The Rambling Prophetic

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HIServant Jan 9, 2008

What I hear too often, "America is going to crash and burn! It's going to be missiles, or bombs, or earthquakes! Maybe we have 1 year left, maybe two! Woe is us!" As I discussed this with a brother, what do you say then to your children, "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die?" PERISH THE THOUGHT! This time is prime for stretching out to preach hope and salvation to the Lost in their hour of most desperate need! NOT to talk about all the details that WE THINK will happen...because we cannot point to scripture and find either the destruction of America in such manner nor the great improvement and huge success of America in this time either.

Regardless we must only BASE our prophetic teachings on the accuracy of the WORD alone...not feelings nor visions. My concern as is my friends this day when we spoke...is that we base all this prophecy on what we think we hear. Rhetorically, am I wrong then for basing my faith in these times on what GOD says...instead of the incessant voices of rambling prophetical leaning souls..self approving and jointly certifying each other?

What HIS WORD says….Jeremiah 14:14: “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.”
Lamentations 2:14 “Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.”
Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 24:11 “And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.”
Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
Mark 13:22 “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.”
Luke 6:26 “\tWoe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
2 Peter 2:1 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
1 John 4:1 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

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The “prophets” proclaim great destruction
in a way which is grievous to CHRIST…
Though “light” is HIS burden and “easy” HIS yoke,
still they preach so one fears for their life.

Though End Times seem surely upon us,
“All’s demise” often voiced fails to bless.
Creating distress when our LORD speaks of peace
births the question…”Why sense I no rest?”

This span which precedes HIS appearing
should be viewed with great zeal for the Lost!
So rather than listen to subjective servants,
my hopes are entwined with HIS cross!

As HIS servant in your service,
WVW Jasnoch 1/8/08

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Putting "America" to the side for a moment - what does God say to The WORLD in HIS WORD?

When people like David Wilkerson or others of his ilk, speak judgment upon this nation - WHY is it?

Despite whether we are going to see judgment, today or five years from now - how long can a nation - ANY nation - continue to kill, and sin to the extremes that some nations have?

Has GOD changed?

Do these verses mean anything?

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3~~[b]~~ For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.[/b]
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation.

Jer 6:11 Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon~~[i]~~ the children abroad[/i], and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.
Jer 6:12 And their houses shall be turned unto others, with their fields and wives together: for I will stretch out my hand upon the inhabitants of the land, saith the LORD.
Jer 6:13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
Jer 6:14 ~~[b]~~They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.[/b]
Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
Jer 6:17 ~~[b]~~Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
Jer 6:18 Therefore hear, ~~[u]~~ye nations[/u], and know, O congregation, what is among them.
Jer 6:19 Hear, ~~[u]~~O earth[/u]: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it. [/b]
Jer 6:20 To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.
Jer 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbor and his friend shall perish.
Jer 6:22 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, a people cometh from the north country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth.
Jer 6:23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee,~~[i]~~ O daughter of Zion. [/i]
Jer 6:24 We have heard the fame thereof: our hands wax feeble: anguish hath taken hold of us, and pain, as of a woman in travail.
Jer 6:25 Go not forth into the field, nor walk by the way; for the sword of the enemy and fear is on every side.
Jer 6:26 ~~[i]~~O daughter of my people[/i], gird thee with sackcloth, and wallow thyself in ashes: make thee mourning, as for an only son, most bitter lamentation: for the spoiler shall suddenly come upon us.
Jer 6:27 I have set thee for a tower and a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way.
Jer 6:28 They are all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: they are brass and iron; they are all corrupters.
Jer 6:29 The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away.
Jer 6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.

I challenge anyone who hates hearing judgment to tell me, just how much effort do they put into soul winning on a daily basis?

Whether we live in good times or bad - we are to go into all the world and preach the gospel.

Even reading the early church fathers, they thought judgment would come, the last days type, even in there time --- but they still carried the Gospel around the world.

The LORD could use these calls to propel the complacent into "occupying until He comes" as He commanded.

Rather than call them all false prophets and find yourself in hot water - possibly it may just be for you and whomever else to just "be about the Father's business" and leave the judging to the LORD of anyone that says a negative word against your or anyone else's country.

You'd have to be a prophet yourself to go too far in pronouncing too many others as false.

Think about some who are Speakers on this site and then look at your list of Scriptures.

Judging either way there. We must be careful and work while it's yet day - whether they are right or wrong.

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HisServant, Good Point!

I can relate to what you are saying.

We are instructed to live by Faith, and not by sight.

We live by the faith of Christ in us, setting our affections on things above and not below.

As Christians, regardless of the times any of us are called to live in or through, as I see down through History, from Genesis on, The Saints lived by Faith.....Hebrews 11!!

Love in Christ
Katy :-)

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I do agree with you on that there is no mention about the destruction of America in the bible nor it's success. Since I do not believe in what everyone else believes in that these are the Last Days of planet Earth, however I do believe regarding the powers that be namely nations that God has strengthened as a superpower, in that their time has come when the balances are found wanting.

There are many scriptures that tell us of great nations that when they begin to trust in themselves instead of the God that made them great, trouble is on the horizon. It begins when the light of Gods' people are darkened and we take on the nature of the world thus letting down our standard and settling for a bowl of pottage instead of the presence of the holy Spirit.

There is always one or more persons who is standing in the gap and making up the hedge. When we all fail to take our place, Christ Jesus who is the one that is Faithful and True will always stand in the gap and make up the hedge until we, all of us once again offer ourselves as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God which is our reasonable service, then we with our LORD will hold back the gates of hell. For it is written that we are the church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her because Christ our Head has prevailed and the enemy cannot prevail against Him no more.

It's not too late for America or the other nations of the world that is in agreement with her. We think that if we just sit back and wait for all the destructions to come to pass that that is what God wants to do. I tell you the truth, "It's not His will that any should perish but all come to the knowledge of the truth". Though He may say that He will destroy and spare not, lets not take God at His word, lets do what Moses did and stand in the gap and make up the hedge and cry unto God to spare this nation and all nations alike. For this is what God is searching for, someone who will not be satisfied with the decree. The disciples wanted fire to come down and destroy destroy destroy, but Jesus said, "You know not what spirit you are of". God is not into destruction, but He will use it to do what He must do. But He wants us to be merciful, show kindness, to be longsuffering. It's this fruit that He longs to see in us, for they bear His character. His investment in us has not been wasted, when He sees the fruit, He sees Christ being formed in you.

Please don't misconstrued my words when I said, "Lets not take God at His word". Certainly we are to take God at His word, but I am talking about when God is ready to destroy, lets not be satisfied with His decree, lets stand in the way and intercede. Lets block Him, lets throw ourselves in His path. Look what God said to Moses.

Deuteronomy 9:14 Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they.

"Let me alone" in our vernacular that would be, "Leave me alone".

We say, "God is God and He'll do anything that He wants." And here is a man of God irritating as it were the God of heaven to spare His people. Amazing.

We don't know our God at all.

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I do not believe in what everyone else believes in that these are the Last Days of planet Earth

Why not?

Not sure if ~~[i]~~everyone[/i] else believes it though...
And there are ~~[b]~~Biblical[/b] prophecies that haven't been fulfilled yet. For example, the "Gog and Magog" war. There has apparently not been ~~[i]~~any[/i] time in history so far when all the nations spoken of there (their modern equivalents that is) unite to attack Israel. Yet now things are building up that way...

Love in Him

Jeannette

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Katy-did wrote:
HisServant, Good Point!
I can relate to what you are saying.
We are instructed to live by Faith, and not by sight.
We live by the faith of Christ in us, setting our affections on things above and not below.
As Christians, regardless of the times any of us are called to live in or through, as I see down through History, from Genesis on, The Saints lived by Faith.....Hebrews 11!!
Love in Christ
Katy :-)

Amen.

However, the signs of the times are plainly indicating that it may not be long before the Lord returns.

So we do need to be ready, more than ever before.

I think I said in another thread that I will be surprised if I die before the Lord returns, and I'm 60 this year! It won't matter either way, just I'd be surprised!

in Him

Jeannette

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Compliments wrote:
I do agree with you on that there is no mention about the destruction of America in the bible nor it's success.
...I do believe regarding the powers that be namely nations that God has strengthened as a superpower, in that their time has come when the balances are found wanting.
There are many scriptures that tell us of great nations that when they begin to trust in themselves instead of the God that made them great, trouble is on the horizon. It begins when the light of Gods' people are darkened and we take on the nature of the world thus letting down our standard and settling for a bowl of pottage instead of the presence of the holy Spirit.

True, it doesn't really need a prophet to see that. As I said, we only need to be able to read the signs of the times.

There is always one or more persons who is standing in the gap and making up the hedge. When we all fail to take our place, Christ Jesus who is the one that is Faithful and True will always stand in the gap and make up the hedge until we, all of us once again offer ourselves as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God which is our reasonable service,

It is He in us who stands in the gap, we can't do it ourselves. I'm sure you agree, but just wanted to make that clearer in case anyone thinks ~~[i]~~we[/i] can do it

then we with our LORD will hold back the gates of hell. For it is written that we are the church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her because Christ our Head has prevailed and the enemy cannot prevail against Him no more.

The quote about the gates of hell not prevailing doesn't mean that the earth will go on for ever, or that evil won't continue to increase.

Indeed it has to for the Lord to return (which I think you said you ~~[i]~~do[/i] believe). Scripture says that the "harvest" both of good and evil has to come to ripeness on the earth before the Lord sends in His reapers. Which means that evil will become more and more evil in the world, in spite of our prayers. Although, as you said re Moses, the Lord may indeed delay this in response to our intercession, (or rather, HIS in us).

The victory of God's true people will be similar to Jesus' victory on the Cross, and by His power. Thus the gates of hell will indeed not prevail against us, even if we are slain for His Name. The end of Hebrews 11 and Revelation 2-3 shows that, who the overcomers are, and by what means they overcome. Not by pushing back the Enemy in the world, but by laying down our lives (maybe literally) when the he "comes in like a flood".

It's not too late for America or the other nations of the world that is in agreement with her. We think that if we just sit back and wait for all the destructions to come to pass that that is what God wants to do. I tell you the truth, "It's not His will that any should perish but all come to the knowledge of the truth". Though He may say that He will destroy and spare not, lets not take God at His word, lets do what Moses did and stand in the gap and make up the hedge and cry unto God to spare this nation and all nations alike. For this is what God is searching for, someone who will not be satisfied with the decree. The disciples wanted fire to come down and destroy destroy destroy, but Jesus said, "You know not what spirit you are of". God is not into destruction, but He will use it to do what He must do. But He wants us to be merciful, show kindness, to be longsuffering. It's this fruit that He longs to see in us, for they bear His character. His investment in us has not been wasted, when He sees the fruit, He sees Christ being formed in you.

AMEN!

Please don't misconstrued my words when I said, "Lets not take God at His word". Certainly we are to take God at His word, but I am talking about when God is ready to destroy, lets not be satisfied with His decree, lets stand in the way and intercede. Lets block Him, lets throw ourselves in His path. Look what God said to Moses.
Deuteronomy 9:14 Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they.
"Let me alone" in our vernacular that would be, "Leave me alone".
We say, "God is God and He'll do anything that He wants." And here is a man of God irritating as it were the God of heaven to spare His people. Amazing.
We don't know our God at all.

No indeed, we can't put Him in a box with a neat label!

Yet, in the end destruction will come.

Even though Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah it was destroyed some years later...

How can the Lord create a "new heavens and a new earth" unless He first dissolves the old one. Not by flood any more (as He promised Noah) but by fire.

I'm sure you are aware of the scriptures on this, but will look them up if wanted...

Though probably not tonight!

Bless you, Brother, you always stimulate and make me think more deeply on things!

in Him

Jeannette

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So we do need to be ready, more than ever before.

Jeannette, I couldn't agree with you more.

You mentioned Israel, and that is where our eyes and prayers if on anything here on earth should be.

Paul said, Wake up!

Keeping both in mind, John leaves us with this:

1 John 3
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Love in Christ
Katy

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HIServant Jan 10, 2008

Thank you for all your feedback. I may have missed my intended point but not by far. I know, as those who post here, what Scriptures say and agree that judgment and all that GOD shares regarding End times with us WILL come to pass.

I agree that we need to be prepared. Were my comments based on NOT wanting to hear of it? Not at all. My comments are to those who feel called to be prophets to be wary of their words and the way they state it. Death and life is in the power of the tongue...thus the spoken and written word as well.

If I preach judgement and HEll fire and brimstone and the end of all things because HE calls me to it, GLORY! That is purposed!

HOwever, I review the sheer overload on multiple sites and venues such as radio and TV and there is little to no hope given. Only the damnation of all and no encouragement of CHRIST's hope in the message to build someone up...to encourage them to preach to the LOST with a greater fervency...which I now feel!

I have been blessed by GOD to scribe over 2,000 poems for HIS glory with scriptural support. 40 years worth of study of HIS WORD and display of HIS gift for which I am unworthy..yet so thankful. So if one is surely called to prophecy, Amen! But to bang the drum WITHOUT HIS indwelling or calling...does great damage. I admitted and continue to admit being a flawed vessel. I would love to know that all I hear and read about End Times from the Body is sent and approved by GOD. But I am reminded of the 400 prophets of Baal who spoke to Ahab what he wanted to hear. Only 1 spoke for GOD. Who are the prophets of Baal today? Does not satan array his messengers as messengers of light...yet disguising and end time message so that the result is not spiritual fear of GOD but physical fear of bombs, famine, disease, etc?

When the numbers filling the airwaves and blogs near "countless", I know that many do NOT speak for GOD.

The only REAL PROOF IS THE WORD OF GOD. Show me differently. Thus,40 well known prophets "confirming" something as from GOD is suspect to me with the very mention of it.

I dont have all the answers but have realized through my many travels and many years...only the BIBLE is truth and if I cant point to a passage of scripture for DEFINITIVE answers...then what I am told by others cannot be more than "their version". Else I run to an fro...listening for what the prophets are saying and NOT to what GOD is speaking to me in a still small voice. That is the reality which is presently drawing many, less mature christians to follow the word of man and not of GOD.

There is no disrepect nor condemnation of prophets. Simply a recommendation to carefully weigh what we feel compelled to write or say regarding end times.

The weaker christians, I am seeing daily, are falling under the weight of so much fear. That is not HIS SPIRIT.

My tears and my encouragements are for them.

C

Compton Jan 10, 2008

I understood you brother.

If we stare at evil long enough it might just crawl into our skulls and start looking out through our eyeballs. A little research is a fine thing, but an obsession is not a burden to be trusted. There is a healthier devotion.

"And they were continually devoting themselves to the Apostles' teaching (what is now the bible) and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer." ~~ Acts 2:42"

Tony Evans tells about a cruise ship he and his wife were on. One evening the captain announced that a storm was coming and that the passengers should return to their quarters. The storm did come, and with 50 foot waves it was violent enough to knock furniture over, even sliding the grand piano in the ballroom. Mrs. Evans became so agitated that she called the captain, demanding to know why he allowed the ship to enter this storm. The captain's assistant called her right back, and after patiently listening to her layman's opinion on navigation at sea, he respectfully assured her, Mrs. Evans, this ship was engineered and built with this storm in mind.

Likewise, we are kept safe in a savior who has our storms in mind as well. Your life is hid with Christ in God. This is true not just for us who have perfect theology. ;-)

Come let us reason...which of us will be more prepared for the 'end-times': he who spend his days looking at the evil of this world, or the one who spends his days looking at Jesus, and building up the body with his preoccupation with Christ? I am not wanting to be disrespectful, trite or insulting.

This is a crucial question with an answer that has been becoming more clear to me in recent weeks.

The weaker christians, I am seeing daily, are falling under the weight of so much fear. That is not HIS SPIRIT.
My tears and my encouragements are for them

Brother that's me. I am the weaker. To the Lord, I need Thee every hour, in joy or pain; Come quickly and abide, or life is in vain. I thank you for your tears...they are precious to me.

MC

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HIServant Jan 10, 2008

~~[b]~~[size=small]"If we stare at evil long enough it might just crawl into our skulls and start looking out through our eyeballs. A little research is a fine thing, but an obsession is not a burden to be trusted. There is a healthier devotion."[/size][/b]

MC, thank you for your words. That is HOW I feel. Pointing at all the negatives which the LORD has pointed out in HIS WORD are surely coming at some point, being prepared as such and taking the measures necessary is what we are called to do.

We need to be prepared. But always looking for the evil and the signs has transformed countless souls that I come across into weakened vessels who are too fearful to stretch out farther for the LOST in this amazing hour of biblical prophecy.

I am constantly reminded of my own errors in sharing this topic in love with both Christians and the Lost. But is not GOD's SPIRIT one that fills us with peace...in the midst of the storm?

Detail heaped upon detail clouds the truth which, in analogy, Mrs. Evans missed and which many weaker vessels are missing...as well as self at times. We look upwards first and foremost from whence comes our help! The ever growing majority of prophecy across the board today -- without any indictment, criticism or condemnation of any here -- seemingly is getting louder and louder for me to turn my attention SIDEWAYS. "Look over here! See that! Be MORE prepared! Listen to this tape and start learning as much as you can!"

That doesnt bring me nor countless other believers any peace. EVERYONE IS WIRED DIFFERENTLY in the Body of CHRIST. So too then when I see people failing under the weight of the ever increasing amount of "crisis" preaching BECAUSE NO ONE POINTS BACK TO THE CROSS AND OUR HOPE WITH ENOUGH CLARITY AND ENCOURAGEMENT.

Maybe I am but a small number who witness the carnage left behind, who also got swept up in the tidal wave and chaotic swirls of prophetic fear. "But blessed are those and believe who have NOT seen and yet believe" JOhn 20:29 is a verse that applies in my life.

Though countless dont get it and need preached to, countless more DO get it and dont need every "detail" which is irrefutably based on visions and dreams are are subject to inaccuracies.

I love the BOdy of CHRIST and encourage both Self and all to weigh our words, to look for how others are reacting as we speak because we could easily cause our brother and sister to stumble with a clouded perspective that ALL need the shotgun/widespread/one message fits everyone I meet.

Thanks for everyone's feedback. Let us stay centered on the HOPE of our calling....not what we're being called from.

We read HIS commandment also is to be still and know that HE is GOD!"

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The quote about the gates of hell not prevailing doesn't mean that the earth will go on for ever, or that evil won't continue to increase

Why does the LORD need to return? Is His Kingdom not established IN US? Will the Kingdom of God come by observation in Jerusalem? Will the Mount of Olives really separate and literal H20 flow through?

When Jesus said you must be born again, did He mean that you are to go back into your Mothers womb and be reborn? Of course not!
Then why are we taking the literal words and literally interpreting them? We are no different then Nicodemus with his question!

False teachers read in the Holy Bible about Gog and Magog and they automatically conclude it's got to be Russia because they are the "king of the north". Or the ships of Chittim must be China. Or a "Confirmed Covenant with many" must be a signed peace treaty with Israel.

Poppycock!! :-P

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HIServant Jan 10, 2008

Thank you for your feedback. My wisdom isnt HIS. Thus, I pray for interpretation and understanding for my own peace and devotions. Literal, Figurative, etc interpretations cannot be irrefutable in the wide majority of cases that several mainstream pastors, evangelists, prophets are stating it as such. As though the interpretation is good enough to tout as "Gospel Truth". When coupled with others "revelations" ... by many far more diligent in the faith than I...you have greater and greater degrees of seperation from HIS WORD.

Am I ready? Yes. Do I want others to be ready? Yes. Am I justified in paralyzing them with clearly unproveable points to the level of not witnessing to the lost or serving CHRIST.

No. That is contrary to HIS WORD. Let us serve in our gifts then with careful consideration. I can listen to reason after reason, commmentary after commentary and find that I've just spent 80-90% of my "devotional" time chasing content that cannot be proven.

So let us choose to bless others during that time to get them prepared...because at some point, the details become irrelevant. There will be HIS return, there will be more wars and more signs. How many and to what degree dont really add to HIS revealing that this will happen.

The Pharisees (no jab or indictment of any here) knew FAR more than us...and missed the boat completely. Their great study and attention to detail gained them nothing.

Since no man knows the hour of HIS return, let us pursue the Great Commission up till that moment and not elsewhere...for HIS glory.

I will cease posting on this and return to the poems. Thank you all for your feedback once again. Amen and amen.

P

Psalm73 Jan 10, 2008

HiServant wrote:
The only REAL PROOF IS THE WORD OF GOD. Show me differently. Thus,40 well known prophets "confirming" something as from GOD is suspect to me with the very mention of it.
I dont have all the answers but have realized through my many travels and many years...only the BIBLE is truth and if I cant point to a passage of scripture for DEFINITIVE answers...then what I am told by others cannot be more than "their version". Else I run to an fro...listening for what the prophets are saying and NOT to what GOD is speaking to me in a still small voice. That is the reality which is presently drawing many, less mature christians to follow the word of man and not of GOD.
Let's shed some reformation light on these prophets, for through covetousness making merchandise of many. It's not about my words, it's about the scripture that is presented and avoiding interpetations that are private, we study this text, the 1537 Thomas Matthew with modern text avaiable only at faithofGod.net.
Prophets have to preach according to the lines of Ezekiel and Jeremiah, instead of following men's doctrines and teaching for filthy lucre's sake.
Ezekiel 36 25 ¶ Then will I pour clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: Yea from all your uncleanness and from all your Idols shall I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put into you: As for that stoney heart, I will take it out of your body, and give you a fleshly heart.
27 I will give my spirit among you, and cause you to walk in my commandments, to keep my laws, and to fulfill them.
28 And so ye shall dwell in the land, that I gave to your forefathers, and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Tyndale was a man of God who translated the scripure in a time where men's commandments were easy to come by, and an actual person who understood the scriptures (a mystery) exactly. Actually, this website's preachers teach and preach men's doctrines.
Galations 1 10 ¶ Seek I now the favour of men, or of God? Other go I about to please men? If I studied to please men, I were not the servant of Christ.
11 I certify you brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me, was not after the manner of men,
12 neither received I it of man, neither was I taught it: but received it by the revelation of Jesus Christ. (1526 Tyndale)
Understand these scriptures, if another gospel you are carrying comes up preaching the commandments of men (which turn from the trueth)
, hold such a one accursed. Not me, examine me, see if I am carrying the trueth, because a lot of preachers teach men's precepts and people think they have of God, while ignorant of the scripture, either due to 1 poor bible version or lacking basic understanding 2 Under the blinding sensations of these preachers which understand not what they affirm. 3 Wilful disobedience after recieving the commandment, (neither be ye worshippers of idols I Cor 10:7)

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Compliments wrote:
Why does the LORD need to return? Is His Kingdom not established IN US?

Yes, of course; but that isn't the whole story. Despising - even denying - the physical in favour of the spiritual is the error of gnosticism.

Will the Kingdom of God come by observation in Jerusalem? Will the Mount of Olives really separate and literal H20 flow through?

Why not?

When Jesus said you must be born again, did He mean that you are to go back into your Mothers womb and be reborn? Of course not!
Then why are we taking the literal words and literally interpreting them? We are no different then Nicodemus with his question!

There is a big difference. If you take this attitude to its logical conclusion you would disbelieve that Jesus literally died and rose from the dead.

The main difference in this example is that it is clearly impossible to be physically born again from your mother's womb, while it is ~~[u]~~by no means impossible[/u] for an earthquake to split the Mount of Olives, and water to gush out.

False teachers read in the Holy Bible about Gog and Magog and they automatically conclude it's got to be Russia because they are the "king of the north". Or the ships of Chittim must be China. Or a "Confirmed Covenant with many" must be a signed peace treaty with Israel.

How do you know that ~~[i]~~they[/i] are the false teachers, and not those who have influenced you?

Poppycock!! :-P

Brother, it grieves me greatly that you are aligning yourself with those "scoffers" who Peter spoke of (2Peter 3)

[color=990000]3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us–ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But ~~[i]~~~~[b]~~the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.[/b][/i]
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 ~~[i]~~~~[b]~~Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness[/b][/i].[/color]

Jesus is coming again because the Bible says so!

And because it is necessary

1Cor 15:
[color=990000]22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24 ~~[i]~~~~[b]~~Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.[/b][/i][/color]

Wasn't Jesus living in Peter and Paul by the Spirit? So why did they yet look forward to Jesus' return?

Has the "last enemy", death been destroyed yet?

Do you really think that the Lord would leave the earth in the state it is now?

Certainly some parts of Scripture are symbolic, or allowing only for a spiritual or figurative interpretation, but by no means all. Like the example you gave, most of these are plainly not to be taken literally. One could add others - Jesus is not a literal door for example, and He didn't invite the disciples to literally eat His body and blood!

But He really did die on the Cross, and really did rise, and is really coming back.

Many visionary writings (such as Revelation) that contain a lot of symbolism, still speak of literal physical events.

Do not mock, but seek the Lord. I believe that you have been seriously misled in these things.

in Him

Jeannette

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HIServant wrote:
Thank you for all your feedback. I may have missed my intended point but not by far. I know, as those who post here, what Scriptures say and agree that judgment and all that GOD shares regarding End times with us WILL come to pass.
I agree that we need to be prepared. Were my comments based on NOT wanting to hear of it? Not at all. My comments are to those who feel called to be prophets to be wary of their words and the way they state it. Death and life is in the power of the tongue...thus the spoken and written word as well.

That is so true!

HOwever, I review the sheer overload on multiple sites and venues such as radio and TV and there is little to no hope given. Only the damnation of all and no encouragement of CHRIST's hope in the message to build someone up...to encourage them to preach to the LOST with a greater fervency...which I now feel!

I'm surprised that you have seen and heard so many who preach thus. I would have thought they were in the minority! Most modern preachers seem to teach that a great revival is coming and that the whole world is going to be gained for the Lord, and that this will usher in His return.

Whereas the Bible says that Antichrist will appear first (2Thess 2).

But if you have mostly heard doom and gloom then it makes sense what you are saying.

To me, the best Biblical example of a true prophet who foretold disaster was Jeremiah. Because, when the disaster he warned of was upon them he foretold restoration!

He was stuck in prison for his prophesying of what was then happening, the Babylonian army was almost at the gates, and ~~[i]~~he alone[/i] had a clear word of hope for the future!

I am reminded of the 400 prophets of Baal who spoke to Ahab what he wanted to hear. Only 1 spoke for GOD. Who are the prophets of Baal today?

The difference was that the false prophets prophesied what they thought the king wanted to hear - success, prosperity, everything will be OK!

I see your point, but that is maybe not a good example to illustrate it!

Does not satan array his messengers as messengers of light...yet disguising and end time message so that the result is not spiritual fear of GOD but physical fear of bombs, famine, disease, etc?

Yes, I see what you are saying. I haven't heard much of that sort of false prophecy personally, only the kind that panders to poeple's vanity and tells them they are OK, ("God thinks you are wonderful! He has an amazing plan for your life! He's going to use you powerfully and give you a worldwide ministry!" - that sort of thing) and don't need to repent.

...the BIBLE is truth and if I cant point to a passage of scripture for DEFINITIVE answers...then what I am told by others cannot be more than "their version". Else I run to an fro...listening for what the prophets are saying and NOT to what GOD is speaking to me in a still small voice. That is the reality which is presently drawing many, less mature christians to follow the word of man and not of GOD.

Yes, you are right...

The weaker christians, I am seeing daily, are falling under the weight of so much fear. That is not HIS SPIRIT.

Again, that is a new one on me, the kind of false prophecy that puts people in fear. Mostly I've heard the opposite, "Peace" Peace! when there is no peace".

My tears and my encouragements are for them.

I hear you brother.

Maybe the words the Lord spoke to Isaiah are relevant here (that time He did rescue His people from enemy threats)...

[color=990000]11 For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.
13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary...[/color]

Also Psalm 91.

Yes, evils are coming upon the earth, but we do not need to be afraid because HE is our hiding place in the storm.

in Him

Jeannette

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Yes, of course; but that isn't the whole story. Despising - even denying - the physical in favour of the spiritual is the error of gnosticism.

Gnosticism denies that Jesus even came in the flesh, I do not.

The Kingdom of God will not come by observation because Jesus said it wouldn't

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Very plain to me.

Regarding the River and the Mount of Olives, there is an exciting truth that surrounds this but sufficient to say that it's not literal H20.

How do you know that they are the false teachers, and not those who have influenced you?

The word of God will bear witness of itself. It's not partial but it all agrees together.

It's false teachers that have concocted a Pre, Mid, Post Tribulation Rapture theory. There is not a word of truth in it, yet many swear by it. I too swore by it and spread it's poison. Yes there will be tribulation but there will not be 3 and 1/2 or 7 years of tribulation unless the LORD Himself speaks a word to the Church like He said to the Church at Smyrna that they should receive tribulation ten days.

Brother, it grieves me greatly that you are aligning yourself with those "scoffers" who Peter spoke of (2Peter 3)

It grieves me likewise to see my Brothers and Sisters caught up in a fantasy, when the reality of God's Kingdom is in YOU, Sister.

Do not mock, but seek the Lord. I believe that you have been seriously misled in these things.

I am not mocking, nor scoffing. I am telling you the truth from a different perspective. Do you not think that I too was dumbfounded when I found out that I was deceived? This is a subject that I have little interest in, yet the LORD brings it to my attention. I am a seeker of truth. Does God give to those who are seeking Him in Spirit and Truth a stone? Do you not think for one moment that I have weighed this out and studied this out?

And by the way, I have not denied the coming of the LORD. I have only asked a question, "Why does the LORD need to come back".

What I am talking about is the Words that Jesus spoke, they are Spirit. As He said, "The words that I speak they are Spirit and Life".

Yes, Jesus died on a literal cross, but the literal cross is not the answer for us today. It's a symbol of death. We know what it represents, but the poor Catholics don't. They wear the cross, they have it in their homes, some have massive crosses in the back yard, yet that has nothing to do with what Jesus said when He said, "Take up your cross and follow me". He was speaking things concerning the Kingdom of God. He kept saying, that the Kingdom of God is liken unto this and that and the other.

Whatever happened to, "We walk by faith and not be sight"?

If I am deceived, then please pray for me. I really mean that, I want you to pray that I see the truth. Perhaps I may have missed it, perhaps I am deceived.

I am not interested in being right, "Let God be true and let every man be a liar"

I understand your concerns, and I appreciate it very much.

Sincerely in Christ

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For myself, i will ignore all talk and prophesy of endtimes until I cannot buy or sell without some kind of "mark of the beast." at that time Christians will need to work together collectively, sharing among ourselves the necessities of life, in order to survive. (but this is probably not going to happen in my lifetime) before that time i think those who make endtime predictions are spitting in the wind, or worse.

bub

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Hi Bro Compliments

Just one or two points for now (its late here)

Compliments wrote:
Yes, of course; but that isn't the whole story. Despising - even denying - the physical in favour of the spiritual is the error of gnosticism.
Gnosticism denies that Jesus even came in the flesh, I do not.

I’m sure you don’t, but if you spiritualise Scripture ~~[i]~~at the expense of[/i] the literal and physical, this is the logical conclusion.

On what grounds do you decide which is spiritual and which is literal? ~~[i]~~Why[/i] do you believe that Christ came in the flesh, but doubt if He will physically return?

Don't you think that any given Scripture can contain both spiritual and literal/physical truth? This does seem to be the problem here, as in many other cases of controversy. Someone sees one aspect of Truth and thinks that this is the only aspect. The Word of God has many layers of meaning. If we believe and proclaim one to the exclusion of others we are limiting His Truth.

Of course the Kingdom of God is within us. But His Kingdom is ~~[i]~~~~[b]~~also[/b][/i] coming on earth, because the King is coming back bodily, to destroy the works of the Evil One once and for all!

Why, because the Bible says so!

To deny one of these truths has to be error because it is less than the whole Truth.

Blessings

Jeannette

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bubbaguy wrote:
For myself, i will ignore all talk and prophesy of endtimes until I cannot buy or sell without some kind of "mark of the beast." at that time Christians will need to work together collectively, sharing among ourselves the necessities of life, in order to survive. (but this is probably not going to happen in my lifetime) before that time i think those who make endtime predictions are spitting in the wind, or worse.
bub

So why are you reading this thread? :-P (sorry, couldn't resist that one!)