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Holiness Imputed? "In Christ" Phraseology

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Forevidence Jan 19, 2008

DANIEL STEELE, S.T.D.
CHAPTER VIII
HOLINESS IMPUTED

THERE is much confused and erroneous thinking and teaching on the subject of imputed righteousness and imputed holiness. Some are confounding the two, and teaching that the only holiness possible to us in this world is the robe of Christ's righteousness thrown around hearts inherently impure. In the interest of clear thought and Christian purity, we invite the reader to a discussion of the radical distinction between imputed righteousness and imputed holiness. The term "impute," literally signifies "to think to," to reckon one thing belongs to another when it really does not. In the Revision it is superseded by the word "reckon."

We define righteousness in man to be conformity to the Divine law, and holiness conformity to the Divine nature.

Jesus Christ is both righteous and holy. These qualities are personal, inherent, and untransferable. But in addition to His personal righteousness He has a mediatorial righteousness, the merit of His passive obedience, labors, sacrifices, sufferings, death, and high-priestly intercessions. Now, although the phrase, "the imputation of Christ's righteousness," or "Christ's imputed righteousness," is not found in the Bible, the doctrine itself is found in the epistles of Paul unfolded extendedly, and it is hinted at in the Gospels when Jesus speaks of giving His life for the world, or as a ransom for many. But it is always His mediatorial, and not His personal righteousness. The absolute necessity of this imputation in the scheme of redemption, arises from the fact that one past sin produces an eternal disconformity to the Divine law, so that the Lawgiver cannot treat us as if we had never sinned without violating the truth of history, and cheating the law of its demands. Hence pardon and salvation would be impossible under the reign of strict and unbending law. But here comes in the mediatoriaI righteousness of Christ to all who plead it as the ground of justification, so that God can be just and the justifier of him who believeth. In other words, there is a constructive, not to say fictitious, conformity, to the law, now possible through faith in the merits of Christ. Otherwise, law would be forever against us. The necessity of this scheme of imputation lies in the fact that God Himself cannot change the past. It is a record absolutely inerasible.

But when God wishes to make men holy, or bring them into conformity to His own nature, there is no such inerasible record in the way. Justification is a work done for us, and has reference to the past; sanctification is a work wrought in us, and always has respect to the present. Hence, imputation of holiness is not necessary. In fact, in the very nature of things, it is impossible. There can be no such thing as vicarious character, for character is the sum total of what we ourselves are. There may be a vicarious assumption of another's debt; there cannot be a vicarious assumption of another's character. Hence, holiness must be personal, inherent, inwrought and imparted by the power of the Holy Spirit, procured by the same atonement by which it is possible for us, through faith, to be conformed to the Divine law, or savingly adjusted to an inerasible, sinful record.

IN CHRIST
The phrase "in Christ" is perpetually quoted as a proof-text to sustain the doctrine of imputed holiness, a quality not imparted to us, being inwrought by the Holy Spirit and ever afterwards existing inherently in the believer; but an attribute of Jesus Christ regarded by God as belonging to Christians, even when they are unholy in character and wicked in conduct.

The theory is that Jesus Christ is standing today in the presence of the Father as a specimen and representative of glorified humanity, and that faith in Him so intimately unites us with Him, that all His personal excellencies become ours in such a sense as to excuse us if we lack them. It is said that the first act of faith eternally incorporates us into the glorified person of Christ, so that whatever sin we may commit afterwards we incur no condemnation.

Says Fletcher: "People, it seems, may now be 'in Christ,' without being 'new creatures, and 'new creatures' without casting 'old things' away. They may be God's children without God's image; and 'born of the Spirit' without 'the fruit of the Spirit.'"

The favorite proof-text of this piece of rank antinomianism is Rom. viii. 1: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus," with special attention called to the omission by the critical MSS. and the Revised Version, of the limiting clause: "who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit." Over this omission the imputationists rejoice, as if it unanswerably demonstrated the truth of their doctrine, that God, seeing the believer only in Christ, beholds no sin in him, even when he has wilfully and flagrantly transgressed the known law. They fail to note that the same limiting clause stands in the fourth verse unquestioned by the critics.

Hence their assertion that the flesh is a sinful state which does not in the least damage our perfect standing in Christ, in whom the carnally-minded believer is as holy as the Son of God Himself. It is said that "the standing is never to be judged by the state, but the state by the standing." The New Testament Scriptures relied on as proofs of this doctrine are those in which our faith is imputed for righteousness. The error is in failing to notice that this refers to the forgiveness of sins, and not to the character after justification.

Another mistake is in not distinguishing between the sum total of Christ's merits, called His mediatorial righteousness, and His own personal righteousness, which is not transferable. Character is personal and unimputable.

Another constantly recurring Scripture is the expression, "in Christ"-- used to prove an actual incorporation into His Person. We take up our pen to examine these words. They are not found in the four Gospels nor in the Acts of the Apostles. They are Pauline, being used by Paul, except in I Pet. iii. 16; v. 14. The words, "in the Lord," are peculiar to Paul also. Elsewhere they are found only in Rev. xiv. 13. What does Paul mean by these phrases?

1. He does not mean incorporation into the glorified Person of Christ, for he always (except in I Cor. xv. 18 --"asleep in Jesus") avoids His purely personal name, Jesus, never saying "in Jesus," but he always adds one of His titular names, Christ, or Lord. "In Christ, "or "in the Lord" must mean, then, some intimate relation to His official work.

2. What this relation is will be seen when we observe that while Luke and Peter use the term "Christian," Paul never used it, but uses the more vivid phrase, "in Christ." Let us now examine a favorite text of the imputationists --1 Cor. i. 2: "To them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus." We heartily endorse the comment of Meyer, "the greatest exegete of the nineteenth century": "In Christ -- namely, in His redemptive work, of which Christians have become, and continue to be, partakers, by means of justifying faith (Eph. i. 4; Heb. x. 10)." In the fourth verse, Meyer's note on "in Christ," is "in your fellowship with Christ." His paraphase of the thirtieth verse, "But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption," is the following: "But truly it is God's work that ye are Christians, and so partakers of the greatest Divine blessings, that none of you should in any way boast himself save only in God." Rom. xvi. 7; "In Christ before me" -- Christians before me. Rom. xvi. 10; "Approved in Christ" -- i.e., says Meyer, "the tried Christian." 2 Cor. v. 17; "If any man is in Christ" a Christian, says the same annotator.

Cremer, in his Biblico-Theological Lexicon, enumerates forty-eight texts where this phrase is used with the above meaning, such as "weak in Christ" and "babes in Christ," for feeble Christians; "growing up in Christ," for an advancing Christian; "perfect in Christ" for a believer fully sanctified, or, in the words of Meyer, "perfect as a Christian, in respect to the whole Christian nature." "Holy in Christ" is a phrase foreign to New Testament diction. The general meaning of the words, "in the Lord," is discipleship to the Lord Jesus, as in Rom. xvi. 2: "which are in the Lord"; 1 Cor. vii. 39; To be married in the Lord"; i.e., to a disciple of the Lord Jesus.

The expressions "in Christ" and "in the Lord" are the Pauline way of denoting a saving relation to the Son of God, a union with Him by faith, a union which ceases when the faith decays. It is quite probable that St. Paul's use of this peculiar idiom is an amplification of the words of Christ, "If ye abide in Me," in His parable of the true vine, John xv. 1-7. That He does not here speak of an inseparable and eternal incorporation into His person, is evident from these words: "Every branch in Me that beareth not fruit, He taketh away." That this taking away is no mere temporary break in the saving relation to Christ, but an eternal cutting off, will be seen by reading the sixth verse: "If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch and is withered, and men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." This solemn and expressive language is utterly meaningless, if the phrase "in Me," or "in Christ," means an inalienable standing in Christ wholly independent of one's real character. Those modern champions of imputed holiness, and opponents of inwrought personal purity, the Plymouth brethren, find their air-castle rudely swept away when these words of Jesus are directed against it. A branch in the true vine may die and be sundered and burned.

This is a complete answer to the words of Rev. John Darby to the writer, that "believers are parts of the glorified Person of Jesus Christ, who does not walk about in Heaven dropping His fingers and toes by self-mutilation, but retains every part and particle of His body for ever." The revised version, in Eph. v. 30, omits "of His flesh and of His bones," and thus re moves a seeming proof-text for the incorporatio n theory.

3. This paper would not be complete if we did not refer to the objective use, by St. Paul, of the phrase "in Christ," as representing, not a peculiar union of the believing subject, but the blessings of redemption included in Jesus. In this Apostle's writings, the idiom, "in Christ," has a Godward, or objective meaning, when he describes the provisions for salvation embodied in the Person and work of the Son, and a manward, or subjective meaning, when he speaks of the believer as appropriating those provisions. As a specimen of the objective use, we quote Rom. vi. 23: "But the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (R. V.). See also Rom. viii. 2, 39; 1 Cor. i. 4 (R. V.); 2 Cor. v. 19; Gal. ii. 4, iii. 14 (R. V.); Eph. i. 3, ii. 6. 7 (R. V.), iii. 11, iv. 32 (R. V.); Phil. ii. 5; 2 Tim ii. 10. In all these passages Jesus Christ is presented as God's treasury of grace and salvation. In examining these texts the reader will be impressed with the superior precision of the revisors in their translation of the preposition "en," in. There are instances in which this Pauline idiom embraces both the subjective and the objective, notably Rom. vi. 11, "Alive unto God in Christ Jesus" (R. V.). Here the believer appropriates the life that exists in Jesus.

Writers in classical Greek exemplify only the objective use of "en." Thus Sophocles: "I in deed am saved wholly in thee"; Hesiod: "Whether Athens shall be enslaved or freed is now in thee"; says Homer: "Complete victory in the immortal gods."

But St. Paul's use of "in," as expressing the activity of the subject appropriating Christ, from the very nature of the case, has no verbal parallels in profane Greek.

In conclusion, we aver that it is just as reasonable to interpret 1 John v. 19, "The whole world lieth in the evil one" (R. V.), as meaning that the whole world is in itself inherently saintly, but by imputation is wicked in the evil one, as it is to say that the best estate of believers on earth is to be inherently impure, while by imputation they are spotless in Christ. According to the testimony of that cosmopolitan evangelist, Wm. Taylor, imputed holiness, enrobing cherished vileness, is a favorite fiction of the pagans of India. A fakir in his presence professing spotless holiness, was rebuked by the crowd as a liar, a cheat, and an adulterer. Admitting the truth of these charges, the fakir triumphantly exclaimed: "I am vile in myself, but perfectly holy in Vishnu."

To be holy with a retention of the old man, would be an untruth and a flat contradiction (Meyer on Eph. iv. 21.)

sermonindex Jan 19, 2008

Hi Forevidence,

I have thoughts.... but first.... at the end where the writer quotes Meyer

To be holy with a retention of the old man, would be an untruth and a flat contradiction
it is not clear whether Daniel Steele believes our old man was crucified with Christ.

Can you clarify this from any other part of his thesis?

C
ChrisJD Jan 19, 2008

Hi everyone.


I don't want to interrupt Dorcas's question, but also I did not notice any mention of Exodus 28:36-38. Maybe this is addressed elsewhere or is in the article and I missed it?


I'm not at all qualified to speak about these things but this is a passage that comes to mind when I read about this subject.


Thanks,


Chris

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Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

We have no holiness of our own, but are partakers of HIS Divine nature through his precious promises. 2 Peter 1.

It's Christ's Righteousness as well as His Holiness.


it is not clear whether Daniel Steele believes our old man was crucified with Christ.

Dorcas EXCELLENT QUESTION. AMEN!!


Anyone who believes their old man can become righteous or holy has totally missed the point of what salvation is....The Great Exchange!!

Romans 6-8 perfectly explain!

Put on Christ....The Spirit of teh Life of Christ has set you free from the law of sin and death.

We now, toally surrendered our new nature to God, and the life we now live is the fruit of teh Holiness of God.

Jesus Righteousness is Imputed...justification is a momentary act by God.

Holiness is imputed to the New Man (not the old) to live out that life of His Righteousness.

You have been sanctified through the body of Christ ONCE and for all.

Love in Christ
Katy


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I don't want to interrupt Dorcas's question, but also I did not notice any mention of Exodus 28:36-38. Maybe this is addressed elsewhere or is in the article and I missed it?

This is who WE are in the NT.


1st Peter 2


2As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

3If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

4To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an [u][b]holy[/b][/u] priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an [u][b]holy[/b][/u] nation, a peculiar people; [u][b]holy[/b][/u][u]that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;[/u]

10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

11Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

12Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

13Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

18Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

19For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

20For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Love in Christ
Katy

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ChrisJD Jan 19, 2008

Hi Katy-Did,


Did you have something to share in regards to the passage from Exodus and the article or the author's view of it?


Thank you,


Chris

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Forevidence Jan 19, 2008


Katy-did wrote:

Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

We have no holiness of our own, but are partakers of HIS Divine nature through his precious promises. 2 Peter 1.

It's Christ's Righteousness as well as His Holiness.


it is not clear whether Daniel Steele believes our old man was crucified with Christ.

Dorcas EXCELLENT QUESTION. AMEN!!


Anyone who believes their old man can become righteous or holy has totally missed the point of what salvation is....The Great Exchange!!

Romans 6-8 perfectly explain!

Put on Christ....The Spirit of teh Life of Christ has set you free from the law of sin and death.

We now, toally surrendered our new nature to God, and the life we now live is the fruit of teh Holiness of God.

Jesus Righteousness is Imputed...justification is a momentary act by God.

Holiness is imputed to the New Man (not the old) to live out that life of His Righteousness.

You have been sanctified through the body of Christ ONCE and for all.

Love in Christ
Katy


That is the common view of many today. But as Steele points out. [b]Holiness is not imputable[/b]That is a myth and a fantasy of many antinomians. Character and holiness is shaped and formed as we partake of His Divine Nature which is the Holy Spirit, which we are sanctified by, but we are to be Holy as He is Holy. Character and holiness are not transfered to us, at least that is what I believe the scriptures state.

sermonindex Jan 19, 2008

Hi brother Forevidence. You've posted an interesting discussion. I'm not sure what you meant by 'That is the common view of many today'.

Also, I think you're misunderstanding what 'holiness' is. Surely we could not even begin to partake of the Divine nature, if we had not separated ourselves from sin, and been cleansed by the blood of the Lamb?

The big mistake in this discussion (it seems to me), is to attempt to separate between the man and Christ, thereby to imply that the man can - little by little - claim a likeness to Christ (of any kind - character etc), [i]separate from Him[/i].

Character and holiness are not transfered to us
But, if 'I' am dead, and [u]He[/u] is in me, then the [i]only[/i] character and holiness I can claim, [i]are [b]His[/i][/b] and always will remain so, even though my appearance, thinking, behaviour and lifestyle come completely under His sway, and show to the world by their changedness, Who it is that I worship.

sermonindex Jan 19, 2008

That is the common view of many today. But as Steele points out. Holiness is not imputableThat is a myth and a fantasy of many antinomians. Character and holiness is shaped and formed as we partake of His Divine Nature which is the Holy Spirit, which we are sanctified by, but we are to be Holy as He is Holy. Character and holiness are not transfered to us, at least that is what I believe the scriptures state.


I am crucified with Christ, no longer I but Christ in me, and the life that I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of Christ.

I believe Christ in us is our very life..It's His Life that we allow to live through us.

We MATURE as believers, but maturity does not mean I become MORE and MORE HOLY as I mature, but actually, the Holiness of God is manifest more and more as I mature.

The Mystery of Godliness is great. The Mystery is Christ in you...

We are changed from Glory to Glory even by the Spirit of the Lord. We live from faith to faith!

The Just shall live by faith.

Our sanctification is as much by faith as our righteousness.

Love in Christ
Katy

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Swordbearer Jan 19, 2008

Hello Brother;
Would you consider the term "Imparted Righteousness" to be synonomous with Imputed holiness? I am familiar with the doctrines of Imputed and Imparted Righteousness, and I see some corrolations to what you are saying, possibly with some differences. I am only trying to clarify my understanding of your position, not start debate :-)

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Did you have something to share in regards to the passage from Exodus and the article or the author's view of it?

Hi Chris,

Sorry, I assumed you would see the NT correlation to your scripture in Exodus.

Holiness, consecration etc, are just that...being set apart. We are set apart, and are called a Royal Priesthood, Holy and acceptable.

The Body of Christ is a Holy habitation, Christ the chief cornerstone, as we, his Body are built up together with Him.

Holiness ...meaning we are no longer part of this world system.

Just as the Levitical Priesthood had no land promised, but were spread throughout the land, and a special calling...so are we.

We are strangers and pilgrims in this world.

This is exactly what Peter was saying with the scripture I posted.

Love in Christ
Katy

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ChrisJD Jan 19, 2008

Thank you Katy, but that isn't what I had asked?

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roaringlamb Jan 19, 2008

I don't know why the righteousness of Christ being imputed to those "in Him" would be questioned except for those who may not fully understand the implications of the Law.

There must be a perfect righteousness for ALL those who will be in Heaven. No human being, or child of Adam can do this as one sin, ruins forever the state required for entrance into Heaven.

So for a man, any man to ever think that he may be accepted by God for his supposed righteousness is perhaps one of Satan's greatest deceptions. For by this trickery alone many are forced to "work harder" or "look further within" to find that so called holiness that God will somehow accept and open wide the gates of Heaven.

There is one and only one way into Heaven- Christ.

His perfect keeping of the Law(all of it), and His sacrificial death in the place of sinners is the only way. A man is justified as he is given faith to believe this.

The crucifixion is something that happened outside of our existence and is true whether we believe it or not. It is an objective action by which Christ suffered the wrath of God to bear the sins of those whom God foreknew and elected. It has nothing to do with our feelings about the crucifixion, or our holiness, or even our progress in the Christian life, because none of these save us, Christ saves us alone.

To mix man's works into the equation is to create "a Jesus", but it is not "the Jesus" of Scripture who dies for the sheep.

This idea of Jesus plus something else, is nothing new, the Galatian Church was facing the same dilemma as false teachers came in and were teaching that a man must believe in Christ, and be circumcised to be a Christian. The harshest language Paul uses is towards these men who were saying that the work of Christ alone was not enough to save people.

The law, and a law made up by men will never save a person. It will however further lead them into damnation, and self delusion as Satan will get them to think they are doing so well in the Christian life, and they will trample Christ under foot, and count His blood as nothing because they have their own works that they are supposing to hold up to God as a means of righteousness.

Now of course some will say, "Faith alone cannot be enough! Good works must come as well, we ought to be different people."

Very well then, how many good works is enough? who judges these works as "good"?

How different is different enough?

Do you see the endless quest it is? One man over here says, "this do and you shall live", and another over here says , "no do this and live."

But the Gospel says , "believe and receive!"

The Gospel is "good news" to be believed or rejected. It is not steps to a better life, or a better marriage, or a holier sinner. It is the FACT that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and rose again for our justification.

No man can believe this apart from the Holy Spirit convicting him of his sin and need of a Savior, and what the Holy Spirit starts He finishes.

A man that has faith in Christ is as holy the day he believed as he will be the day he dies because his holiness, justification, wisdom, and redemption are in Christ(1 Corinthians 1:30).

I am sure there will much debate about this, but I fear that many have left the simplicity of Christ, and faith alone.

C
ccchhhrrriiisss Jan 20, 2008

Hi Forevidence...

Thank you for this interesting article. I think that I understand what the author is trying to say, and I must admit that I agree.

A few years ago, I watched a preacher speak about how "God sees his blood covering us rather than our sin" in regard to believers. I've often thought that this is a very silly notion. God doesn't see HIS blood. His eyes look deep within us to see the condition of our hearts. God sees those inner things (including choices, additions, lusts, etc...) that are often hidden under what we falsely consider "God's imputed holiness."

I've heard some believers who partake of questionable lifestyle choices explain that they have "freedom" to indulge themselves, because "it would be impossible to live up to God's standard of holiness." They claimed to rely solely upon the "holiness that God has imputed to us."

The Word of God is expressly clear about choices of conduct and lifestyle -- even in the New Testament. While it is true that it is impossible to live a completely and utterly flawless life after coming to Christ, the grace and mercy of God continues to allow us the opportunity to draw us closer to His image. It almost seems like an insult to the grace of God to claim such nonbinding "imputed holiness" if we choose to continuously indulge in the temptations of this world (the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life).

I suppose that the author is stating that "holiness" is not a costume that is immediately thrust upon us once we come to Christ. Rather, it is a garment of righteousness in which we must not soil with sin. Remember, the Word of God judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. It is irrelevant to claim a "blank check" of selfish grace simply because we met the Lord. The Lord still desires to know us, fellowship with us, and for us to show forth fruit unto repentance.

:-)

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am sure there will much debate about this, but I fear that many have left the simplicity of Christ, and faith alone.


Roaringlamb,

AMEN!!!!

We are complete in Him...


SDA's believe in *imparted* righteousness, and I believe this teaching gone astray on Holiness is much the same.

Holy unto God...separation!


Love in Christ
Katy

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Hi Chris,

I just want to comment on this that you said, because I posted a hymn recently with an interesting line, which I know from a previous thread, is scripturally accurate.

Rather, it is a garment of righteousness in which we must not soil with sin.
In answer to what we do [i][b]if[/i][/b] we spot the garment with sin?

Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, [b]and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.[/b]

As I understand it, that word 'washed' actually does mean 'laundered'.

This is completely different from holiness.


I don't think I have time to hang in this thread, so I'd like to leave one other thought for the general mix, which is that Jesus said some interesting things in John 17, particularly about sanctifying Himself with truth for the sake of the disciples, and prayed the Father would sanctify them through His truth: 'thy word is truth', v 17.

We've had discussion here before, about instant sanctification (being set apart once and for all), and that the process of looking at Jesus and being changed into His image (2 Cor 3) is better termed 'glorification' - that is, being changed from glory to glory. This also resonates with the prayer of Jesus in John 17.

Frankly, if I can't believe I'm holy because of the work Christ did for me on the cross, then how can He reveal the Father to me, or beckon me into the Father's presence, seeing I am still apparently unclean, according to this thesis?

I know it requires robust faith to believe God accepts us, but if He does, it is because He sees us completed in Christ... (ooops... there's that tricky phrase again.... ) no pun intended.


May this conversation bear much fruit which will remain unto God's pleasure.


C
ccchhhrrriiisss Jan 20, 2008

Hi dorcas...

I understand what you're saying and I generally agree. However, that isn't the same as "imputed righteousness and holiness." The word "imputed" signifies that a righteousness and holiness is ingrafted into the believer. The Scriptures you provided (and those which were referred to within this message) seemingly indicate that individuals are MADE righteous and holy (like a newborn child) because of a person is made new.

This is the "tabula rasa" (or "clean slate") referred to in early protestant writing which we are given a "clean slate" (both at birth [contrary to the notion of "divine rights"] and at our second birth). In other words, when we come to Christ, we are made new, righteous and holy. The grace of God allows us to remain in a state of constant sanctification, in which we sanctify ourselves (by coming back to Christ daily) as sin or uncleanliness becomes evident.

I certainly agree that we are made clean by the giving of ourselves to the Lord. How can we come to the Lord (or be "beckoned" to come) if we are not completely holy? Remember that we were still in sin when we were drawn to the Lord. The rebirth didn't take place until after we were drawn to Him.

:-)

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Hi Chris,

There is also the matter of whether one believes in [i]imparted[/i] righteousness. But... moving back to 'imputed', I looked up a dictionary to check your impression of ingrafting, and I don't find it. From dictionary.com, under 'impute'

[i]4. [u]Theology[/u]: to attribute (righteousness, guilt, etc.) to a person or persons vicariously; ascribe as derived from another [/i]


To answer the word 'ingrafted', Romans 6 majors on that picture: that we are grafted into His death and likewise grafted into His resurrection.

His very life becomes ours. The author of the article separates His [u]life[/u] from everything else about Him; as far as I can tell, merely to support his argument, and not because it makes sense of the commonest variety, in light of many other verses.

This really is the difference between the legal aspect of salvation, and the experiential aspect. I return to the simple truth that if Christ's work in me makes it possible for Himself to dwell in me, then there is no intellectual or theological difficulty in my claim to be 'in Christ' - John 17 and first part of verse 21: 'That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [i]art[/i] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:'

Logically, the Father is in me, and I am in the Father, also. Amen.

C
ccchhhrrriiisss Jan 20, 2008

Hi dorcas...

I didn't mean that the word "impute" itself only signifies that something is "ingrafted." There are many different definitions for the word. However, in the context of the original post, it seems that some suggest that holiness and righteousness is an almost permanent condition that is ingrafted within a person who becomes a believer. If such holiness and righteousness becomes the very nature of a believer, then why did Paul, Peter, James, etc... waste our time with the pointed remarks about living holy and sanctified lives? Why would they preach about avoiding temptations, lusts, etc... if our very nature has become replaced with God's holiness and righteousness?

That was the point that I was trying to make. Yes, the life of Christ in a sense becomes our own. However, there is still a choice that every believer must make. We do not lose "free will" after coming to Christ. Rather, we continue to freely choose to continue this walk. We choose to live a holy life. We must continually choose to know, fellowship and serve Him (and His desires for our lives).

Even after coming to the Lord, evil is still at work. We must still decide to avoid temptation. The possibility remains that a person who is following the Lord could still "run ahead" and depart from the teachings of Christ. The end of such a person is not good.

:-(

sermonindex Jan 21, 2008


Hi Chris,

Of course you are right about our need to keep choosing right in line with righteousness - or holiness is going to be the first casualty.

I suppose my reading of the exercpt made me resist the level of unbelief it required to accept the writer's thesis... no 'glory to glory' in that line of reasoning!

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