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SEMINAR: Robert Wurtz II on The 7 Myth's of Repentance - Part III

sermonindex May 31, 2004

NOTE there is a 25 person limit for each event.If you have any questions or comments on this event please ask them in this thread.\t NOTE: All seminars are free and have a seating capacity of 25 people. Registerants are based on a first come first serve basis. You must provide a notice 24 hours before cancelling your appearance to this seminar.You can now Sign-up for Live Seminars with various guest speakers on SermonIndex. The atmosphere of the seminar will be similar to an online classroom model where you can ask questions, raise hand, even if allowed communicate back using audio/video. This will allow many from across the world to hear and benefit meeting various Christian speakers that otherwise would not be possible. Another facet of the Seminars will be to disciple and build up the body of believers that are fellowshiping in the SermonIndex community.If you have additional questions or comments about the Live Seminar feature please either post them in the SermonIndex.net Support Forum Section or the Contact Us Form. If you are a pastor, speaker, leader and would like to be able to run a seminar please contact us with your information for consideration.\t The 7 Myth's of Repentance - Part IIISpeaker: Robert Wurtz IIDate: Thursday, June 10thTime: 9:00 pm EST (1 hour)Description: When you think about repentance what are some of the evidences you should look for? Are tears a good indicator that a person has repented? What happens if I am ‘repenting’ to avoid the consequences of my sins? What if I do a whole bunch of good deeds after I sinned; does that mean I repented? In this discussion we will discover that repentance is more than tears, penitence, or any other outward expression. There are many misconceptions about repentance. In this session we will examine 7 myths concerning repentance.

sermonindex Jun 10, 2004

Here is the text for tonights lecture as a reference, if you have not registered do it now for space is limited:---E) MYTH #6 REPENTANCE CAN BE SELECTIVEIn Richard Owens Roberts section on “Seven myths of Repentance” he states, “When anyone resorts to selective repentance, the tendency is to repent of the glaring matters, the things of which everyone knows he is guilty. There is no potential for selectivity in genuine repentance. Even if someone in your church is caught in adultery and sheds buckets of tears, and makes no self-defense, and admits openly and candidly to an adulterous relationship, it is not necessarily repentance. You have to be sure that the underlying cause of adultery has been turned from, and that cause in most instances is pride. Take as an example, a woman who forsakes her three children and her husband and runs off with a local university professor. When she is confronted by the church, she at first says, "Well, if you knew that beastly fellow I’m married to, you’d understand." But the church is very earnest in bringing her to repentance and so finally she says, "Well, I admit that I did the wrong thing." Do we then rejoice? I’d want to get underneath and discover whether she had turned from the pride that made her think she didn’t need to be bound to this miserable man.” People often repent of the ‘symptoms of sin’ but they never repent of sin itself-, which is rebellion against God, and His authoritative word. 1) One Thing Thou LackestThen Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. (Matthew 19)Many people come to God as though they can make a pretense of repenting of sin- when in reality they have not turned completely to God. They are knowingly holding back a part of themselves. Many, even now, have some sin, as did the rich young ruler, which is standing directly between them and God. The minister may not see it, but Christ does. John Wesley comments on this verse saying, “Doubtless for the dawnings of good which he saw in him: and said to him - Out of tender love, One thing thou lackest - The love of God, without which all religion is a dead carcass. In order to this, throw away what is to thee the grand hindrance of it. Give up thy great idol, riches. Go, sell whatsoever thou hast.” Though he had thought he outwardly kept all the commandments- his ‘god’ was his stuff. We must remember that we are not at liberty to pick and choose what sins we repent of. Sins that place other ‘things’ on the throne of our heart are paramount to idolatry and a violation of the 1st Commandment and the great commandment. 2) The Heart of the Genuinely Repentant Charles Finney in Lecture XLV (45) of His systematic theology demonstrates the difference between a person who selectively repents and one who genuinely repents. He writes, “The saint has made the will of God his law, and asks for no other reason to influence his decisions and actions than that such is the will of God. He has received the will of God as the unfailing index, pointing always to the path of duty. His intelligence affirms that God's will is, and ought to be, law, or perfect evidence of what law is; and therefore he has received it as such. He therefore expects to obey it always, and in all things. He makes no calculations to sin in anything; nor in one thing more than another. He does not cast about, and pick and choose among the commandments of God; professing obedience to those that are the least offensive to him, and trampling on those that call to a sterner morality, and a harder self-denial. With him there are no little sins in which he expects to indulge. He no more expects to eat too much, than he expects to be a drunkard; and gluttony is as much a sin as drunkenness. He no more expects to take an advantage of his neighbor, than he expects to rob him in the streets. He no more designs and expects to indulge in sin in secret, than in open uncleanness. He no more expects to look with lust, than to commit adultery with his brother's wife. He no more expects to exaggerate and give a false coloring to the truth, than he expects and intends to commit perjury. All sin is an abomination to those who have genuinely repented and been born of the Spirit. His heart has rejected sin as sin. His heart has embraced the will of God as his law. It has embraced the whole will of God. He waits only for a knowledge of what the will of God is. He needs not, he seeks not, excitement to determine or to strengthen his will. The law of his being has come to be the will of God. A "thus saith the Lord," immediately awakens from the depths of his soul the whole-hearted "amen." He does not go about to plead for sin, to trim his ways so as to serve two masters. To serve God and Mammon is no part of his policy, and no part of his wish. No: he is God's man, God's subject, God's child. All his sympathies are with God; and surely "his fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ." What Christ wills, he wills; what Christ rejects, he rejects.”3) The Heart of the UnrepentantCharles Finney Continues, “But right over against this you will find the sinner, or deceived professor. God's will is not his law; but his own sensibility is his law. With him it is not enough to know the will of God; he must also have his sensibility excited in that direction, before he goes. He does not mean, nor expect, to avoid every form and degree of iniquity. His heart has not renounced sin as sin. It has not embraced the will of God from principle, and of course has not embraced the whole will of God. With him it is a small thing to commit what he calls little sins. This shows, conclusively, where he is. If the will of God were his law--as this is as really opposed to what he calls little, as to what he calls great sins, he would not expect and intend to disobey God in one thing more than in another. He could know no little sins, since they conflict with the will of God. But he goes about to pick and choose among the commandments of God, sometimes yielding an outward obedience to those that conflict least with his inclinations, and which therefore will cost him the least self-denial, but evading and disregarding those that lay the axe to the root of the tree, and prohibit all selfishness. The sinner, or deceived professor, does not in fact seriously mean, or expect, wholly to obey God. He thinks that this is common to all Christians. He as much expects to sin every day against God, as he expects to live, and does not think this at all inconsistent with his being a real, though imperfect, Christian. He is conscious of indulging in some sins, and that he has never repented of them and put them away, but he thinks that this also is common to all Christians, and therefore it does not slay his false hope. He would much sooner indulge in gluttony than in drunkenness, because the latter would more seriously affect his reputation. He would not hesitate to indulge wanton thoughts and imaginations when he would not allow himself in outward licentiousness, because of its bearing upon his character, and, as he says, upon the cause of God. He will not hesitate to take little advantages of his neighbor, to amass a fortune in this way, while he would recoil from robbing on the highway, or on the high seas; for this would injure his reputation with man, and, as he thinks, more surely destroy his soul. Sinners sometimes become exceedingly self-righteous, and aim at what they call perfection. But unless they are very ignorant, they soon become discouraged, and cry out, "O, wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" They, however, almost always satisfy themselves with a mere outward morality, and that, as I have said, not descending to what they call little sins.”F) MYTH #7 REPENTANCE ELIMINATES THE CONSEQUENCES OF SINSin always has consequences. Sin, in some way, always brings death. Sin pays wages and God will repay. God is not mocked- that is, you cannot turn your nose up to God as though you will get by with sin. Sin always has a consequence. What man sows He will also reap. The laws of sowing and reaping are as sure as the laws of physics.1) Repentance will not ‘Undo” the Sin Itself No amount of repentance will ever bring a murderer’s victim back to life. Many things are done in sin that can never be reversed in this life. A robber may repent of robbery, but prison still awaits them. An arsonist can never replace the memories and artifacts that their fire destroyed- nor can drunk drivers ever restore the lives shattered by an accident. Sin destroys things. Sin never leaves people as it found them (or they found it). One can never fix things back as they were before the sin- but they can help pick up the pieces.This is why restitution is so important. People who have destroyed lives with their sin ought to work diligently whenever possible to help pick up the pieces. This is one of the great purposes of the Law of Moses and it was showing people how to right wrongs. Many things can never be repaired, but doing what we can to rebuild what we destroyed is the desire of the genuinely repentant. The high-handed sinner destroys and leaves others to clean the mess. Some have a “Forgive me and get over it!” mentality, but God rejects such an attitude. When the jailer scourged Paul and was later converted- he helped dress the very wounds he once created. How about you? Have you sent that letter of reconciliation? Have you called and made that apology? Have you sent the repayment for those things you stole if possible? 2) Sin and Suffering Sometimes suffering is directly connected to our sin, but not always. There are times in Scripture when God acts swiftly to judge a sin as in the case of Ananias and Sapphira. There are other times when people simply, "reap what they sow." In other words, “There are natural consequences to our choices.” If you smoke and end up with Lung Cancer, don't blame God; you are simply reaping what you've sown. You can’t drink alcohol until your liver is shot and then blame God’s judgment. You destroyed your own liver! Obviously not all sickness and disease is the result of reaping what we sow, but often times our woes can be traced directly to sin. It is only God’s mercy that we have not yet already been totally consumed for our sins anyhow. We should thank God in awe and wonder as we ponder the sheer number of sins that we were not directly and immediately judged for.3) The Unforgiveness of People Let us fall into the hands of the Lord, for his mercy is great; but do not let me fall into the hands of men. (II Samuel 24:14)I have a preacher friend who once said, “God will forgive your sin if you genuinely repent, but you are playing Russian roulette with your life if you believe you can sin and man will forgive and forget.” People frequently speak of men and women falling in the faith- but rarely do we hear it preached that they rose from the ashes. Some even rejoice when a man or woman of God fall- but the angels rejoice when one sinner repents. 4) The Suffering of the InnocentBefore it was over with David had broken nearly every last one of the 10 Commandments when he sinned with Bathsheba. Sin has a way of blinding even those whose heart is after God’s. Great was David’s love for God. Matthew Henry writes concerning these things, “When David's project of fathering the child upon Uriah himself failed, so that, in process of time, Uriah would certainly know the wrong that had been done him, to prevent the fruits of his revenge, the devil put it into David's heart to take him off, and then neither he nor Bath-sheba would be in any danger (what prosecution could there be when there was no prosecutor?), suggesting further that, when Uriah was out of the way, Bath-sheba might, if he pleased, be his own for ever. Adulteries have often occasioned murders, and one wickedness must be covered and secured with another. The beginnings of sin are therefore to be dreaded; for who knows where they will end? It is resolved in David's breast (which one would think could never possibly have harbored so vile a thought) that Uriah must die. That innocent, valiant, gallant man, who was ready to die for his prince's honor, must die by his prince's hand. David has sinned, and Bath-sheba has sinned, and both against him, and therefore he must die; David determines he must. Is this the man whose heart smote him because he had cut off Saul's skirt? Quantum mutatus ab illo!—But ah, how changed! Is this he that executed judgment and justice to all his people? How can he now do so unjust a thing? See how fleshly lusts war against the soul, and what devastations they make in that war; how they blink the eyes, harden the heart, sear the conscience, and deprive men of all sense of honor and justice. Whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding and quite loses it; he that doth it destroys his own soul, Proverbs 6:32. But, as the eye of the adulterer, so the hand of the murderer seeks concealment, Job 24:14, 15. Works of darkness hate the light. When David bravely slew Goliath it was done publicly, and he gloried in it; but, when he basely slew Uriah, it must be done clandestinely, for he is ashamed of it, and well he may. Who would do a thing that he dare not own? The devil, having as a poisonous serpent, put it into David's heart to murder Uriah, as a subtle serpent he puts it into his head how to do it. Not as Absalom slew Amnon, by commanding his servants to assassinate him, nor as Ahab slew Naboth by suborning witnesses to accuse him, but by exposing him to the enemy, a way of doing it which, perhaps, would not seem so odious to conscience and the world, because soldiers expose themselves of course. If Uriah had not been in that dangerous post, another must; he has (as we say) a chance for his life; if he fight stoutly, he may perhaps come off; and, if he die, it is in the field of honor, where a soldier would choose to die; and yet all this will not save it from being a willful murder, of malice prepense.”

sermonindex Jun 10, 2004

There's still space available for this seminar which is a continuation of this theme of repentance mostly following the book "Repentance" by Richard Owen Robert. Why don't you join us tonight live at 9:00pm EST. If so you MUST register at least 30 minutes before the live event to be able to attend. Feel free to ask any questions at all about this sign-up procedure or the seminar its self.

sermonindex Jun 11, 2004

Heres the book that was mentioned in the serminar, and its the book that Robert Wurtz is using as a model also:Repentance: The First Word of the Gospelby Richard Owen Roberts, Henry T. BlackabyFormat: Trade PaperbackPublication Date: July 2002ISBN: 1581344007List Price: $ 19.99Heres is a great site that shows all the used copies at different prices:Best Buy booksIt ranges there from $11.99 - 19.99 I am going to search around and definetly order this book.

sermonindex Jun 11, 2004

Heres the text transcript of the meeting:----Meet ASAPDate: Thu Jun 10 20:40:39 GMT-0400 2004Click Here for Meeting Details¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++Jeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Greg Gordon says:yikesGreg Gordon says:heheGreg Gordon says:hey brotherJeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:who's the speaker?Greg Gordon says:Robert Wurtz (hes continuing on the theme of repentance) following owen roberts book.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++Robert Wurtz II has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:ahh ok¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++Jesse Morrell has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jesse Morrell says:helo fellas¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++Just a Closer Walk With Thee (kbonev@hotmail.com) has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jesse Morrell says:anyone here?Greg Gordon says:yes hi jesseRobert Wurtz II says:yes I'm here bro Jesse, can you hear me speaking?Jesse Morrell says:sure couldJeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:helloJesse Morrell says:awesomeGreg Gordon says:yes the theme talking about men of the past God used is really inspiringGreg Gordon says::)Jesse Morrell says:i'm sorry i just leftJesse Morrell says:did you say you enjoyed them?Greg Gordon says:but Jesse's fervor makes it better :)Jesse Morrell says:thank youRobert Wurtz II says:Yes, they were a real blessing!¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Greg Gordon says:man you make me want to street preach :PGreg Gordon says:I heard the cdGreg Gordon says:whewJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:helloJesse Morrell says:praise GodGreg Gordon says:yea its God if I do it thats forsureGreg Gordon says::PRobert Wurtz II says:Hello Jimmy!Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:holaJesse Morrell says:i may drive to boston tommorow to preachJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:jesse makes greg want to preach in the street, and i make greg want to reconsider :)Jesse Morrell says:because theres no where he i can preach it seems without getting arrestedGreg Gordon says:yea jimmy makes me always think twiceJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:heheJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:i make greg stutterJesse Morrell says:thinking is good, prayer is betterJesse Morrell says::)Jesse Morrell says:so Bro Robert will I be out of the loop since this is my first time hearing you preach on repentance?Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:so, what's going on 2night?Greg Gordon says:https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2125&forum=12Greg Gordon says:heres the text we can refer toGreg Gordon says:its on the second post here: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2125&forum=12Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:ahh...i see, we are having an actual eventJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:didn't realize it... thought greg was just being goofy :)Robert Wurtz II says:Your fine for tonight. We will be covering issues that can stand alone without the previous ones.Greg Gordon says:yea and that tooJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:so did you finally listen to all my message greg?Greg Gordon says:distractions from the devilGreg Gordon says:all day longJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:lolGreg Gordon says:plumberGreg Gordon says:electricanGreg Gordon says:jesusJesse Morrell says:Bro Robert, have yuo been a Christian long?Greg Gordon says:opss the last one was a good one¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++jerryrowe@hotmail.com has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:yeah, the last one is fineJesse Morrell says:what type of ministry?Jesse Morrell says:God bless you man! youth ministry is hardJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:youth ministry is hard indeedGreg Gordon says:haJesse Morrell says:yes!1Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:i'm involved in jr high/high school ministry myself. i'm not the youth pastor, but i'm involved with itJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:heheJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:it's a sad thingJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:such carnalityJesse Morrell says:i did youth ministry a bit, and i found that they were starving for meat because their pastor babied themJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:and since few children are discipled by their parents, it is increasingly harder and harder to teach them the word when you only get to be with them for a short timeJesse Morrell says:thats true¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++Richard Brown has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jesse Morrell says:i spoke at a youth group last night, and they didn't say a word for a solid ten minutes after i left the pulpitJesse Morrell says:completely silentGreg Gordon says:hi richardGreg Gordon says:wow at your church brother Jesse?Jesse Morrell says:noJesse Morrell says:a youth group i had only been to oncejerryrowe@hotmail.com says:(Is there a clarinet in the background...?)Greg Gordon says:wow sounds awesomeJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:sounds like Robert has the same clock my house does :)Greg Gordon says:lol yea Im playing itJesse Morrell says:i recorded it, but then the recorderd was turned on in my pocket and recorderd over it with nothingGreg Gordon says:for effectjerryrowe@hotmail.com says::)Greg Gordon says:like a sanky role (muscian)¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++Just a Closer Walk With Thee (kbonev@hotmail.com) has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jesse Morrell says:yesJeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:I'm readyGreg Gordon says:amenGreg Gordon says:https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2125&forum=12 - notes herejerryrowe@hotmail.com says:(Amazon sells that book here:)http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1581344007/qid=1086915697/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-4406631-2196935?v=glance&s=books&n=507846Greg Gordon says:2nd post downjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:(I bought it after the last session.) :)Greg Gordon says::)¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++Just a Closer Walk With Thee (kbonev@hotmail.com) has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Greg Gordon says:yesJesse Morrell says:it's trueGreg Gordon says:yes!Greg Gordon says:amen!Greg Gordon says:wow yes!Greg Gordon says:"All sin is an abomination to those who have genuinely repented and been born of the Spirit." !!Jesse Morrell says:Yes Yes and YesGreg Gordon says:wow wow and wowJesse Morrell says:haha just alittle bitGreg Gordon says:which therefore will cost him the least self-denial....Greg Gordon says:thats so trueJesse Morrell says:oh man it's trueGreg Gordon says:Heart of the Unrepentant = secret sinsGreg Gordon says:yikesJesse Morrell says:in the realness of reality, no sin is secret. The man who commits them knows, and so does GodGreg Gordon says:wow yesGreg Gordon says:heheGreg Gordon says:dohGreg Gordon says:cast away all that entangles..Jesse Morrell says:Smash um!! all fo themGreg Gordon says:hehe jesse your right 'smash um!'Greg Gordon says::PJeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:I remember smashing all my def lepard and aerosmith cassettesGreg Gordon says:yea my rap cdsGreg Gordon says:snap snapjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:What, next time I get saved? Is that what the guy said??Greg Gordon says:yesjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Aye, there is another problem for the man.Greg Gordon says:yupJesse Morrell says:YES!Jesse Morrell says:i say that with sadnessGreg Gordon says:"Sin always has a consequence."Greg Gordon says:amenJesse Morrell says:lets shatter sinGreg Gordon says:hmm interesting :PGreg Gordon says:lets treat sin as it is??Jesse Morrell says:now theres a thoughtGreg Gordon says:"but often times our woes can be traced directly to sin." YES¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++Jesse Morrell has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++Jesse Morrell has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++Jesse Morrell has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++Jesse Morrell has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Greg Gordon says:you there jesse?Jesse Morrell says:sorryJesse Morrell says:i sent a friend a link so he could join, and he kicked me out when he triedGreg Gordon says:gimmie his addressGreg Gordon says:emailJesse Morrell says:john.kelly@earthling.netGreg Gordon says:tell him to check his emailGreg Gordon says:"and one wickedness must be covered and secured with another."Greg Gordon says:amen :)Greg Gordon says:I think evenone is smited to the heartGreg Gordon says:that was a challanging messageJeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:definately a challenging messageJesse Morrell says:that was greatJesse Morrell says:is it q and a time?Jesse Morrell says:waitJesse Morrell says:i have questionsGreg Gordon says:hehe Jesse always has questions.Greg Gordon says:go for it jesseJesse Morrell says:in all the years that yuo have been in youth ministry, what has caused the long lasting repentance in the lives of your youth?Greg Gordon says:amen ! no rushGreg Gordon says::)¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++Just a Closer Walk With Thee (kbonev@hotmail.com) has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Greg Gordon says:yea he didnt stop itJesse Morrell says:he preached his head offGreg Gordon says:he preached repentance of your false repentanceGreg Gordon says:finney preached repentance on paticular itemsGreg Gordon says:do you think thats essential?Jesse Morrell says:what caused your repentance?Jesse Morrell says:oppsJesse Morrell says:sorryGreg Gordon says:thats ok your question is betterGreg Gordon says:heheGreg Gordon says:like tcGreg Gordon says:tvGreg Gordon says:etcGreg Gordon says::PGreg Gordon says:https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=4224Greg Gordon says:The Power of Prayer (video)Jesse Morrell says:i was watching that right before this seminarJesse Morrell says:yes¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++jerryrowe@hotmail.com has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++jerryrowe@hotmail.com has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jesse Morrell says:yesJesse Morrell says:i like thatGreg Gordon says:not against tvGreg Gordon says:but against tv as an idolJesse Morrell says:what has kepted you walking in the faith?Greg Gordon says:amenGreg Gordon says:"your as safe as your quiet time"Greg Gordon says:word and prayer :)Greg Gordon says:yes!!!!Greg Gordon says:we must devour it constantlyGreg Gordon says:theres kjv NT on SermonindexGreg Gordon says:I want to get more up on the site :)jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Have you tried catechizing your youth?jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:No.jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Catechizing.jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:As in catechism...jerryrowe@hotmail.com says::)jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:S'okay.jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Like, what Richard Baxter used to do.Greg Gordon says:https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2225&forum=42Greg Gordon says::) sum of saving knoweldge :)jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Ok.Jesse Morrell says:i'm seen some of the "cooliest" youth gruopsGreg Gordon says:yea alot of brethren and other churches keep the youth in the main serviceJesse Morrell says:and found them to be the most sinfulGreg Gordon says:never seperateJesse Morrell says:do you believe in entire sanctification?Greg Gordon says:so they grow up properlyGreg Gordon says::o¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++Richard Brown has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Greg Gordon says:im doing some clairnet againJeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:I believe in "eventual entire sanctification":)Greg Gordon says:hehe¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++James Dziya has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jesse Morrell says:not that you can press a big red button and then boom you can't sin, but rather that it is possible for us not toJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:no such thing as total eradication... christ himself was temptedGreg Gordon says:hmm thats questionableGreg Gordon says:he went through trialsJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:he was temptedJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:"tempted in all things and yet without sin"Greg Gordon says:the word tempted is possibly not correct :P kjv slantJames Dziya says:was that in John?Greg Gordon says:hebrewsJames Dziya says:Oh, thanksGreg Gordon says:but the devil did tempt jesusGreg Gordon says:hehe so he was tempted :PJames Dziya says:haha :-)Jesse Morrell says:duncan campbell said something alone the lines of you'll never get to the place where it is impossible for you to sin, but praise be to God that you are in a position that it is possible for you not to.Jesse Morrell says:well thats it for my Qs¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++john.kelly@earthling.net has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jesse Morrell says:yes even Ravenhill mentioend in his his interview videoJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:i must get going, god bless, thanks greg for the meeting... don't forget to listen to the kingJimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says::PJesse Morrell says:yesGreg Gordon says:hehe the king has left the building¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Jesse Morrell says:so John Kelly came right at the endGreg Gordon says:Jimmy = kingjimmyjohn.kelly@earthling.net says:uhh so how long is left?Greg Gordon says:on the siteRobert Wurtz II says:Thanks for coming!Greg Gordon says:yesGreg Gordon says:wasjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:I do have a couple more questions, if you have the time,.....Greg Gordon says:he quotes his own version of KJVjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Okay. Thanks. :)jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:You did start mentioning how you chastized the youth./Greg Gordon says:no thats finejerryrowe@hotmail.com says:I see so little church discipline, I would be interested to know how you do, and how well it works.Greg Gordon says:spare not the rodGreg Gordon says::PGreg Gordon says:and he found no place for repentance?Greg Gordon says:wowJames Dziya says:That's kinda sadJesse Morrell says:when i was a camp counselor, i made my guys do pushups infront of everyone during meal time if they acted upGreg Gordon says:lolGreg Gordon says:I made them read the bibleGreg Gordon says::PJesse Morrell says:there u goGreg Gordon says:lol¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++john.kelly@earthling.net has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯James Dziya says:I see what you meanJesse Morrell says:wow thats badJesse Morrell says:my guys would be a few minutes late and every minute was ten pushupsJesse Morrell says:lolJesse Morrell says:it was all funGreg Gordon says:yea I love camps in the summerJesse Morrell says:so how long have u been in youth ministry?James Dziya says:Am i an hour late for this meeting?Jesse Morrell says:yesJames Dziya says:OoopsGreg Gordon says:EST¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯++john.kelly@earthling.net has entered the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯James Dziya says:Time zones!Greg Gordon says:its 10:09Greg Gordon says:yeaGreg Gordon says:heheJesse Morrell says:well i completely enjoyed this seminar, do you plan on doing more bro robert?Greg Gordon says:maybe you could do the victory 101 course :) its up to the Lord brotherjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:(Greg, do you think that Mr. Gordon here might like to corroborate on the thing I showed you?)Greg Gordon says:hmm you lost me jerryJames Dziya says:that sounds greatGreg Gordon says:maybe we need more repentance 1stGreg Gordon says:hehejerryrowe@hotmail.com says:(You know the *large* outline I sent you? :) )Greg Gordon says:ahh yes :PGreg Gordon says:but what with it .. thats madnessGreg Gordon says:a donkey will be speaking to me soonjerryrowe@hotmail.com says::) Okay.Jesse Morrell says:well i am offGreg Gordon says:God Bless JesseJesse Morrell says:Thank you greg for this and deffinately thank you robertJesse Morrell says:God Bless!Robert Wurtz II says:God Bless!Greg Gordon says:let me know about the next seminar as God leadsGreg Gordon says:cyaGreg Gordon says:umm yea pretty soon. in a fewJames Dziya says:I wish i had been in for the seminar. I am going to head out too.Greg Gordon says:im good if you are good for it.. I think it would benefit people. but if you want to continue on repentance..Jeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:It's tea time for meGreg Gordon says:hahahJames Dziya says:ByeJeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:tonight's been a blessingGreg Gordon says:its always tea time for jeremyRobert Wurtz II says:God bless!Jeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) says:God bless you too¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++James Dziya has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++Jeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com) has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:I suppose I must be on my way as well. Are you on SermonIndex normally, Mr. Gordon?Greg Gordon says:no hes mr wurtzGreg Gordon says:Robert WurtzGreg Gordon says:yesjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:*laugh*Greg Gordon says:thats why I was confusedjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Sorry, I tend to do that. Creature of habit.Robert Wurtz II says:RobertWGreg Gordon says:he has an extensive outline of theology robert, maybe you could send it to robertjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Oh! Oops.Greg Gordon says:robert could always help with the repentance part of itGreg Gordon says:its very extensiveGreg Gordon says:lots of good workGreg Gordon says::)jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Okay. I will try that. :)jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:realrevival@yahoo.comjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Right?Robert Wurtz II says:realrevival@yahoo.comjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Ok. I will send it soon.Greg Gordon says:yes its a .doc filejerryrowe@hotmail.com says:No, .rtf.john.kelly@earthling.net says:Well the stuff you had up to read about was refreshing, I wish I could have heard the seminar.jerryrowe@hotmail.com says::)Greg Gordon says:opps rtfGreg Gordon says:its all goodjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:.rtf will open on anything.jerryrowe@hotmail.com says:And it can't have viruses.jerryrowe@hotmail.com says::)Greg Gordon says:the seminar is loaded up on SI :)Greg Gordon says:without the video the audio is abit more clearjerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Great! I will see you guys later, then.Greg Gordon says:so it works welljerryrowe@hotmail.com says:Have a good night!john.kelly@earthling.net says:oh, so you can like download it?¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++jerryrowe@hotmail.com has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Greg Gordon says:yesRobert Wurtz II says:God Bless!john.kelly@earthling.net says:hmm I might just have to do this. Jesse just introduced me to this siteGreg Gordon says:great God blessGreg Gordon says:https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=4225Greg Gordon says:thats the audio file of the seminarGreg Gordon says:thats great brother johnjohn.kelly@earthling.net says:you guys are great... its hard to find real christiansGreg Gordon says:make sure you signup on the site johnGreg Gordon says:cya brotherRobert Wurtz II says:God Bless! Take Care!¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯+++Robert Wurtz II has left the meeting.¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Greg Gordon says:I have to head out brother JohnGreg Gordon says:great meeting you. make sure to register and feel free to pm me any questionsGreg Gordon says:byejohn.kelly@earthling.net says:Alright God bless and keep you¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Meeting Owner: Greg GordonCurrent Attendees: Richard Brown, James Dziya, jerryrowe@hotmail.com, Jesse Morrell, matt grace, Robert Wurtz II, Jeremy Lee (hulseyjeremy@hotmail.com), Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com), Just a Closer Walk With Thee (kbonev@hotmail.com), Daniel Foster (danielpfoster@hotmail.com), elizabeth (lizinchrist@msn.com), yolanda_diehl@hotmail.com (yolanda_diehl@hotmail.com), chad sepulveda (chadsepulveda@neo.tamu.edu), Connie Wooten (wootcon@hotmail.com), +Jim and Christine+ (thefamily_center@msn.com), Mike Balog, john.kelly@earthling.netEntered Meeting At: 2004-6-10 8:40:39 PMFile Saved at: 2004-6-10 10:20:51 PM

sermonindex Jun 11, 2004

Heres the audio archived from the seminar, it was a great conclusion to the 7 myths on repentance and the Lord really worked in peoples hearts who came to hear it live. I was very much challanged and still am pondering the words spoken, thank you so much brother Robert for doing this you are an blessing to the body of Christ.The 7 Myth's of Repentance - Part III with Robert Wurtz - When you think about repentance what are some of the evidences you should look for? Are tears a good indicator that a person has repented? What happens if I am ‘repenting’ to avoid the consequences of my sins? What if I do a whole bunch of good deeds after I sinned; does that mean I repented? In this discussion we will discover that repentance is more than tears, penitence, or any other outward expression. There are many misconceptions about repentance. In this session we will examine 7 myths concerning repentance.

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RobertW Jun 11, 2004

Have you tried catechizing your youth?I wanted to go back and answer this question as I didn't address it last night.I adopt the concepts, but do not have a rigid framework. In other words, I do not use a written catechism per se, however, I generally teach the scripture in such a way as to promote their being able to defend their beliefs. Doctrine is generally taught in their Sunday School Classes by a Teen Teacher. My messages are sermons.For my children at home:Q & A is a frequent method of teaching for me as I begin with questions that will help them think through the realities of various decisions that they make. I also emphasize the authenticity of my sources (the Bible) and require that the thinking remain in step with the real outcomes of their choices. If the authority of Scripture is not established- all of your arguments will be merely suggestions in their ears.A simple question might be:Question 1: Why were you created?Answer: For God's pleasureQuestion 2: What happens if I live to please self?Answer: I'm not living for God.Question 3: What happens if I refuse to live for God?Answer: Then by default I have chosen to live for sin and SatanQuestion 4: What happens if I follow satan?Answer: I end up where He is goingQuestion 5: Where is Satan heading?Answer: HellQuestion 6: Why was hell created?So on and so forth...God Bless,-Robert

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