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theevangelist Aug 5, 2003

What about John Osteen and Jimmy Swaggart...or even Donnie Swaggart? I think these men as well as Bro. Ravenhill and Bro. Wilkerson have had a major impact on my life and many others.

sermonindex Aug 5, 2003

John OsteenI am not sure about him, I would appreciate more feedback in regards to this speaker.Jimmy Swaggart...or even Donnie SwaggartAs I said in the Jimmy Swaggart thread I don't think these speakers are suitable for the SermonIndex site.I think these men as well as Bro. Ravenhill and Bro. Wilkerson have had a major impact on my life and many others.I think that there is a vast difference between bro. ravenhill and wilkerson compared to swaggart. It's like what Leonard Ravenhill said: 'The Devil can't fake a Holy Life'.

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jeremyhulsey Aug 6, 2003

"I believe one of the main ways that we grow in favor is by declaring it. It’s not enough to just read it it’s not enough to just believe it. You’ve got to speak it out. Your words have creative power. And one of the primary ways we release our faith is through our words. And there is a divine connection between you declaring God’s favor and you seeing God’s favor manifest in your life…You’ve got to give life to your faith by speaking it out." (Joel Osteen)In keeping with the erroneous idea of using some positive thinking to get what you want in life, Osteen preaches the Kenneth Hagin/Charles Capps idea that we can get what we want from God by our faith-filled words. This entire sermon was on how as a child of God we should be receiving "preferential treatment" by everyone. He testified about how he had been pulled over a couple of times for speeding but when the officer saw his last name was Osteen, no ticket was issued. He said the same can happen for every Christian who wakes up declaring they have God’s favor. By following this method Osteen says he has been able to get the best parking spot in a crowded parking lot, a first class seat on a crowded airplane with no boarding pass, and priority seating at restaurants.This is a far cry from what the treatment the Bible says true believers will receive from the world. Jesus warned in John 15:18-19, "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."The Bible also seems to quote these new prosperity "Christians" word for word in Revelation 3:17 -- "I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing." But Jesus responds, "you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked."And yet that is the cry of the prosperity gospel -- one whose god is the goods of this world -- what the Bible calls "lovers of mammon." The apostle John in his first epistle reiterates his warning against chasing after this world’s favor:"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him" 1 John 2:15.(Taken from: http://cultlink.com/ar/osteen.htm)I don't know about John Osteen, but his son is not only of the prosperity persuasion, but after viewing several of his services you will find he is very post-modern in his approach.Jeremy Hulsey

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Wesleyan Oct 16, 2003

no way - ravenhill and wilkerson operate in utterly different worlds than these other jokers

sermonindex Oct 16, 2003

no way - ravenhill and wilkerson operate in utterly different worlds than these other jokersI totally agree brother, I think ravenhill says it best:"I said last night, I think the greatest honor that was ever given to a preacher in history was not given by men, it was given by demons. When those demons said, "Jesus I know and Paul I know." Come on preacher, do you think if the devil has a danger list of the ten most wanted men in America you are one of them? I would rather be the last man on the devil's danger list than the first man on any honor roll you could give us about preaching. I'll say it again: brother, if you are not known in hell you are not worth a hill of beans.”Obviously I think Ravenhil and Wilkerson and many others on this site where know 'in hell'. I can't say the same about some of the mentionables above.

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