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Has Economic Judgment begun - Southern California Shanty Town / Tent City!!!! MUST SEE!!!

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Christisking Jan 25, 2008

Greetings in the name of Jesus,

It seems as though economic judgment has begun. For the past month or so we have been ministering in a shanty town/tent city that has popped up in a near by suburb outside of Los Angeles. It is quite amazing and almost unheard of in America since the great depression. This is not in the inner-city or ghetto, but in a nice suburb. There are well over a hundred tents and hand made shanties and well over 300 hundred residence living on a piece of land next to some train tracks in third world conditions – no running water (two garden hoses supply the only water for all of the residence) no electricity, six outhouses for all the 300-400 people that are only emptied once a week and are practically overflowing by the end of the week. Most of the people in the tent city are not your regular homeless people but rather just people and families who have been laid off, lost their houses and have fell on bad time. It may be that these types of tent city / shanty towns start popping up all over the country in the near future. Please pray that the Lord moves in power as we continue to minister to these broken souls.

Here is a link to a video and some pictures of the tent city shantytown.

[url=http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=efae496f9fdbef111ab0]Southern California Shanty Town / Tent City (GodTube Video)[/url]

Please pray for the salvation of the souls who live in this shanty town.

God bless,

Patrick Ersig
www.streetrevival.org

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dbm Jan 25, 2008

This struck me to the core.

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ccchhhrrriiisss Jan 25, 2008

Hi Christisking...

Yes, this video is disheartening. However, are you sure that this is the result of God's "economic judgment?" We have little "shanty towns" all over southern Texas. They are referred to as "colonias" and have been around for decades. In addition, many major metropolitan areas are experiencing an increase in homeless tent-cities, especially after the homeless realize that the suburbs are where the "kindhearted" money is.

Over the past few years, I have traveled into the colonias of southern Texas in order to help share the Good News of Christ, as well as help in practical ways. These colonias are populated mostly by immigrants (legal and illegal) from Mexico, Central and South America, but there are still some homeless who have chosen to call these places "home." Ironically, they claim that such places are better than the conditions in which they have come (especially for the immigrants).

It might be important to recognize a difference between "economic judgment" -- and just being poor. Jesus told us that we would always have the poor with us (Matthew 26:11). Yet "poor" is such a subjective word. Many Americans would look at people living in the Government housing projects as "poor." I used to feel this way when I first began ministering in the projects. Yet many inhabitants live with two cars, three television sets, two telephones, a cell phone, hot and cold running water, air conditioning, heat, and food (provided by food stamps, no doubt). Is this "poverty?" A shanty town is a terrible condition in which to live, but many in the video seemed to live in mobile homes and RVs.

After watching the video, I am reminded of the conditions in which my wife's family faced shortly after legally immigrating to America. They traveled as migrant workers for years -- with her entire family (her parents and her nine siblings) living in a one-bedroom metallic travel trailer. They took showers behind a tarp hung behind the trailer. Today, all of her brothers and sisters have graduated with at least a bachelor's degree -- with the exception of the two youngest (one 18 year old just beginning Architectual Engineering and the other a senior in high school). They do not look at their experience as "economic judgment" -- but as a stepping stone to a better life.

While it is a shame to witness such poverty (well, poverty in an American sense of the word), I don't know that we could consider such things "economic judgment." Remember, two-thirds of the world's population live in conditions far worse. They don't consider it "judgment." They consider it a way of life.

The video doesn't seem to make a distinction about the 350 inhabitants of this tent city. Do they consist of the perpetual homeless? Are they people who recently lost their homes? Is this a temporary stepping stone? Are these immigrants? Of course, poverty is a terrible thing. But like Paul said, he knew what it was like to hunger. He knew what it was like to thirst. He knew what it was like to be considered the "filth and offscouring of the world" (I Corinthians 4:13). Is this "economic judgment" or simply a condition of being poor?

How are these 350 any different than the 700 homeless who live in tents beneath a set of overpasses in Houston? Most of these in Houston refuse to seek to better themselves for one reason or another. They spend much of their days holding signs that request money or begging. At night, the area reeks of alcohol and drug use. Still, they are loved of the Lord. Many Christian men nearby have spent quite a bit of time and economic resources reaching out. But we have also learned the difference between the various inhabitants. Instead of providing money, we provide "life gear" for those in these conditions. We bring food, water, clothing, shoes and even old tents, rather than risk funding some who desire alcohol or drugs.

But you're right to minister to these. I will be praying that the Lord equip and empower you in your efforts. May the Lord show himself to these loved people.

:-)

sermonindex Jan 25, 2008

I tend to agree with Chris over this situation. I did some research on it yesterday. Here are some news related items to this tent city:

http://features.us.reuters.com/cover/news/D8C99CD0-AF35-11DC-9E67-616F0DA5.html

http://www.pe.com/localnews/yucaipa/stories/PE_News_Local_D_tentcity28.2915a96.html

http://www.selectopedia.org/video/business/tent-city-keeps-growing-in-southern-california.html


The video clip is good in bringing a reminder of the gravity of the situation of our economy. But not to put us in fear, but to look to our God in prayer to guide and provide in our lives and in our nation and also to pray for those experiencing poverty and do what we can to help them.


ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:
But you're right to minister to these. I will be praying that the Lord equip and empower you in your efforts. May the Lord show himself to these loved people.

:-)

Yes, thank you, brother Patrick, for your work in ministering to these people. I join Chris in praying for you and for them. Perhaps this is God's way of reaching these very individuals who might would have never heard the Gospel!

I find it comforting that our Father is still the same mighty God in a collapsed economy as He is in a flourishing one. He is worthy of our trust. I like a quote from Joy Ridderhof, [i]"Friends are saying to me, 'What are people who are living by faith going to do when money gets tight and depression comes?' The thought came to me that the real question is, 'What are people who are not living by faith going to do?'"[/i]


[i]
"Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matthew 6:25-34
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Christisking Jan 25, 2008

Chris,

I understand what you are saying about the traditional homeless or "poor" in America and agree most aren't homeless due to economic judgment and what is considered poor in this country is rich to most of the rest of the world. Myself and the people we minister with have ministered to the homeless all over America including NYC, L.A., Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Kansas, Texas, Arizona, North Carolina - to name a few and have been to the immigrant migrant worker camps also and this tent city is something quite different and unique - even capturing the attention of Reuters and other new agencies. [b]"People becoming homeless as result of foreclosure due to sub-prime crisis, are taking shelters in makeshift camps in Southern California. Reuters report."[/b] The people in the camp are not your typical homeless. Where we also minister on Skid Row there are over 10,000 homeless in a few square mile area - but these tent city people are quite different. I would say if they were your typical homeless in the inner-city then you would be correct - but if these people are there building makeshift tent cities in the suburbs due to foreclosers and the beginnings of the economic collapse of the American economy - then there is a very good chance they are there due to the beginnings of economic judgment and more of these tent cities and shanty town will be popping up all over America as hundreds of thousands or millions of people lose there homes. Depending on how bad the mortgage crisis gets these people could be the first effected by the next great depression or at least severe recession.

God bless,

Patrick

www.streetrevival.org

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ccchhhrrriiisss Jan 26, 2008

Hi Patrick...

I have no doubt of the dire need for a ministry such as this. It's just that I wouldn't quite allege that it is an "economic judgment" from God. I'm not even sure why these individuals are living in this tent-city.

While you quoted Reuters in regard to the subprime mortgage mess, [url=http://features.us.reuters.com/cover/news/D8C99CD0-AF35-11DC-9E67-616F0DA5.html] the Reuters article[/url] provided by Roniya says something entirely different. It claims that "[i]While no current residents claim to be victims of foreclosure, all agree that tent city is a symptom of the wider economic downturn[/i]." So, of course, the possibility exists where foreclosed families might choose to live in such a place, but this isn't currently the case (at least according to Reuters).

So, to the question of whether or not this is part of a judgment of God upon these individuals, I think that they are probably just poor. Even if the housing market falls, it is likely a symbol of bad decision making (by both banks and borrowers), rather than a specific judgment of God.

But once again, I appreciate your ministry to these individuals. It is a sign of godly compassion when an individual can look at the forgotten poor and downtrodden living in such conditions and can see them as "sheep having no shepherd." The Lord bless you mightily in this effort! May the harvest be abundant!

:-)

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ginnyrose Jan 26, 2008

Patrick..interesting thread. Since you minister to the homeless, I have a question for you.

How should a person approach a panhandler? A few weeks ago as I was leaving Wal-Mart, there was a female sitting right by the road, holding a sign informing motorists she needs money. She had her face hidden behind the card and was picking grass with her fingers. As I passed her, I kept my eyes on her face and when I was even with her, she looked up and I could immediately see she was a druggie. Now how would you have dealt with her? It bothers me yet to this day that I went on...I went on because I know it is not money she needs and that it is Jesus ....and I did not have the faith Peter did by taking up the crippled mans hand and say "silver and gold have I none, but I command that in the name of Jesus you get up and walk!

What say, Pat?

ginnyrose

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Christisking Jan 27, 2008

Actually not knowing what to say or how to approach someone can be the best thing - because it forces us to rely on God and the Holy Spirit. The best thing I can teach someone who wants to minister is to rely on the Holy Spirit and not themselves. In actuality and I'm sure you know this, there is absolutely nothing "you" could do for that girl and nothing "you" could say to help her, but as an empty vessel for the Holy Spirit to work and speak through is the only way that girl could be helped. It is important to realize that we can't convict anyone and we have absolutely no idea what any specific person needs to hear, but the Holy Spirit is the convicter and knows EXACTLY what ever single person needs to hear. When I see someone like that whether they are a homeless person, drug addict or whatever and feel led by the Spirit to speak to that person I first acknowledge to God that apart from Him and the Holy Spirit I am completely and totally incapable of witnessing or ministering to anyone and then empty myself step aside so to speak and ask the Holy Spirit to speak through me. Sometimes the Spirit tells me what to say as I approach them, but most often I have to step out in faith, open my mouth and start talking and just let the Holy Spirit guild me. It is amazing when you minister in this way what the Holy Spirit has to say and how the Holy Spirit knows just what each person needs to hear. Some people need to hear about the love of God first, other the Holiness, some the the wrath and judgment of God, with each person it varies and when we try to figure it out we just mess it up, but when we step aside, step out in faith and let the Holy Spirit lead us He always seems to get it just right. So you see, not knowing what to say or how to approach someone is much better then thinking "we" know what someone needs to hear or how to convict them - next time if you feel lead by the Spirit sister, just step out in faith ask Him to lead and guide you and start talking or asking the person some question and God will respond with Holy Spirit power.

Hope this helps.

God bless,

Patrick
www.streetrevival.org

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