"The Emergent Church": Mark Driscoll tells all!

The Emergent Church is the real Churches fault. All the compromise in all areas of lifestyle and theology has birthed this garbage.

I went to mars hill and watched a clip of Driscoll and the spirit in me was deeply grieved. This is not true Christianity. In the church people can text message him DURING the service and ask him questions. And they are sort of vetted by a staff and displayed on the screen. The "first" question they asked him was:

"The t-shirts you wear don't they mock Jesus instead of glorifying Him?"

He answers and mockingly shows his shirt: God save me from your followers.

The Emergent Church is the real Churches fault. All the compromise in all areas of lifestyle and theology has birthed this garbage.

Wow, comparing Mark Driscoll to Charles Spurgeon? Seriously? You truly don't know much about Mark Driscoll!

I can see why on the surface some of the bumper sticker theology of Driscoll (God Save Me From Your People) might resonate with some on this forum. Over time I have noticed that there are many here who have either been hurt by the "church" or are disgusted with the "church". What many of you don't realize is that is the "hook" that the Emergent church is using to reel people in.

But make no doubt about it, the Emergent church movement is nothing but pure heresy. It is postmodernism to the very core.

John MacArthur has had a lot to say about Mark Driscoll and some of the other Emergent gurus, I would recommend you begin there when wanted to discover the absolute heresy of these guys. Also on Todd Friel's show Wretched on the NRB Network (DirecTV at 11:30pm) he discusses Driscoll and other Emergent heretics frequently.

One book in particular that MacArthur wrote on the subject is "The Truth War".

By the way... you quoted the newspaper from the 1880's as saying:

"His style is that of the vulgar colloquial varied by rant... All the most solemn mysteries of our holy religion are by him rudely, roughly, and impiously handled. Mystery is vulgarised, sanctity profaned, common sense outraged; and decency disgusted... His rantings are interspersed with coarse anecdotes that split the ears of the groundlings; and this is popularity!"

You need to understand that just like today Charles Spurgeon was lied about in the media. Also, when the newspaper spoke of "mystery is vulgarized, sanctity profaned, common sense outraged; and decency disgusted" it was referring to the fact the Mr. Spurgeon spoke in a way that brought the message to the lowest of the low in England. He spoke in a way that brought the gospel message to the common man. Not in vulgar terms as we understand it today... but in a way that the most uneducated man of his time could understand. He did not speak in a high Shakespearean manner, as was the custom of the day for popular preachers in England in the 1880's.

THAT is what was meant by "vulgarized" and "profaned".

Charles Spurgeon NEVER spoke with profanities, never used "vulgar" language as we understand "vulgarity" today. He never uttered blasphemies such as we hear from many of the Emergent Church leaders today.

I have a 15 volume set of Charles Spurgeon's sermons on my bookshelf behind me where I am sitting right now. I will box them up and mail them to you tomorrow... feel free to read every page and I challenge you to find even ONE profanity or vulgarity on any page.

On the flip side, all you have to do is go to YouTube, or read MacArthur's book on the topic of Emergent Churches and the profanity, vulgarity, heresy and blasphemies of the Emergent Church leaders is right there on display.

You need to be very careful when you start talking about the character of someone, even dead people. It falls under "bearing false witness"... gossip.

So you're saying Driscoll renounced what he formerly taught?

If there is proof of that then I was mistaken about him. However, the Emergent Church itself has not changed, but has only become more "postmodern", and on that I stand on what I said about the Emergent Church. If Driscoll has renounced what the Emergent Church teaches and has separated from it then I say Praise the Lord.

Zeal can be stupid? Thats interesting considering that it was prophecied that Jesus would have zeal for God's house. (Psalm 69:9 & John 2:17) Paul also commanded Timothy (and the readers...that would be us) to contend earnestly for the faith (zeal). (Jude 3)

By the way, is it common practice on this "christian" forum to insinuate that other contributors are "stupid"? I know I am new here, but it was my hope that this forum would be slightly different than some of the other worldly "christian" forums on the internet. On most days Sermon Index seems to be different, but some days it seems there is an undercurrent of self righteousness and rudeness... neither one of which fall under the category of "fruits of the Spirit". Well, they fall under the "fruits of A spirit", but not the Holy Spirit.

If a man is habitually teaching something PUBLICLY, then he should not be surprised if he is corrected PUBLICLY.

If a man wants to put all of his teachings on Youtube, then he should not be surprised if someone posts a rebuttal on Youtube.

Here is a public letter to be read in all the churches, by Paul.

1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Another one:

2Ti 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Now, I don't know anything about this Mark Driscoll. But generally speaking, those that have discernment about doctrine being preached (elders, mature saints) usually warned the church in the NT.

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

HomeSkoolDad,

I take what people say on SI as coming from them and not representative of SI.

Hi HSD,

I think you're misinterpreting jimp's point. You got the first bit, about the person by the fire having renounced that he never knew Christ, but not the comment about zeal.

jimp did not say that zeal per se is stupid, but that sometimes in our zeal we are less ready than we should be, to accept that a person has repented, and moved on.

"Now, I don't know anything about this Mark Driscoll. But generally speaking, those that have discernment about doctrine being preached (elders, mature saints) usually warned the church in the NT.

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

HomeSkoolDad,

"I take what people say on SI as coming from them and not representative of SI."
....Right on! Pilgrim777
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Of course deceivers have something good to say, and an element of the truth. Consider Satan's words in the temptation of Jesus, as he ever so subtly twisted scripture.

I have listened to, and perused Driscoll's teaching. My take on him is that this is the fruit of Extreme grace,[primarily, once saved, always saved, and God loves everybody no matter what...] which changed his ideas from scripture, and holy prudence, to a somewhat profane permissiveness.

Without a blush, he speaks of very, very private sexual issues,[ peppered with occasional cussing..] while hammering the limits of holiness through this idea of living full bore,extreme, and radically for yourself. Kind of a twist on Olsteen's "be all you can be" to "experience all that your soul you can do" doctrine, meshed with a no condemnation approach because we are all saved anyhow.[where is the fire of Hell part?]

Because the Word in its purity is denied, so is conviction of sin...[ what conviction of who?],along with any continuing repentance from dead works...[ which we all need continually..].which in turn creates a permissive culture, rather than a biblical and holy church.

The result is comfort, comfort for those who desire to live free...but the freedom is veiled. It is freedom from the cross of Christ Jesus, and abiding in his Holy Spirit; the only means that a man or a woman has to attain Heaven.

Mark 8. Jesus speaks.
34. [Jesus] “Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.

35. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it."
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This man has subtly adapted a gospel opposite of the spirit of these words. I fear many will lose their lives by believing it.

One book in particular that MacArthur wrote on the subject is "The Truth War".

Amen
The last days are the times of apostasy from truth - 'truth wars' indeed. Christians have not and will not be killed for being a nice bunch of people, but because of standing for truth.

If a man is habitually teaching something PUBLICLY, then he should not be surprised if he is corrected PUBLICLY.

This is very true Pilgrim. Paul rebuked Peter "before all", as well.

Brothertom, your post was very accurate.

Some of us may remember also the New Year's bash that Mark put on at his church.

Protecting 'lambs' was and still is the calling of the so-called 'mature sheep'.
I see very little of that anymore. Just apostacy from truth.
First we were snarled at for saying the word "doctrine" and now it's become the same way for that precious word that Jesus and His Apostles spoke of the most - 'Truth'.

I for one do not yell. I speak with tears, even when my posts are long and contain questions, but if we defend the need for truth at all in these days, we'll be labeled and judged as the enemy of "love", peace, unity or 'good fellowship'. There will always be one to come with sometimes just a one-liner to undo any call for our need for truth. They have the 'gift' of undoing any call for sound doctrine or truth. After a while, you almost get to know which threads they'll be drawn to, to tear down. Call them 'truth stoppers' but The Word of GOD has other names for them.

A man's 'behavior and words' expose whether he is "walking in the truth" or not.
So it goes for Mark Discoll, and so it goes for 'truth stoppers'. (They stop they're ears, as the Word says and want to plug-up the lambs ears as well.) Grievious!

There is absolutely no doubt that we are in the days when "truth is thrown in the streets".

Speaking of Spurgeon: If you have or can find "Morning and Evening" on the web - Read 'this' Mornings- 11/28. Bless GOD! That brings back the smile. Thanks.