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hmmhmm Jan 18, 2008

https://www.christianzionism.org/theological-questions

Marching to Zion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_Hu1hcsa4

Did the Holocaust Really Happen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlBA2zp992c

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hmmhmm Jan 18, 2008

have anyone been rebuked by this yet? This is very hard hitting and a very needed message regarding Christian Zionism.

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MaryJane Jan 18, 2008

May I ask who is doing this teaching?

Thanks
MJ

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hmmhmm Jan 18, 2008


MaryJane wrote:
May I ask who is doing this teaching?

Thanks
MJ

Several different people.

sermonindex Jan 18, 2008

I have added it to SI here:

[b]The Sheep and the Goats by David Servant[/b]
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=16428&commentView=itemComments

sermonindex Jan 19, 2008


Thanks for this recommendation. Worthy of the short time it takes to listen, this certainly doesn't pull any punches. Endearing to truth.

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psalm1 Jan 19, 2008

hmmhmm


hmmhmm wrote:
have anyone been rebuked by this yet? This is a very.... hard hitting sermon. And a very needed one in our mammon christianity

Hey bro I'm a little short on mammon. Can you send me yours?
It might cost you some shipping but think of how much better you will feel!

God bless you,

David

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hmmhmm Jan 19, 2008

Why Egypt is a Problem for Christian Zionists

Christian Zionist leader, John Hagee, is on record prophesying that Egypt will become the next Iran, meaning, a new head for the many-headed beast that is Islam, and this despite the fact that those who understand the dynamics of Egyptian history and society (not to mention the way the Egyptian revolution came about) say that this is not going to happen. Which underscores why Egypt is a problem for Christian Zionists.

When Hal Lindsey wrote his Christian Zionist potboiler, The Late, Great Planet Earth, in 1969 he spoke with great assurance about the critical nature of the alliance Egypt would make with the Soviet Union in an aggressive move against Israel as a necessary precursor to the Second Coming of Christ. Then Egypt broke relations with the Soviets followed by the later demise of the Soviet Union itself. By the time Lindsey wrote his next book this scenario was no longer tenable, forcing him to pin his apocalyptic hopes on another political demon. (which has now more or less become Islam).

One wonders what Hagee and Lindsey and others like them are going to do when Egypt and possibly other of the Middle Eastern states Christian Zionists love to villianize in their apocalyptic scenarios, become secular democracies. Or even worse (from an apocalyptic Christian Zionist perspective) what they will do if a new democratic Egyptian government helps bring about a legitimate peace treaty with Israel, one that leads to the dismantlement of illegal settlements and the creation of a viable Palestinian state on land Christian Zionists insist belongs to the world's Jews. In other words, what if unfolding events make the Christian Zionist End Times scenario no longer tenable? Will Hagee and company continue to raise the apocalyptic flag even when there is no wind to keep it flying? Or will they simply close up shop, turning their backs on Israel because she didn't keep her side of the apocalyptic bargain? Given that this is the primary basis upon which Christian Zionists like Hagee build their support for the Israeli state (despite Hagee's assertions to the contrary) such a scenario is not beyond possibility.

Stay tuned.

John Hubers

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hmmhmm Jan 19, 2008


Marching to Zion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_Hu1hcsa4

Did the Holocaust Really Happen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlBA2zp992c

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Tears_of_joy Jan 19, 2008

Brother Christian, you know your heart and motives, but what you said is not far from the truth.

It's time to stop playing games with deathly serious issues which are about life or death.

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hmmhmm Jan 19, 2008

I do not apologise for the truth.

sermonindex Jan 19, 2008

I to have listened to the sermon, it was convicting for me as well! But, what do we do? It is hard not to go into any store and buy something from a third world country. The other sad issue is the greed the powers at be, take jobs from America, just to bring more margin into there pockets and drive the cost on everything down. Then businesses close in rural America because they want to save a dollar!

I just don't know what to do, I hate the fact that this happens and I am helping in this exploitation.

Suggestions?

Mike

sermonindex Jan 19, 2008

Somehow - probably through Oxfam and Christian Aid - it has become politically acceptable for our largest supermarket chains, to promote tea and coffee particularly, under the Fairtrade label.

My small city has a shop on the main square, where clothes, accessories, gifts and jewellery also can be bought - also in association with Tearfund. One needn't be too fashion conscious in one sense. In another, the goods are made with natural resources to an international standard, and the prices are extremely competitive. And, it is nigh impossible to bump into someone else wearing exactly the same.

[url=http://www.fairtrade.net/]http://www.fairtrade.net/[/url]


Other solutions include supporting a child through education. This gets them out of factory life and may bring them closer to hearing about the Lord.

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psalm1 Jan 19, 2008

hmmhmm, I know you love me and a rebuke in love is a rare thing.
Usually I only joke with you and Dorcas and Jeanette.
I prefer joy to heaviness
I tried poor and I didnt like it
I tried sad and didnt like that either.


Do yall realize that when we get to heaven the economy is abundance?
Without lack we would not have the earthly economy......it is based on lack.
I like Gods economy.
"thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"

God bless you bro!

David

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PaulWest Jan 19, 2008

Good morning, David.

Without lack we would not have the earthly economy......it is based on lack.

Can you please clarify?

Paul

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repentcanada Jan 19, 2008

downloading now, thanks. good looking out.

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hmmhmm Jan 19, 2008


The Kairos Palestine Document: A Word of Faith, Hope and Love from the Heart of Palestinian Suffering
A Confession of Faith and Cry of Hope from Palestinian Christians

Longsuffering is a rich biblical word. It speaks of what it means to be faithful in a faithless world. For Palestinian Christians it is something more. It is a definition of their existence. It is also what allows them to maintain a powerful testimony that has an impact well beyond their numbers as their longsuffering-ness holds forth a vision for reconciliation and peace where others have slipped into a cynical resignation to conflict.

This past week an historical meeting of Palestianian Christian leaders produced a document that echoes the faith commitments of courageous documents like the Barmen Declaration of the confessing German Church during WW II, or the anti-apartheid Belhar Confession. The Palestinian Christian document is called "The Kairos Palestine Document," the Greek word, kairos, speaking of a "ripe" moment in time. The document in its entirety, along with signatories, can be downloaded from the World Council of Churches site.

Here is how it begins:

Introduction

We, a group of Christian Palestinians, after prayer, reflection and an exchange of opinion, cry out from within the suffering in our country, under the Israeli occupation, with a cry of hope in the absence of all hope, a cry full of prayer and faith in a God ever vigilant, in God’s divine providence for all the inhabitants of this land. Inspired by the mystery of God's love for all, the mystery of God’s divine presence in the history of all peoples and, in a particular way, in the history of our country, we proclaim our word based on our Christian faith and our sense of Palestinian belonging ”“ a word of faith, hope and love.

Why now? Because today we have reached a dead end in the tragedy of the Palestinian people. The decision-makers content themselves with managing the crisis rather than committing themselves to the serious task of finding a way to resolve it. The hearts of the faithful are filled with pain and with questioning: What is the international community doing? What are the political leaders in Palestine, in Israel and in the Arab world doing? What is the Church doing? The problem is not just a political one. It is a policy in which human beings are destroyed, and this must be of concern to the Church.

We address ourselves to our brothers and sisters, members of our Churches in this land. We call out as Christians and as Palestinians to our religious and political leaders, to our Palestinian society and to the Israeli society, to the international community, and to our Christian brothers and sisters in the Churches around the world.


http://www.oikoumene.org/en/resources/documents/other-ecumenical-bodies/kairos-palestine-document

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psalm1 Jan 20, 2008

hmmhmm,The joy of the Lord is my strength...amen?
We were dirt poor when I was growing up. I remember my mother and I hiding in the house from the bill collectors.
Everything I remember about being poor stinks.
I am not rich now nor do I care to be.
I work hard with my hands.
I do trees, fences, and auto repair for a living and the only retirement i have is social security.
Poor is not virtuous. It is nothing to desire.
The bible says having food, reignment, and a roof over your head.....therin be content.
Do we agree?
Laughter is good medicine.
Did you know that it takes about a third less muscles in your face to smile as it does to frown?
Also when a person laughs they release good chemicals into their bodies and are healthier.
God loves a cheerful giver [but he will take money from a grouch] LOL!


I find this conversation strange in that I imagine you as a joyful person.

are you?

Do you realize when I say God bless you that I really do expect Him to bless your health, finances, family, job, neighborhood, etc.?
It is not a cliche to me.....it is my prayer over you and I am super- serious.
I really do want your well being!!!!

God bless you bro!

David

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psalm1 Jan 20, 2008

Hi paul, I just finished reading your comments from july of 2006 on smith wigglesworth.
Thanks it brought back memories of studying him.


Concerning the economy ...it does operate based on lack.
lack establishes value ex; gold is scarce therefore valuble.
milk is abundant.....therefore cheap

Make sense?

btw, that wigglesworth thread of 2006 seemed like happier times on sermon index.
there seemed to be more of a "flow"


Bleess you bro!

David

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PaulWest Jan 20, 2008

Hi David,

That Wigglesworth thread was one of the very first things I did on SermonIndex. It was a fun one! Glad you enjoyed it. Brings back memories...

Grace and peace to you!

Brother Paul

p.s. Oops. I almost forgot the thank you for clarifying that bit about the economy. I understand where you're coming from now. Thanks!

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