in His presence, became undone, and knew that they we're men of unclean lips and no way worthy of His use for them ... But He decided! ---
You wrote;
"If God always gave men what we deserved, then who could stand? Even the most “holy” of saints would be destroyed by the letter of the Law. Yet the grace and mercy of God prevents this wrath."
---Of the former it's reall obvious that He doesn't dole out in an instant what we deserve and is propbably a big cause why we can become so spiritually lethargic, and complacent, and of your latter statement, "Yep, until the hour He decrees He's had enough" ... i don't know which is worse, to be a saint thinking "we're rich and in need of nothing", or to be one poor in spirit always relying on His grace and mercy to continually cover our crap while we grieve His Spirit ... He said, His Spirit will not always strive with us ---
You wrote;
"I am concerned for both of you in regards to this prophecy. I have faith that you both have an honest walk with the Lord that will withstand any calamity. However, if such a calamity doesn’t occur? Yes, you will be obligated to confess that you were wrong (at least, by naming a particular Gregorian calendar year). Yet we know that some dark days still lay ahead for this world. We should ALWAYS be prepared for the persecution and tribulation that exists throughout the world. We should ALWAYS learn to be content with the provisions that the Lord provides. Even though we may not truly know the day and hour (or calendar year) for a particular event beforehand – we can still be prepared for such an event."
--- Praise God that concern is soon to be resolved ... And yes "we all should", that's something so many of us saints are good at, saying, thinking, and sometimes even knowing what "we should" be, and what "we should" be doing, but quite often find ourselves lacking when the Master pops up on us for an account ---
You wrote;
"You are in my prayers. If the Lord wills, I hope to begin traveling at the end of the week. I will be in Tennessee for the Christmas holiday, and will return near the first. As I’ve said before, I am praying that the things that you’ve “seen” do NOT come to pass. I do this for the sake of my family, my neighbors, my countrymen and this world. I pray that God gives us more time to bring His message of redemption to mankind. Yes, America is filled with much hypocrisy. But God is able to perform a great work even before the times grow dark."
---Amen, i certainly understand why you're praying against this ... To be honest i kinda go back and forth too in that as i've said to bro Ironman i sure don't want to be proven "loopy" after all this time and energy but then i think about the people ... i try often not to think of the people, and the massive suffering, and sometimes think well maybe it wouldn't be so bad to be proven wrong, but on the larger picture when i compare what i believe to be His sharing with me of His own suffering at being our Owner yet having to satnd outside our doors knocking to gain entrance into His own Body, His own Bride, i think about "What about God's sake"? - and well that just outweighs everything else once placed in such a balance ... If no one really fears God anymore, which scripture states is the beginning of wisdom, then how many of us do you suppose really have any understanding of His pain toward our enactions, but yet we can fix our mouths to beg for more mercy, more time, instead of "Lord, do whatever is necessary to bringing us into Your proper line" ... Again where we don't meet eye to eye is you believe it possible for God to move a mighty work in us before times grow dark, and i on the other hand see that work and movement an assurity in a time of darkness ... In this particular aspect we'll soon know, if pro i'll be busily occupied in a new work, if con then i can finally stop being as spiritually weird as i've become ... As i say to brother Ironman, "Actually it's a Rom. 8:28 win-win situation for us for we're about to actually become either "free in it" or "free of it" ... But as always whatever the outcome may He get all the honor, praise and glory, and may praises towards Him ever proceed from our lips! ---
It was interesting to say the least. While I do see the impending judgement of this nation as imminent I also see it as the true churches finest hour. There's a little prophesy in the NT that says the gentile church would provoce Israel to jealousy, that hasn't happened yet. The Word says that the death of righteous is precious in the sight of God, and while I agree that many christians will physcally die in the times of refining and chastisement of the church, in keeping with 1Co 11:29 For whoever eats and drinks without recognizing the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.
1Co 11:30 This is why many are sick and ill among you, and many have fallen asleep.
1Co 11:31 If we were properly evaluating ourselves, we would not be judged,
1Co 11:32 but when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord, so that we may not be condemned with the world.
The principle here is one of serving each other. The world is already and is always under the wrath of God and as to NY going up in smoke? That city, by reason of the praying saints stands in the valey of decision, the destiny of that city lays in the obedience of the Church of Jesus Christ. God is about to make a division in the churches; 2Ti 3:8 Just as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth, men who are corrupt in mind, worthless in regard to the faith.
2Ti 3:9 But they will not make further progress, for their lack of understanding will be clear to all, as theirs was also.
There will be a war played out against some of these false churches and that will be a warning to the smaller churches to flee that damnable doctrines of demons.
Washington D C has been made ready for judgement, as has Baltimore, the violence of those cities has reached heaven and thier judgement is sure, they will be the first to experience necular attack, I believe via dirty bomb. Now a Word for NY, they have the cross roads before them, either they will become a city of refuge and a catalyst of missions for the whole world or in disobedience they will fail the grace of God that is and will be poored out on that city, in that case judgement is certain. The Lord will shortly excite the youth in NY and raise up for Himself a Holy remnant who will be called repairers of the breach and thier exploits will be glorious in HIS sight (sa 58:6 Isn't the fast I choose:
To break the chains of wickedness,
to untie the ropes of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free,
and to tear off every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
to bring the poor and homeless into your house,
to clothe the naked when you see him,
and to not ignore your own flesh [and blood]?
Isa 58:8 Then your light will appear like the dawn,
and your recovery will come quickly.
Your righteousness will go before you,
and the Lord's glory will be your rear guard.
Isa 58:9 At that time, when you call, the Lord will answer;
when you cry out, He will say: Here I am.
If you get rid of the yoke from those around you,
the finger-pointing and malicious speaking,
Isa 58:10 and if you offer yourself to the hungry,
and satisfy the afflicted one,
then your light will shine in the darkness,
and your night will be like noonday.
Isa 58:11 The Lord will always lead you,
satisfy you in a parched land,
and strengthen your bones.
You will be like a watered garden
and like a spring whose waters never run dry.
Isa 58:12 Some of you will rebuild the ancient ruins;
you will restore the foundations laid long ago;
you will be called the repairer of broken walls,
the restorer of streets where people live.
Isa 58:13 "If you keep from desecrating the Sabbath,
from doing whatever you want on My holy day;
if you call the Sabbath a delight,
and the holy [day] of the Lord honorable;
if you honor it, not going your own ways,
seeking your own pleasure, or talking too much;
Isa 58:14 then you will delight yourself in the Lord,
and I will make you ride over the heights of the land,
and let you enjoy the heritage of your father Jacob."
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.).
As to the state of the church in America, there will be waves of strong conviction that will manifest as the Spirit of God searchers the deep things in the hearts of His children, some will embrace it some will reject it and have 1Sa 4:21
Ichabod written above it door posts.
For the individual christian Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21 For, behold, Jehovah cometh forth out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Now all thats not to say that we are to run to seek Christ there but that we need to be living a life that is Hid in Christ (Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat Behold, I have told you before.
Mat Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:, behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.) Note secret chamber.
The christain is called to be those who labor while it is day much like the rebuilding of the walls in the time of Nehemiah, in one hand they had a weapon---it was called prayer without ceasing, and the other hand was doing the works God called them to do in rebuilding the Walls of protection. Always keeping one eye on Jesus and one eye on the task at hand. This is a time of great rejoicing to them who has ears to hear and a heart bent toward obedience. Jesus is coming and His reward is in His hand. I think if I was to ask in prayer anything, it would be for the God of all grace to give me a seeing eye and a hearing ear which God has made them both, and that He would allow us to mix with FAITH the WORD SPOKEN to us. Amen and Amen.
Daryl said
Good word, bro.The christain is called to be those who labor while it is day much like the rebuilding of the walls in the time of Nehemiah, in one hand they had a weapon---it was called prayer without ceasing, and the other hand was doing the works God called them to do in rebuilding the Walls of protection. Always keeping one eye on Jesus and one eye on the task at hand. This is a time of great rejoicing to them who has ears to hear and a heart bent toward obedience. Jesus is coming and His reward is in His hand. I think[b]if I was to ask in prayer anything, it would be for the God of all grace to give me a seeing eye and a hearing ear which God has made them both, and that He would allow us to mix with FAITH the WORD SPOKEN to us. Amen and Amen.[/b]
This sounds interesting as well. I've heard the youth meetings at TSC are growing and the youth 'are not afraid of the commitment'. Amen.The Lord will shortly excite the youth in NY and raise up for Himself a Holy remnant who will be called repairers of the breach and thier exploits will be glorious in HIS sight
bro Chris Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.
you said:
You are in my prayers. If the Lord wills, I hope to begin traveling at the end of the week. I will be in Tennessee for the Christmas holiday, and will return near the first. As I’ve said before, I am praying that the things that you’ve “seen” do NOT come to pass. I do this for the sake of my family, my neighbors, my countrymen and this world. I pray that God gives us more time to bring His message of redemption to mankind. Yes, America is filled with much hypocrisy. But God is able to perform a great work even before the times grow dark. How do I know? He reached me during the “best” time of my life. Besides, as dark as the days will grow, they are not nearly as bad as the ETERNAL "wrath to come."
by the way like i said on PC3, if none of this happens, i will apologize publically, repent, recant and sit down and be quiet.
i wonder also, how long God has been waiting, perhaps from the very inception of this nation?either way it's been a while and i can't shake the sense that His Patience is about to run out...
however like you bro, i have skin in the game also, my wife, a 3 yr old and one due early next yr, another daughter whose name is Nyaradzo which means in Shona "comfort", her other name is Zandile, which is Zulu/Ndebele and means "they are many" meaning i have many daughters (2) and comforts also. The latter name we had early on, the former came to me in a dream in which i was holding her after her birth and God said to me, "you shall call her Nyaradzo." and so i did.
precious as these are to me as well as my family, friends and so on, if their comfort as it were, or avoidance of the suffering which may come with this is at the expense of the purposes of God for a greater multitude, we'll all go through the suffering because we can't lose either way. the word tells us in romans 8 that:
[b][color=0000FF]35 Who shall separate us from the love of the Christ? tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 (according as it hath been written -- `For Thy sake we are put to death all the day long, we were reckoned as sheep of slaughter,') [/color]
and so:
[i][b][color=0000FF]37 but in all these we more than conquer, through him who loved us;[/color]
therefore i like Paul:
[u][i][b][color=0000FF]38 for I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor messengers, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, 39 nor things about to be, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of god, that [is] in Christ Jesus our Lord.[/color]
call me foolish but i do believe that no matter what level of discomfort we endure, His Grace is Sufficient for us!Not only that but from Romans 5:
[b][color=0000FF] 3 And not only [so], but we also boast in the tribulations, knowing that the tribulation doth work endurance; 4 and the endurance, experience; and the experience, hope; 5 and the hope doth not make ashamed, because the love of God hath been poured forth in our hearts through the Holy Spirit that hath been given to us.[/color]
i feel kinda bulletproof in our Lord! also these sufferings do have eternal rewards so i'm not about to sacrifice any eternal benefit for a temporal comfort...so bro, if you prayers don't prevail and this indeed is what God has in mind to do, i pray we all take comfort in these words of Paul.
bro, thank you for your prayers and for reminding us of this:
“But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” – Luke 22:32
AMEN bro!
Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.
bro Daryl
Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.
It was interesting to say the least. While I do see the impending judgement of this nation as imminent I also see it as the true churches finest hour. There's a little prophesy in the NT that says the gentile church would provoce Israel to jealousy, that hasn't happened yet.
you said quite a bit here bro, it is an interesting thing that in the midst of the greatest adversity, the greatest Light shines through...i guess it is easier on some levels to be Christians when things aren't so tough, (though it is easy to fall off too) but i always find it interesting that the greatest testaments seem to be tied inextricably to adversity...the Church was built on a foundation of Blood and there is something about the shedding of that which turned the world upside-down...those saints who have nothing to lose tend to be the more on fire ones, i guess if you have nothing but God that's everything! nobody can threaten to take from you what you can't lose, or succeed in ripping you from the One who has taken a hold of you. i believe if God has indeed been dealing with us, to the degree to which He has so done, will be the degree to which we'll be able to Shine in this dark hour.
bro Katz suggested that perhaps the making of the Jew jealous unto Salvation may have to do with the Church taking care of Jews in flight in the coming conflagration...at high cost, perhaps even at the cost of our lives. i do concur with him in that such a show could very well be the thing to do this. Either way it must be a show of Christ in us of the Ultimate Kind which perhaps could be paying with our lives for their safety. anyhow, i believe the same sort of display of Christ in this dark hour will be the thing which draws men to God, the calamity will certainly get attention and even draw some out but i believe the greater portion of the harvest has to be brought in after a show of Christ in and through us. i don't believe that there is too steep a price to pay for this, especially given that Jesus already did and in Him we are assured of ability to do whatsoever is required of us. AMEN.
The christain is called to be those who labor while it is day much like the rebuilding of the walls in the time of Nehemiah, in one hand they had a weapon---it was called prayer without ceasing, and the other hand was doing the works God called them to do in rebuilding the Walls of protection. Always keeping one eye on Jesus and one eye on the task at hand. This is a time of great rejoicing to them who has ears to hear and a heart bent toward obedience. Jesus is coming and His reward is in His hand. I think if I was to ask in prayer anything, it would be for the God of all grace to give me a seeing eye and a hearing ear which God has made them both, and that He would allow us to mix with FAITH the WORD SPOKEN to us. Amen and Amen.
let is be as you prayed.AMEN. and AMEN.
Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.
Bro Ironman wrote;
"bro, thank you for your prayers and for reminding us of this:
Quote:
“But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” – Luke 22:32
Bro. Chris ...
In all else i forgot to thank you also for your prayers as i much appreciate the prayers of any saint moved to do so in my behalf ... None of us can have to much prayer for us thrown toward heaven's Almighty Monarch, as well as none of us can pray to much for individual saints, and The Bride as well ...
This is just an amazing time for me, like i'm right on the verge of finally realizing what my pastor said such a long time ago that i should seek (His ultimate purpose for my life), and now as i look back on my life i can see key points in it that i hit like a pinball which sent me off into a whole nuther direction, except a pinball game seems random where with myself it's been (to me) more like a divinely orchestrated game played by God Himself toward racking up as many points as He deems to score before allowing me to go out of play, and either that time is now or He's about to play me to Kingdom points "eye hath not seen, nor ear heard" ... It's amazing to be able to look back on one's life and see the obstacles that one has been butted up against to first bring one tO pre- salvation brokeness, second to post-salvation brokeness, and i have yet to live the third part of His game with me, if it be His will, that of ministry and service to The Body ... And this also i know, in this finality, this culmination, being led to SI has been the most important, the clincher, the last catalyst, particularly in fellowship with bro Ironman, that has sustained my weird faith to now just outside this end ... All i can say is, "Thank God for Rom. 8:28"!!! ...
On brokeness i want to end with this ... It seems to me that "self" really gets broken down when over a period of time one's spirit man (and that's all i can attribute it to) continues to win out over the "self" when one believes he is hearing the voice of God to do things that the "self" just screams against ... i've found it to be a really weird place when my "self" thinks that i'm crazy to do such things requiring not only my time and energy but even money, yet i've wound up doing them anyhow, as i've said before of most things i believe i've heard Him say do i've always retorted, "No Father i won't" - then in retro do ... Of this i am thoroughly convinced, that if proven to be on some kind of weird mission on my own then it will had to have been of myself, and not from the enemy, because i don't believe that he would have ever told me to strive after so many beneficial things toward the kingdom of heaven, and certainly not to have prayed for so long for REVIVAL - even he in all his wickedness i don't believe would taunt God like that for fear He just might answer such prayers ... i'm truly at the end of myself here, i have no plans for the future other than hoping and praying He has plans for me, so again may His will be done and may He recieve all honor and glory no matter what ... Hallelujah anyhow! ---
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