Mormonism and Joel Osteen

I saw this on another forum so I'm putting it here. This isn't to smear or mock Joel Osteen, but to alert others to his dangerous theology

NEWS BRIEF: "Joel Osteen, Interviewed by Chris Wallace of Fox News, December 23, 2007

Transcript of this Interview

"WALLACE: And what about Mitt Romney? And I've got to ask you the question, because it is a question whether it should be or not in this campaign, is a Mormon a true Christian?

OSTEEN: Well, in my mind they are. Mitt Romney has said that he believes in Christ as his savior, and that's what I believe, so, you know, I'm not the one to judge the little details of it. So I believe they are. And so, you know, Mitt Romney seems like a man of character and integrity to me, and I don't think he would — anything would stop me from voting for him if that's what I felt like."

Not satisfied with Osteen's initial response, Wallace continues, taking a much stronger stand, one which is founded on more knowledge about Mormonism than Pastor Osteen evidently possesses!

"WALLACE: So, for instance, when people start talking about Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, and the golden tablets in upstate New York, and God assumes the shape of a man, do you not get hung up in those theological issues?

OSTEEN: I probably don't get hung up in them because I haven't really studied them or thought about them. And you know, I just try to let God be the judge of that. I mean, I don't know. I certainly can't say that I agree with everything that I've heard about it, but from what I've heard from Mitt, when he says that Christ is his savior, to me that's a common bond."

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Lord continue to protect those that are yours from these false teachers.

Blessings Greg

Osteen again? go figure.

I think we've beat a dead horse long enough...that the horse is black and blue.

but from what I've heard from Mitt, when he says that Christ is his savior, to me that's a common bond."

[u][b]James 2:19[/b][/u]

[i]You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble![/i]

Untill Jesus comes we will in some form or another be ruled by man.
No country has a theocracy.
And when you get down to it all churches and believers are flawed and poisoned with the hand of man.
Read willim brannam's prophecy and then take a good look at hillary.
She will make mitt look like a gift from heaven.
Joel knows we will never have a theocracy. Most any of the democrats will destroy what little Godliness is left.

David

Friends, not at all to be contrary here, but hoping to offer more perspective, if I could share this, that love

"thinks no evil"

Ignorance isn't nescessarily to be commended.

But neither is it good to look for evil, or to dig it up?

Love thinks no evil brothers. Could we say it does not look for it either?

Hi Katy-Did,

Thank you for your response.

Katy, you said

"Paul said it is a shame to even mention what they do in Secret."

Neither is it good to look for evil, or to dig it up.

Chris

When I was very newly converted I was participating on a message boards and during one of the discussions someone asked me,something to the effect:

"have you bought gold from Him, tried in the fire?"

Looking back I think it was an appropriate question. Maybe also if we are always looking at the dimness of others.

ChrisJD

Could you explain what you mean by:

quote: Neither is it good to look for evil, or to dig it up.

I cannot quite follow what you mean here nor about whom you are refering... is it Joel or Mitt?

Either way:

Perhaps it is not a matter of looking for and digging up but “discerning”. And on that subject the Word is very clear:
Psalms 97:10 (KJV) 10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Amos 5:15 (NKJV) 15 Hate evil, love good; Establish justice in the gate. It may be that the LORD God of hosts Will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph.

Joseph in this case representing Israel who had gone astray for so long because of compromise with evil and were in danger of severe judgments… that should sound familiar…

1 Corinthians 5:6 (NKJV) 6Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?

Galatians 5:9 - 10 (NKJV) 9A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.

Just agreed with you on another thread, but cannot see your point on this one:-( .

Clint

ChrisJD wrote:
When I was very newly converted I was participating on a message boards and during one of the discussions someone asked me,something to the effect:

"have you bought gold from Him, tried in the fire?"

Looking back I think it was an appropriate question. Maybe also if we are always looking at the dimness of others.

HomeFree89 wrote:
This isn't to smear or mock Joel Osteen, but to alert others to his dangerous theology.

So your really good if you can post someones name along with your reasons and not smear them, wow! just how do you do that? :-(

Heres another for Pastor Joel I think him and Jesus are running a close first for there names being brought up here, pretty sad when Joel's name is brought up more than Jesus. :-(

To me your post is political if it involves Mitt Romney, but some folks just like to keep the pot stirred to bad that pot don't have some good old home made beef stew in it, then it would be worth keeping the pot stirred. :-P

brentw wrote:
Osteen again? go figure.

I think we've beat a dead horse long enough...that the horse is black and blue.

That poor horse has been kicked, beat to death, buried, dug up, kicked again, beat to death, buried again that there folks is one tough horse, I wonder if one day when it's finally dead, if someone here will be able to resurrect it. :-P

Brother Clint, wanted to say in the other thread that it is good to have you with us sharing with one another the things of the Lord.

About this,

"I cannot quite follow what you mean here nor about whom you are refering... is it Joel or Mitt?"

First brother, thank you for being gracious in asking what I meant.

I mean that I do not think it is good for us to go looking for evil, or to go after it in looking for it, or to do so in bringing it up before each other, or to dig it up in other's lives or actions.

If God directs us to do so that is one thing.

But should we take it upon ourselves to do it otherwise?

Is this how the Lord Jesus spent His time?

Surely he rebuked wickedness, the scripture says of Him(or I believe it is speaking of Him there) that He would be a swift witness against it(Mal 3:5). But did He do it of His own accord? Did He sit in the gate and go on and on about the corruption of Herod, or the blindness of the religous leaders, or the oppression of the Romans, or the hardness of the people's hearts?

Or was it done in a time and setting, in a context, at an appropriate time, for God's purposes and glory.

Brother, I just wonder if all of this resembles more Mar's Hill than the Senates and courts of Zion, or of those who sit in Judgement at her gates.

I don't know brother. I am nothing. If God has told us to bring something up, who can say anything against it. But if we are doing it for some other reason, is that good? As with other things I think of our motives and the spirit and intent of what we are doing.

Wishing you all peace and grace from God,

Christopher

Katy,

Heat is good if it brings light also.

There are things that bring only heat, which are nothing more than friction.

I don't really know because I am not God but "my guess" would be that God would "probably" use folks with just a speck in there eye to go about exposing to the world Ministers and not the folks like me with a log in my eye and that is why I know that is not my calling.

Yes if you only have a speck in your eye go for it, but I sure am not going out and about exposing any Pastors that to me personally would be like the pot calling the kettle black. Now I do know there are the "O the so,so real Holy" that does no wrong that I feel God would probably use these folks to call out these Pastors and that's wonderful, because then that would rule out God sending a hypocrite to call them out.

I really wished I did have the time to call out the evil of the world, but I really have to spend to much time on myself so I just never have the time, it must be such a Wonderful Heavenly feeling to feel so good about your walk you can go about exposing others faults, God that has to be a good feeling, God I wished I could feel that way for just a few minutes, but I don't think I will make it there until I am in Heaven. :-)

Is there a differnce between rebuke and gossip?

If so, what would it be?

The wise and mature man finds his satisfaction in making a contribution that is worthy of praise, whether or not he ever receives any.