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BrianPaul Dec 26, 2007

I was wondering what kind of time some of you spend in prayer? What kind of schedules if any? I have become very influenced by the preaching of Leonard Ravenhill, and especially on prayer. I would like to hear where some of you men and women of God are at with this, that you might encourage me with seeing how you have developed this area of your life. Ravenhill talks much about these men who pray hours a day, and i long to understand what these men have done to get there. Anyway, im just rambling, please just let me know how much you pray so i can be encouraged. Maybe you can also let me know how much/often you pray with strong crying and tears as our Lord Jesus did.(Hebrews 5:8) I hope this post can be something for us all to be pressed into deeper love for God. So also post anything about prayer that you think could encourage us even if it is not in direct response to some of the questions i asked. Pray.

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Miccah Dec 26, 2007

If I may, I suggest reading the book "The Practice of the Presence of God" by Brother Lawrence. He was a 17th centry (I believe) monk who praticed the Lords presence in everthing that he did.

In my opinion, Brother Lawrence prayer life revials what we as the Church should always strive to do.

Personally, I pray troughout the day at various times. I find that since I can be on the road somedays up to 4 hours at a shot, I use this time to pray and talk to God. I would like to get up early and start the day off with the Lord, but I am a night owl. I usually spend time after everyone is asleep and focus on the Lord and prayer, BUT, I really would like to start doing this in the morning as well, before anyone is up.

Sermonindex moderator Greg posted a posting on this a while back. You may want to look as some of those responses as well. Short on time or I would try to link it for you :-)

Blessings

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jzmccauley Dec 27, 2007

As for scheduling, I found it helpful to make a spreadsheet of my week broken up into half hour chunks. By intentionally setting aside in advance specific times to pray, I actually pray now! Hopefully your life isn't so busy that you must carefully weave prayer into your calendar, but for me, the discipline of making time to pray has born more fruit than I saw praying only when I found time, which wasn't often. I've come to see this kind of discipline much the same way that I carefully make time for other relationships in my life that I cherish. As for the "when", I set aside time just before I go to bed, and just after I wake up.

As Miccah also suggested, Brother Lawrence offers a refreshing perspective on awareness and interaction with God on a moment to moment basis. Frank Laubach also has great stuff to share with those looking to incorporate unceasing prayer into their lifestyle. I'm reading a book right now that has compiled thoughts of both men into a single book. It's called "Practicing his Presence".

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BrianPaul Dec 27, 2007

I have read about half way or so through this book, "The Practice of the resece of God". I have also been reading a book which is a collection of 8 books from E.M. Bounds on prayer. I just finished reading Power Through Prayer by E.M. Bounds, which according to Ravenhill was a book that radically changed his prayer life when he was younger. I have been trying to keep myself reading works from fellow saints to keep me in the Spirit of prayer. I agree with Ravenhill that in that " prayer is the most demanding thing this side of eternity". See it is easy to talk about prayer but to actually pray is another thing, and then to pray in the Holy Ghost is yet another thing.
JZM, about being a night owl that would be me too. I usually do a ot of reading and pray then. But again to quote Ravenhill, he says that night owls are just lazy people, the great saints have been men who rose before the sun to start their day in the presence of the Lord. This is not to knock your prayer habits by any means. Just something to encourage you to wake in the morning. And ill tell you i dont speak from experience. I cant seem to wake early for the life of me. Maybe tomorrow ill try to wake early.

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brentw Dec 27, 2007

I have been reading "looking unto Jesus" by Isaac Ambrose....this book though very long is a book that totally keeps your thoughts on Jesus...
I've read Bounds and Bro. Lawerence also...but it takes our mind, thoughts, our all on Jesus at all times.
Ravenhill also said to read this book. Its deep but powerful...I have beeen reading it for devotions.

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Miccah Dec 27, 2007


BrianPaul wrote:
he says that night owls are just lazy people, the great saints have been men who rose before the sun to start their day in the presence of the Lord. This is not to knock your prayer habits by any means. Just something to encourage you to wake in the morning.

How can I wake up early if I'm sitting here posting so late at night? :-)

I beleive there is a place for the night owls of us. I am not in the category of Isiah 62:6 yet, but this is when it works for me, in which lies the issue in itself on this issue. Me, me, me.

I like the taking time at night instead of the morning, but it is not about what I like, and this (morning prayer) I need to start doing.

Thanks for the encouragement and wakeup call. Being a man of the night is more trying then being a man of the day.

sermonindex Dec 27, 2007

I din't think I was going to have anything to say in this thread, since my prayer life is anything but disciplined! But....

Miccah said

How can I wake up early if I'm sitting here posting so late at night?

I beleive there is a place for the night owls of us.

and I thought you'd all like to know that when David Wilkerson started out, he was giving 12mn - 3am to Bible reading and prayer. That was before he found himself in New York.

I suppose he did what came most naturally to him, and God honoured his heart. That's how I've lived through various random non-routines, and God has moved me on in prayer, also.

It seems more important to pray when one is urged to pray - and to pray in the Spirit when one prays - [i]those[/i] are the important disciplines - than to burden oneself with unattainable goals which are of outward significance only.

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BrianPaul Dec 27, 2007

to burden oneself with unattainable goals which are of outward significance only.

Amen. It cant ever be about outward show. I do have to say this night owl stuff works for me. One thing i noticed this evening when i left the house after working(i work at home), i went to starbucks to read and just get out of the house, i thought to myself how i felt as if i couldnt and didnt wan to interact with any of my friends until i spent time engaging my mind deeply in the things of God. After reading i was ready to go to a friends house.
Anyway, i would like to share this, and i hope this doesn't change to much where this thread is going, but i was reading The Way to Pentecost By Samuel Chadwick, of course another book recommended by Ravenhill,(i am trying to read all the recommended reading by Ravenhill. Looking Unto Jesus was also on the list) and the chapter was called Pentecost Life i believe, and it talked about basically receiving the filling of the Holy Spirit(or your own personal Pentecost(also this sounded like what i have heard about called the second blessing, which many saints can attest to) which is different than rebirth or salvation, and he talked about how in this your prayer life is drastically changed, and when this happens you pray as Romans 8 says, with groanings and utternance from the Spirit, and even also as Jude says praying in the Holy "Guest". My desire is to know this deep praying.
This hopefully is another thing to encourage us with. I was listening to Ravenhill just before i came home tonight while in the car, and he talked about how when God shows a last act of mercy here in these end times, the men he will be looking to anoint will be those who are spending a couple hours a day in prayer. Man, wouldn't we love to be those God chooses to use in the "Pentecost that will out Pentecost, Pentecost".

So its about 12:38am now, and its time to read and pray. Have a goodnight. Ho Ho Ho!

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InTheLight Dec 27, 2007

I believe discipline is of great importance in prayer. We know that battles in the spiritual realm are won on the ground of prayer. Therefore, the main goal of the enemy is to disrupt the prayer life in any way that he can.

Once we get to praying there is a battle to pray through in real spiritual prayer but I believe the main thurst of the enemy is in preventing us from even getting to the prayer closet in the first place. Think of how many things come up to grab our attention and take up our time, and I'm not talking about bad things but "good" things, even service for the Lord. If we leave praying to just times when we feel the urge we will find ourselves "urged" to do many other things.

Therefore I believe that definite seasons of prayer each day need to be adhered to. Consider it as applying the principle of tithing to your prayer life. Stick to it regardless of how you feel. Your going to have to take a stand, the prayer life isn't just going to come.

In Christ,

Ron

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BrianPaul Dec 27, 2007

If we leave praying to just times when we feel the urge we will find ourselves "urged" to do many other things.

Amen.

sermonindex Dec 27, 2007


Hi Ron,

I was aware these points might be made subsequently. I still believe one has to discern the voice of the Shepherd and that obedience to it is the more urgent discipline than prayer 'routine'. What I mean is: when necessity drives one to pray, one is motivated to hang on in there until one knows one has received one's petition. This necessarily means listening as well as speaking. This is where stamina develops. Having said this, I undertand God may have others following a routine of seeking Him, long before He appears to be engaging with them on every occasion (which may, of course, be a misapprehension on their part, also).

I had said

It seems more important to pray when one is urged to pray - and to pray in the Spirit when one prays - those are the important disciplines
which I believe is subtlely changed when phrased as you did, by introducing the word 'feel':
If we leave praying to just times when we feel the urge [b]we will find ourselves "urged" to do many other things[/b].[i](emphasis mine)[/i]
As you imply, if we [i]don't[/i] 'find ourselves urged to do many other things' it is probably a sign that our praying may pose little threat to the enemy.

I wasn't really suggesting [i]only[/i] praying when one is clear about the Spirit's promptings, but rather to say these are the opportunities we [i]must not[/i] neglect. Because I know these will build up confidence and a sense of purpose, and the answers cause us to give praise to God, which in turn lead us into more prayer.

Perhaps my comments are not at all helpful for those who have a very routine schedule, who really must make an appointment to pray, and keep it with God in all earnest mountain-removing intention no matter what arises to prevent.

Maybe one day I will be able to keep such a routine, but it's taken me years to shed the condemnation for [i]not[/i] being able to (because my days don't lend themselves to routine), and to find [u]God answers just the same[/u] even when not the remotest trace or evidence of routine can be demonstrated.


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brentw Dec 27, 2007

I used to condemn myself for not praying certain amount of time daily. Jesus never did though.

I was thinking this morning what Ravenhill said that "no man is more spiritual than his prayer life"...but how do we define this?? How is prayer measured so we can answer this??

I know alot of people who have ALOT of bible knowledge but very little prayer life?

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davet Dec 27, 2007

Hi BrianPaul.

Wanted to share a little with you about prayer, although I am just a novice, I am learning praise God and look to him for great things.

I was about 15 when someone gave me 6 Ravenhill tapes. They deeply stirred my heart and introduced me to the whole subject of revival.

I had a desire to pray and read God's word..... but I lacked any sort of discipline or attention span...... I had grown up on nintendo and it's instant feedback.

I told my mother that I had a desire... but there seemed no hunger or resolve to pray ( she told me to just get started with a little, and the hunger would come). She was right.

I began with about either 3 or 5 minutes of prayer and bible study the 1st day...... and it was hard.
But i consistently did this for a while, and then began to slowly increase, in a matter of months I continued until I was praying for about an hour, and reading God's word for an hour, I never thought that possilbe.

I began to have times of heavenly joy where I would jump up and down and shout praises that God had saved me, also there was depths of peace and times I sat in incredible still before God. Many times were just 'normal' nothing happened out of the ordinary and my emotions were not stirred, sometimes it was more difficult but I knew it was worth it.

My heart to see people converted grew, I started fasting, saw prayer answered, my personality began to change, I received the gift of tongues one night.....also there is times i prayed for over 2 hours and it felt like 15 minutes. Scripture became clearer, and power over temptation that ensnared me lost its grip. Oh the precious Grace of God, Jesus seemed to be my best friend!

I don't want to make it sound like it was all ice cream and cake, there were many trials, and most of the time I didn't feel like praying.

As I went off to college, my discipline in prayer began to slip, I was busy, and lived a little off of previous victories. I was still praying but sometimes I would miss days, and i knew I was not praying in the capacity that God by his grace had allowed me to move into.

Then I began to get these weird thoughts that would come across my mind "God is not alive, heaven does not exists". and shivers down my spines. I asked my mentor what was happening, he told me that he believed the Lord was telling him that there was demonic strongholds out at the university ( and most universities) and the enemy was attacking my faith.

I prayed about it and the Lord encouraged me keep my heart and mind in scriptures and in his presence, and the Lord would protect me against such evil thoughts.

I have began to pray and read the word of God again with new fervor, seeking intimacy with my best friend.

I have found that the two greatest difficulties for me are ...

the desire of pleasing flesh.... prayer does not please the flesh, it is mostly secretive and you receive little earthly glory. I am a person like many who like to get instant feedback.... instance pleasure, movies, t.v, sports do this. Prayer can be difficult because it takes time, patience, longsuffering..... it's rewards are eternal. Sometimes their is instant response, also times of great emotional joy. Other times their is times of slience and patience.... and my flesh getting no instant feedback kicks against this.

2nd is unbelief. If the flesh doesn't get you, unbelief will come in hard. Our carnal mind combined with the enemies lies come under attack, satan tells us that we are wasting our time... that God will not answer.. blah blah blah satan.

Wonderfully God has given us the ability in Him to overcomes.

1. The word of God. There is so many promises to God answering prayer... also there is many other promises we need to pray through.

just some verses paraphrased of the top of my head that have been greatly encouraging
"Draw near to me, and I will draw near to you"
"if you come to God you must believe that God is, and that He is a rewarded of those who diligently seek him"
"the parable of the persistent widow.."
"The Father who gives better gifts then an earthly father"
"Ask, seek ,knock, receive, find, open"
etc...."Elijah was a man of like passions (this refers to how he had temptations to pray or get distracted with the flesh like us) yet he prayed" Ravenhil loves that one.... and they go on and on.

2. Biographies and books on prayer. Andrew Murray's book on the believers prayer book was awesome. After reading it I repented of the sin of prayerlessness (something hardly ever preached on). And laid myself before God asking him to help me pray... in His power.

3. God gave me a prayer partner, and older man who loved to pray. Even when my own devotional times wain....... I have scheduled times with him to pray.


Anyways I am so excited about prayer right now!! God is able to above what we can ask or think.... exceeding aboundantly beyond! That is just a little of my life and where i am at right now. I didn't even have time to write the half of it.

But go on seeking the Lord Brother. Many,many,many people talk about the praying, and its power....... few, few, few people lay themselves before God and ask for the power to deny the pleasures of the flesh and seek the invisible one whom they Love. It comes at a great price, especially living in this modern day babylon of america, this country that is driven by the need for instant pleasure...... but the rewards are well worth it. But you know as I do that in the words of Ravenhill..... and experience of God that costs nothing, is worth nothing and does nothing.

in Christ's school of learning
dt

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BrianPaul Dec 28, 2007

Davet, thank you so much for your post. I am so encouraged. Many of the things you laid out are many things i am like minded on. I feel as if we were to hang out you would be right up my alley. I really am encouraged and motivated by those who enjoy and "respond" to the preaching of Ravenhill. (i personally quote Ravenhill like a parrot), it sounds like you might be the same somewhat. I also can say Ravenhill was the man that introduced me to revival and our need for it.
Also i noticed you mentioned Andrew Murray, i am reading Humility by him and it is good so far. I look forward to getting into some of his other works, and ill remember the one you mentioned on prayer.

I would hopefully like to encourage you all with this: last night when i prayed it was real. I am so excited that i am in a place of strong crying and tears, it helps in the "feeling" of being close to God and His heart. But i can say that when i arose this morning i felt drained as usual. It seems i can have a good night in the Word and prayer and feel dull in the morning. Also it was so hard to get up and want to read and pray this morning so i didn't. Im not sure so much why those hours of sleep so change my heart and minds awareness of God's majesty and realness. Just a side note here, It is so crazy that we know God, this is no joke as many talk as if it is, even real Christians. Its amazing how much we all just dont believe, and i can say your weak prayer life is a direct sign of this lack of belief. I even talked to a friend today, who i haven't seen at church for about a year, i asked her if she has been going to church anywhere and she said "no", and the typical "just busy, and i know its not an excuse", then i asked her if she has been reading the Word and praying, and i knew she would say no, as is common with those who leave the church. But something she said made me a little angry and encouraged me to believe more and be real, she said "yea, i just kinda stopped going because it seems like everyone is a hypocrite and doesn't seem to really believe". I don't accept her excuse, but i do believe it is valid, in that it is true. I see our unbelief in our churches and it throws people out because they don't see anything supernatural going on, everything looks like a bunch of people hanging out and being nice to each other. As Ravenhill says, "when was the last time you walked out of the sanctuary and didn't dare say a word because the Glory of God was there".
Man we need Revival.
We must believe to show the world our God is wonderful and powerful, and mighty to save.
"Saves to the uttermost, outtermost, and the guttermost"- Ravenhill.
One last thing to add, its a quote, "I looked for the church I found it in the world, then i looked for the world and I found it in the church". -Andrew Bonar
Let us not be those talked about in this quote.

sermonindex Dec 30, 2007


Hello brethren,

I didn't have time to read the last two posts last time this thread was further up the forum, but I didn't want to miss the good things you two had to share... and I was right! :-D

First, I'm sure you'd both be fed and encouraged by a sermon which is not directly about prayer, but about recognising and avoiding the falseness which is swamping some churches. I'm not in the US but I hear much about it on this forum, and from those with whom I speak by phone.

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=11764]Escaping the Theology of Babylon[/url] ~ Carter Conlon

BrianPaul, you said

I am so excited that i am in a place of strong crying and tears, it helps in the "feeling" of being close to God and His heart.
Once a long time ago, I asked God for a 'feeling' of peace, and I waited until it descended on me. It was false. It was just that - a feeling of peace. I know there is a place for tears in the Holy Spirit, and God gives them as you flow in Him, but I've noticed a tendency to assume that crying is intrinsically spiritual, and there have been those who preach as though without crying, God cannot move. I cried for years, and it was not always to do with my spirituality - although gradually I began to distinguish between one sort of tears and another. I also noticed that Holy Spirit tears are few in comparason with tears of sorrow and other sorts. But, the presence of the Holy Spirit is sure. EDIT: or can be recognised when He is moving. end edit.

But i can say that when i arose this morning i felt drained as usual. It seems i can have a good night in the Word and prayer and feel dull in the morning. Also it was so hard to get up and want to read and pray this morning so i didn't. Im not sure so much why those hours of sleep so change my heart and minds awareness of God's majesty and realness
This is something you have to anticipate, instead of letting it surprise you time after time. Go to bed consciously giving yourself to the Lord, asking Him to keep you, to minister to you while you're unconscious, to work in your life in areas which your mind would otherwise resist, and to use the time profitably for His glory as He knows best - and [i]trust[/i] Him with your mind, body, spirit and soul, in Jesus Name. There are bound to be days when you wake up feeling deader than usual, but remember the enemy is a practised counterfeiter. If you wake up feeling rubbish, just put it down to your humanity, and don't let it deflect you from a routine (if you have a regular getting up time). Get to your knees thanking God for another day; praise His goodness for keeping you; commit yourself to Him wholly... and you'll know immediately what you don't want to give to Him... so there's a place to start. But also, try to read some scripture early in this exercise. New Testament or Psalms are good for breaking open the day. Pray before you read. Read in a straight line (not bits and pieces), and when something arrests your attention, stop. This is what to pray about this morning.


Do I do this [i]every[/i] day...? don't ask... :-? But, I can testify that it works very well, and God has spoken to me [u]much[/u], as I've persevered.

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