THE HOLOCAUST AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

IN REMEMBRANCE of

THE HOLOCAUST AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

It is a matter of history that when Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the track of his tory some people will get up and say that this never happened'

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke

In Memorial

This week, the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offended' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.
This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. and 1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated while the German and Russian peoples were looking the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

Hi moe_mac,

Your source did not do his research properly, as the UK opted to have a national day of Holocaust remembrance, of which we have already had the first.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Memorial_Day_(UK)]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_Memorial_Day_(UK)[/url]

Hi Dorcus,
Actually I must confess, I did not confirm my source before I posted this thread and I normally do, but after I read your comment I did. Here is what I found, the public in the UK may recognize the Holocost, but not the school, which is what the article and the thread was about. I do make mistakes and try to admit them when I do. I am not real quick to embrace what I read on wilkipedia or for that matter this site either, but this story does confirms the thread about the UK change on the holocost in the UK schools.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/holocaust.asp
Have a great day
moe_mac :-D

Are they saying it never happened or are they saying that it never happened the way history is presenting it? I have been told that the numbers keep going up of how many died. Now they have included, JW's, Homosexuals, Gypsys and whatever other groups that want to include themselves in the 6 million that died.

I am not denying the Holocaust, I am just wondering if the Muslims are totally denying it or denying some things about the holocaust?

It seems to me they are just trying not to offend anyone, but it's all for naught. It would be nice if this did work. In other words, they are just saying whatever or not saying whatever to appease the people who worship Baal, whether it be truth or not. Kind like in America today. The first thing we decided was, we didn't won't God mentioned in our schools in 1963. Now we have moved on to Happy Holidays instead of Christmas so we don't offend anyone, and all kind of other stuff and hear what's God got to do with it from the left and they got that right, the goats on the left. Trainup a child in the way he should go and when he is old he won't depart from it and you can reverse that if we train him in the way he shouldn't go and a slim chance of him departing from it. Training a child starts in the home, but what does a child think when he observes his parents stand by a watch someone support people who are in favor of kicking God out of school? Hitler said he could take a child for the first 5 years and convert him. James Dobson says we have 12 to show them the right way and after that it's tough to ever turn them around. We people here in America are flirting with a potential leader whose middle name is Mohammad. If he comes to power this may be God's plan, I don't know, and if it is God's plan there is nothing we can do about it, but I'm sure even if it is his plan, he doesn't want me to agree with it anymore than he would want me to approve of Pharoh.
moe_mac

quote:
I love the Jews and would be one if I could choose my heritage.quote

heritage answer:
You can and you maybe already and just not know it yet. Jesus said who is my brother and my sister, the one that do the will of the Father and Jesus is Jewish.

Rom 8:13-14
13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
(from New International Version)

Matt 12:48-50
48 He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
(from New International Version)

Rom 8:15-17
15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
(from New International Version)

Gal 4:5-7
6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father." 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
(from New International Version)

Mark 14:35-36

35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 "Abba, Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will."
(from New International Version)

crsschk wrote:
Forgot one there brother;

[i]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.[/i] Rom 2:29

Amen, born fully fleshly Jewish man and fully God of the Spirit. The second Adam. We beheld the Glory as the only Begotten of the Father; full of grace and truth.

Hi brother ironwood,

I've been enjoying your posts, so please receive the following thought within the context of previous discussions of which you have not been a part. Your comment provides a springboard for slightly deeper examination of scripture, when you said

when the veil is lifted off of the Jews.

In Isaiah 59, the onus is on the individual to turn away from ungodliness. I'm going to quote the context using Young, who preseves the tenses of the verbs accurately.

17 For He put on righteousness as a breastplate,
And a helmet of salvation on His head;
He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing,
And was clad with zeal as a cloak.
18 According to [i]their[/i] deeds, accordingly He will repay,
Fury to His adversaries,
Recompense to His enemies;
The coastlands He will fully repay.
19 So shall they fear The name of the LORD from the west,
And His glory from the rising of the sun;
When the enemy comes in like a flood,
The Spirit of the LORD will lift up a standard against him.
20* " The Redeemer will come to Zion,
And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob," Says the LORD.
21 "As for Me," says the LORD, "this [i]is[/i] My covenant with them:
My Spirit who [i]is[/i] upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your descendants, nor from the mouth of your descendants' descendants," says the LORD, "from this time and forevermore."

In verse 20 (above), we find the same emphasis on the individual's turning, as Paul gives in 2 Corinthians 3:

15 but till to-day, when Moses is read, a vail upon their heart doth lie,
16** and whenever [u]they may turn unto the Lord[/u], the vail is taken away.
17 And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord [i]is[/i], there [i]is[/i] liberty;

The reason I draw this out, is that Paul had taken Isaiah 59:20 to show that the Redeemer has already come to Israel, in Romans 11:26b

"The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;"

Thinking about this in the context of another current discussion in the S + D forum, I realised it may look as if I'm saying people save themselves, but that is not what I mean. The force of Paul's reversing the verb in Romans 11 is to say that God knew He had to come and open the way for the return to Him. It is an acknowledgement of the limitations of the Law as well. Nevertheless, faced with Jesus Christ, those who [i]see[/i] who He is (John 1:11 - 14: 'we beheld His glory') and believe, are saved.

This was Paul's word to Jews first, and also to 'Greeks':

Romans 10:8 (KJV)
But what saith it?

The word is nigh thee, [i]even[/i] in thy mouth, and in thy heart:

that is, the word of faith, which we preach...

This was not a new thought to Jews, as Moses had said:

Deuteronomy 30:14
But the word [i]is[/i] very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

I continue to resist the rumour that God is going to take away the vail from all Jews in a supernaturally sovereign act, before the Lord returns, as Israel's blindness has always been partial only, and as Jews received Him in person when He walked on earth, the way [u]is open still[/u].

No-one (Jew or Greek) is exempt from making a response to that revelation, and Paul makes it clear that the person receiving the revelation of Christ, may turn to Him. Immediately. AMEN!

This is GOOD NEWS.

It will be a glorious day for the entire body of Christ

Good point Dorcas and I agree the veil split when Jesus said it is finished. I'll let Ironwood speak for hinself, but I just wonder was he referring to when the wild Olive shoot will be grafted back in, after the rapture of HIS church, when the fullness of the gentiles has come.
Rom 11:24-26

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel,[b]until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in[/b].
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
KJV
Rom 11:17-23

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in:[b]for God is able to graff them in again.[/b]
KJV

Hi moe_mac

I just wonder was he referring to when the wild Olive shoot will be grafted back in, after the rapture of HIS church, when the fullness of the gentiles has come.

I don't believe there will be time to be saved [i]after[/i] the Lord returns.

Thus, I believe that those who are saved - that is, who have become part of the Church - the olive tree with [i]all[/i] its branches - both Jews and Gentiles - will have been grafted into Christ the Root, [i]before we are caught up to be with the Lord[/i].

The return of Jews to a land of Israel I can make sense of only after all those Jews who should be saved, have been saved. Will the Lord have returned before they get their land, or, is that one of the things which happens [i]because of His return[/i]? I don't know.

Hello ironwood. Amen to your thoughts above.

Perhaps you saw a recent thread in which I tried to bring our thinking in line with scripture, in that it was Romans who killed Jesus, and this accords with what He prophesied to His disciples about His death at the hands of [i]Gentiles[/i].

While accepting Jews were implicated by their actions and claim that 'His blood be on us and on our children', it was a Roman who pierced Him. All this is only one tiny aspect of God's goodness to [i]all[/i] of us in sending [u]the Saviour[/u]. There is more discussion in the thread, should you care to look it up.

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=21059&forum=36&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0]I'm not joking... who do you believe killed Jesus?[/url]

This all changed when Theodore Herzl's disciples came to the Holy Land.

dorcas wrote:

Hello ironwood. Amen to your thoughts above.

Perhaps you saw a recent thread in which I tried to bring our thinking in line with scripture, in that it was Romans who killed Jesus, and this accords with what He prophesied to His disciples about His death at the hands of [i]Gentiles[/i].

While accepting Jews were implicated by their actions and claim that 'His blood be on us and on our children', it was a Roman who pierced Him. All this is only one tiny aspect of God's goodness to [i]all[/i] of us in sending [u]the Saviour[/u]. There is more discussion in the thread, should you care to look it up.

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=21059&forum=36&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0]I'm not joking... who do you believe killed Jesus?[/url]

I don't believe, unless I've forgotten, I ever clicked up the thread, but I'm sure this was covered by someone in the thread. Now, I gotta go read the thread.
Later
moe_mac