Christian Depression

Christian Depression

We all been to that place after our call where we were guilt ridden to the point of depression. The Good News we believed turned into fear. Fear that our past, or our unworthiness would be found out.
Grace was a familiar word but an unfamiliar concept

We gathered in large crowds and the ones appointed to be servants were on an ego trip and the future heirs of the kingdom of the Son of God us, were on a guilt trip.

I would venture to speculate that the largest consumers of antidepressants in America are church going Christians.

You can’t sit under evangelical preaching of condemnation year after year with out becoming depressed or numb. This is not an indictment of preachers but of the church system.

Even though the saved are heirs of the kingdom of God they are children and their tutors and servants have mostly lost hope of spiritual perfection, children I said spiritual perfection, I know your fire alarms went off, maturity takes away all that paralyzing fear and only leaves the regenerating fear of God.

Be aware that some tutors and servants love the statues quo and lord over those in there charge that submit to their false teaching that we are all either lost are babes that are helpless.

Resist the devil and he will flee and cast out each others demons {fears ] and stop trying to solve endless riddles and pick up the Word of God. It is one of the records that speaks on earth of God. To have faith you first have to have light, Jesus is the light that John the Baptist came into a dark world full of darkness to proclaim. They had a self-righteous religion but no light. A spiritual desert laden with iniquity. Your Hevenly Father will give you all the light you ask for if you will walk in Jesus, The Light of the world.

Eddie

Christian Depression

We all been to that place after our call where we were guilt ridden to the point of depression. The Good News we believed turned into fear. Fear that our past, or our unworthiness would be found out.
Grace was a familiar word but an unfamiliar concept

We gathered in large crowds and the ones appointed to be servants were on an ego trip and the future heirs of the kingdom of the Son of God us, were on a guilt trip.

I would venture to speculate that the largest consumers of antidepressants in America are church going Christians.

You can’t sit under evangelical preaching of condemnation year after year with out becoming depressed or numb. This is not an indictment of preachers but of the church system.

Even though the saved are heirs of the kingdom of God they are children and their tutors and servants have mostly lost hope of spiritual perfection, children I said spiritual perfection, I know your fire alarms went off, maturity takes away all that paralyzing fear and only leaves the regenerating fear of God.

Be aware that some tutors and servants love the statues quo and lord over those in there charge that submit to their false teaching that we are all either lost are babes that are helpless.

Resist the devil and he will flee and cast out each others demons {fears ] and stop trying to solve endless riddles and pick up the Word of God. It is one of the records that speaks on earth of God. To have faith you first have to have light, Jesus is the light that John the Baptist came into a dark world full of darkness to proclaim. They had a self-righteous religion but no light. A spiritual desert laden with iniquity. Your Hevenly Father will give you all the light you ask for if you will walk in Jesus, The Light of the world.

Eddie

I can relate of what you saying and meant, little alone to live with one, that ones upon a time used to ministered to same category of people whether circular society or christian society, it's a broad especulation of how and why the emotional disorder, the psychosys of mind, the imbalance chemical through the brain, the spiritual blindness or deception. Yes it's all lead to undermining sinful nature of mankind.

Where and what are the practical implications of reponsible psychology, Christian theology, and the spiritual growth? How as a christian can truly minister in this society. I have seen much in my exprience and have some good result, yet the spiritual event and battle are far more harder to combat ... this part on christiany,... to walk and enable to reach out with gentleness, patience, endurance, and so forth... it's hard but rewarding at the same time.

An indept and intense study of Lazarus thomb will give a prospective views on this. This has help me greatly.

Interesting thread.

I believe this is one of the most common problems for Christians today. Notably, it is also one of the most common problems facing society today and herein, I believe, lies the problem.

Too many Christians do not embrace Christ fully and do not embrace eternity fully. We are too busy thinking about ourselves and the world around us e.g. our family, our health, our jobs, our missed opportunities. We become so absorbed in these that Christ gets set aside and even blamed for the problems which beset us. We try to live like the world lives and do the things the world does. We become ensnared by the world's philosophies. We end up living in our own little world of make believe (which flares our pride) and when reality kicks in e.g. illness, bereavement we are smashed into pieces.

Flee from it all brothers and sisters and hand your cares and worries over to Christ. Make Him the centre of your attention, make Him the joy of your heart. This will greatly annoy your friends, family members and perhaps even yourself initially, but oh how God will bless. If you've trusted Christ as your Savior why are you still trying to enjoy the dead world. Leave it behind.

These earthly cares seem so important to us now, but in the light of eternity they are infinitisimal!

You can’t sit under evangelical preaching of condemnation year after year with out becoming depressed or numb.

If it's the preacher making you depressed, don't sit under it. Read the Bible for yourself under the Spirit's guidance and allow Him to lead you to a church where you'll get fed spiritually. If it's conviction of sin/disobedience that's making you depressed then listen to the Spirit's calling. Take the necessary steps, don't just ponder taking them, weighing up the cost, make the move! If all of us did this we might even start to see revival!!!!!!!

[i][b]For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 2 Timothy 1:7[/b][/i]

When we walk with the Lord in the light of His Word,
What a glory He sheds on our way!
While we do His good will, He abides with us still,
And with all who will trust and obey.

Refrain

Trust and obey, for there’s no other way
To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.

Not a shadow can rise, not a cloud in the skies,
But His smile quickly drives it away;
Not a doubt or a fear, not a sigh or a tear,
Can abide while we trust and obey.

Refrain

Not a burden we bear, not a sorrow we share,
But our toil He doth richly repay;
Not a grief or a loss, not a frown or a cross,
But is blessed if we trust and obey.

Refrain

But we never can prove the delights of His love
Until all on the altar we lay;
For the favor He shows, for the joy He bestows,
Are for them who will trust and obey.

Refrain

Then in fellowship sweet we will sit at His feet.
Or we’ll walk by His side in the way.
What He says we will do, where He sends we will go;
Never fear, only trust and obey.

Refrain

Words: John H. Sam­mis, 1887.

Music: Dan­iel B. Town­er

rowdy,

Just one or two observations I have made concerning your thread.

First, there is not much use of scripture. That makes a difference when dealing with any subject, for then it focuses on what the word of God says, and not our opinions.

That does not nullify that you urged us to 'pick up the word of God', which is what we should do.

Why would you speculate that 'the largest consumers of antidepressants in America are church going Christians'.

Where is the evidence for that? Has Barna done a survey on it?

I speculate that the drug store does not ask a person their religion when they sell the antidepressants.

They just sell them. Maybe you got that idea from something you read or heard. But it is not factual, just speculation.

As for sitting under evangelical preaching of condemnation, the word of God tells us that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit, Romans 8v1.

The only ones who should feel condemned are the unsaved, who need to repent, or Christians who are yet to repent of a sin they have committed.

If the condemnation leads to repentance and salvation, that means a soul saved from hell.

Who doesn't want that?

You mentioned about resisting the devil, as it says in James 4v7.

But before we resist the devil, we are to submit to God.

But, that's enough for now.

God bless.

Ok. So you say he is right.

Where's the evidence? The proof?

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It is amazing to think that some people think Depression is sometimes seen as bad!

1 Samuel 22:1-5
1 David therefore departed from there and escaped to the cave of Adullam. And when his brothers and all his father's house heard it, they went down there to him. 2 And everyone who was in distress, everyone who was in debt, and everyone who was discontented gathered to him. So he became captain over them. And there were about four hundred men with him.

These same men later are quoted as Davids Mighty Men.

2 Samuel 23:8-39
8 These are the names of the mighty men whom David had: Josheb-Basshebeth F57 the Tachmonite, chief among the captains. F58 He was called Adino the Eznite, because he had killed eight hundred men at one time. 9 And after him was Eleazar the son of Dodo, F59 the Ahohite, one of the three mighty men with David when they defied the Philistines who were gathered there for battle, and the men of Israel had retreated. 10 He arose and attacked the Philistines until his hand was weary, and his hand stuck to the sword. The Lord brought about a great victory that day; and the people returned after him only to plunder. 11 And after him was Shammah the son of Agee the Hararite. The Philistines had gathered together into a troop where there was a piece of ground full of lentils. Then the people fled from the Philistines. 12 But he stationed himself in the middle of the field, defended it, and killed the Philistines. And the Lord brought about a great victory. 13 Then three of the thirty chief men went down at harvest time and came to David at the cave of Adullam. And the troop of Philistines encamped in the Valley of Rephaim. 14 David was then in the stronghold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem. 15 And David said with longing, "Oh, that someone would give me a drink of the water from the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate!" 16 So the three mighty men broke through the camp of the Philistines, drew water from the well of Bethlehem that was by the gate, and took it and brought it to David. Nevertheless he would not drink it, but poured it out to the Lord. 17 And he said, "Far be it from me, O Lord, that I should do this! Is this not the blood of the men who went in jeopardy of their lives?" Therefore he would not drink it. These things were done by the three mighty men. 18 Now Abishai the brother of Joab, the son of Zeruiah, was chief of another three. F60 He lifted his spear against three hundred men, killed them, and won a name among these three. 19 Was he not the most honored of three? Therefore he became their captain. However, he did not attain to the first three. 20 Benaiah was the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man from Kabzeel, who had done many deeds. He had killed two lion-like heroes of Moab. He also had gone down and killed a lion in the midst of a pit on a snowy day. 21 And he killed an Egyptian, a spectacular man. The Egyptian had a spear in his hand; so he went down to him with a staff, wrested the spear out of the Egyptian's hand, and killed him with his own spear. 22 These things Benaiah the son of Jehoiada did, and won a name among three mighty men. 23 He was more honored than the thirty, but he did not attain to the first three. And David appointed him over his guard. 24 Asahel the brother of Joab was one of the thirty; Elhanan the son of Dodo of Bethlehem, 25 Shammah the Harodite, Elika the Harodite, 26 Helez the Paltite, Ira the son of Ikkesh the Tekoite, 27 Abiezer the Anathothite, Mebunnai the Hushathite, 28 Zalmon the Ahohite, Maharai the Netophathite, 29 Heleb the son of Baanah (the Netophathite), Ittai the son of Ribai from Gibeah of the children of Benjamin, 30 Benaiah a Pirathonite, Hiddai from the brooks of Gaash, 31 Abi-Albon the Arbathite, Azmaveth the Barhumite, 32 Eliahba the Shaalbonite (of the sons of Jashen), Jonathan, 33 Shammah the Hararite, Ahiam the son of Sharar the Hararite, 34 Eliphelet the son of Ahasbai, the son of the Maachathite, Eliam the son of Ahithophel the Gilonite, 35 Hezrai F61 the Carmelite, Paarai the Arbite, 36 Igal the son of Nathan of Zobah, Bani the Gadite, 37 Zelek the Ammonite, Naharai the Beerothite (armorbearer of Joab the son of Zeruiah), 38 Ira the Ithrite, Gareb the Ithrite, 39 and Uriah the Hittite: thirty-seven in all.

Depression turned these men into great heroes.
Depression if you have experienced it, is a wakeup call! If life is going well you do not see the many things that go wrong in your life! or the things right! Depression was experienced by the Prophets namely Elijah

1Ki 19:4 - Show Context
But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree. And he prayed that he might die, and said, "It is enough! Now, Lord, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!"

To me Elijahs life amazing that he lived on a regular diet of things fed from the birds and then bread from the Widow.
If any of you have eaten the same thing over and over again for say even a week you know that Elijah certainly was a man of faith!
Most people if they were to eat say a Mcdonalds say a Hamburger everyday of the week for say 40 years they would get sick of it but the Israelites and Elijah had to do this task.

Depression in America and in the Uk and worldwide!

Reply to: davym, chiefosiners, enid, deltadom, nowhr2hide, Compliments

First to chiefosiners, I was being facetious with enid and I apologize for the confusion.

To davym, I couldn’t agree with you more.

To deltadom, I think Christians should be free from depression unless it from a physical illness. As Christians we have all the resources of The Great Physician at our disposal to heal us spiritually.

To nowhr2hide. I will make a note on your study of Lazarus tomb suggestion and I do relate to your concerns on the physical aspects of this subject and would suggest that anyone, Christians included, seek medical help immediately.

This one explorer page in this thread has been corrupted on my computer. Somehow the scroll bar at the bottom has caused this thread to be so wide I am having trouble keeping up. Any suggestions how to solve the problem would be appreciated. If not, I will meet you all again on another thread God willing.

To enid, I don't know what to say, we just don't see things alike, may we both live in peace.

Eddie