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Are we oppressing the poor?

sermonindex Feb 12, 2008

A false balance is an abomination to Jehovah;
But a just weight is his delight. Prov. 11:1

Diverse weights are an abomination to Jehovah; And a false balance is not good. Prov. 20:23

"saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell grain? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and dealing falsely with balances of deceit; that we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes, and sell the refuse of the wheat?" Amos 8:5-6

As Americans are we encouraging uncompetitive wages in other countries to fill our shelves? Are we too exploiting other countries by supporting are needs and wants.

The reason I ask is because I listened to a sermon from David Servent. It has been on my mind and heart after hearing this message.

sermonindex Feb 15, 2008

Good message brother.

I was just enjoying your website also.

I smiled when I saw George Mueller.

He taught finances best - hey? :-)

We can't 'out-give' GOD. It's been tried and proven. When you give your last penny away in obedience to His Voice, your needs will still be met, and usually miraculously.

GOD Bless!

D
davidt Feb 16, 2008

Hi Reformer,

Yes, I believe so. I believe we or at least the US is oppressing the poor. First it was the Native Americans being killed off and made to make missions and then it was the Africans and now it is to others like China and Thailand and so on. There are many working for very very little and some are harshly treated and even some children are being used. It is much more subtle though which seems to be the signature move for deception these days. It is subtle in that they are not forced by hand but by their need for the necessities of life and also because it is to far off nations where they are not immediately seen. To what extent is the US doing this I dont know and how much are they aware of and responsible for I am not sure but I am sure it is to some extent. Yet, if any nation lives in luxury while others are in dire need then that is sin.I have heard statistics that say the US uses 40% of the worlds goods. This is parallel to Lazarus and the rich man and the merchants spoken of in Johns letter of his revelation's wherein they lived in luxury and sold souls of men but in one day if all came to catastrophy and they wept.

I think the question then arises about what do we do or what are we doing. I have not a lot of clarity over this issue I have thought over it much. If we detach ourselves from it then we almost have to leave the world. I thought things like can I work for a major corporation that is corrupt in one way or another for all in one way or another are since they are run by unbelievers. Or should I buy from one of these places would I not be furthering these sweat shops? Or even living in a country that is sinful should I even pay taxes if it is going toward bad. I mean what if I lived in a Fascist Germany or a Communist China or a Luxurious America would I not be funding it? Would I work for a company that is run by the mofia? No... well then why would I work for some other criminal organization? The best conclusion that I have come up with so far is to go where I am called, do the best I can do, and live a simple life of moderation and necessity so that I am not feeding this beast that is man and it's kingdom. Also Jesus said to walk another mile with the Centurions and to pay taxes to Caesar and to my knowledge this Roman occupation was evil but because it was ordained by God for Israel to be under it under judgment they were to go along with it. Along with this kingdom for in reality that power would not have been given to them unless it were given from the Kingdom of heaven and since it comes from there we are to obey them as long as we are not sinning. Daniel also worked for many kingdoms. And, Paul tells us in his epistle to the Romans to pay our taxes and to obey the government since they are ordained by God and so if we obey them in the Lord we obey God. So that is the best I have thought up being led of the Lord and living in simplicity I dont know what do you'all think?

p.s. reformer do you have a link to that sermon?


C
changed4ever Feb 16, 2008

why do you think Jesus made a point of saying that the poor would be with us always. Was it that this condition of poverty was an inevitable outcome sin or was it that the human condition would not comprehend that poverty was not God's doing. ?
Furthermore, are we not all poor, who do not comprehend what is the exceeding greatness of his will toward us.
Could you not say, that the poor are oppressed of their own refusal to learn of the goodness of God toward them.
It is all there if they really want it.

H
HeartSong Feb 16, 2008

Could you not say, that the poor are oppressed of their own refusal to learn of the goodness of God toward them.

http://www.gfa.org/hope

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pastorfrin Feb 16, 2008

What does God’s word say?


The poor are always on God’s mind.

Deut. 26:5-9 And thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous: [6] And the Egyptians evil entreated us, and afflicted us, and laid upon us hard bondage: [7] And when we cried unto the Lord God of our fathers, the Lord heard our voice, and looked on our affliction, and our labour, and our oppression: [8] And the Lord brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders: [9] And he hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, even a land that floweth with milk and honey.

Luke 4:16-21 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. [17] And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. [20] And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. [21] And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Psalm 140:12 I know that the Lord will maintain the cause of the afflicted, and the right of the poor.

Isaiah 25:4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.

Psalm 10:14 Thou hast seen it; for thou beholdest mischief and spite, to requite it with thy hand: the poor committeth himself unto thee; thou art the helper of the fatherless.

Isaiah 41:17 When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the Lord will hear them, I the God of Israel will not forsake them.

Luke 6:20-21 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. [21] Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.

James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

The Lord’s commands on serving the poor.

Deut. 15:7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:

Deut. 26:12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;

Leviticus 19:9-10 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. [10] And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.

Proverbs 31:6-9 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. [7] Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. [8] Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. [9] Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

Isaiah 58:6-7 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? [7] Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Jeremiah 22:3 Thus saith the Lord; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

Luke 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Luke 3:11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Benefits to those who serve the poor.

Proverbs 22:9 He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.

Jeremiah 22:16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the Lord.

Deut. 15:9-11 Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the Lord against thee, and it be sin unto thee. [10] Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him: because that for this thing the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto. [11] For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.

Proverbs 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

Jeremiah 7:5-7 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour; [6] If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt: [7] Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Isaiah 58:6-12 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? [7] Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? [8] Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the Lord shall be thy rereward. [9] Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; [10] And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: [11] And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. [12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

Luke 14:12-14 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee. [13] But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: [14] And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

Luke 12:33-34 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. [34] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Matthew 19:20-21 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? [21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Consequences to those who oppress or simply ignore the poor.

Ezekiel 16:49-50 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. [50] And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Isaiah 10:1-3 Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed; [2] To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless! [3] And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation which shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?

Isaiah 10:1-3 Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed; [2] To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless! [3] And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation which shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?

Ezekiel 22:29-31 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. [30] And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. [31] Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord God.

Jeremiah 5:27-31 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. [28] They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge. [29] Shall I not visit for these things? saith the Lord: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this? [30] A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; [31] The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

James 4:1-5 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? [2] Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. [3] Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. [4] Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. [5] Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

James 5:1-6 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. [2] Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. [3] Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. [4] Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. [5] Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. [6] Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

Luke 6:24-25 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. [25] Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

Luke 16:19-25 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: [20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, [21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. [22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Our attitudes and the ways we are to serve the poor.

Proverbs 29:7
The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked regardeth not to know it.

1 John 3:16-19 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. [17] But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? [18] My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. [19] And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

Luke 6:33-34 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. [34] And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

2 Cor. 9:6-8 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. [7] Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. [8] And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

Matthew 6:1-4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. [2] Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. [3] But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: [4] That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

1 Tim. 6:6-10 But godliness with contentment is great gain. [7] For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. [8] And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. [9] But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. [10] For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Galatians 2:9-10 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. [10] Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Acts 2:44-45 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; [45] And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Acts 4:32-35 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. [33] And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. [34] Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, [35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Acts 4:32-35 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. [33] And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. [34] Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, [35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Ephes. 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Do we, as the Lord, put ourselves in the place of the poor?


2 Cor. 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Proverbs 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

Proverbs 14:31 He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker: but he that honoureth him hath mercy on the poor.

Matthew 25:31-46 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. [34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: [35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: [36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. [37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? [39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? [40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: [43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. [44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? [45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. [46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Yes, in the light of God’s word, we oppress the poor.


M
Miccah Feb 16, 2008

Edited out for non edifying response. I am sorry.

sermonindex Feb 16, 2008

[b]Thank you Pastor.

GOD Bless His Word.[/b]

sermonindex Feb 16, 2008


Yes, I believe so. I believe we or at least the US is oppressing the poor. First it was the Native Americans being killed off and made to make missions and then it was the Africans and now it is to others like China and Thailand and so on. There are many working for very very little and some are harshly treated and even some children are being used

Then we have this right in our own back yard.

http://thejuarezproject.com/2007/03/26/the-murders-and-disappearances.aspx?results=1#SurveyResultsChart


sermonindex Feb 17, 2008

Sis, just getting around to this.

I read the whole of it and my eyes fought tears through it all.

We have to pray. We have to. Even if it's just for the moments while we're looking at posts, reports, or hear things on the News.

I've called in secular radio programs, posted at secular sites, written letters to the Editors and they may attack you - but we Must speak up.
I was on one radio program discussing how many anti-abortion videos we have like "Silent Scream" and the old lady that called in after me complained that I was a sickie to be watching things like that.
Fortunately, the host of the talk show was a nice man and let me call back in to say, "That's what they said in Nazi Germany."

It is true also, that as the trains went by the churches, with people inside the cars screaming, the churches would just sing louder to drown it out.

I'm not trying to heap condemnation on us - but we've GOT TO Care. We can pray, at the very least.


Thank you - we're praying.

sermonindex Feb 20, 2008


HE_Reigns wrote:
Good message brother.

I was just enjoying your website also.

I smiled when I saw George Mueller.

He taught finances best - hey? :-)

We can't 'out-give' GOD. It's been tried and proven. When you give your last penny away in obedience to His Voice, your needs will still be met, and usually miraculously.

GOD Bless!

I visited a new church a couple of Sundays ago, I was confused and wondered why they didn't pass the offering plate around! Once the service was over as I was walking out I noticed a wooded box on the wall, label contributions. I immediately thought of George Mueller...he did the same thing. It spoke volumes to me about their faith and trust in the Lord.

Thanks for checking the blog out.

Blessings
Mike

sermonindex Feb 20, 2008

Good post Brother. That's how we used to do it also. George and Hudson Taylor and those like them. The way they did it in the Temple and first Church.

Anyhow ....... Thank you for this thread and your posts & site & witness Mike.

sermonindex Feb 20, 2008

p.s. reformer do you have a link to that sermon?

http://www.fleebabylon.com/audio/sheep_and_goats.mp3
Its called Sheep and the Goats by David Servant

I listened to it from this blog:http://www.fleebabylon.com/

Sorry it took so long!

sermonindex Feb 20, 2008


changed4ever wrote:
why do you think Jesus made a point of saying that the poor would be with us always. Was it that this condition of poverty was an inevitable outcome sin or was it that the human condition would not comprehend that poverty was not God's doing. ?
Furthermore, are we not all poor, who do not comprehend what is the exceeding greatness of his will toward us.
Could you not say, that the poor are oppressed of their own refusal to learn of the goodness of God toward them.
It is all there if they really want it.

Yes we will always have the poor with us, but Jesus didn't mean it to be sarcastic or to ignore the poor. He wanted the disciples to know He was only going to be here a short time...you will always have the poor, but I am going to the Father...you won't have me in person.

Proverbs tells us to help deliver the person fro there poverty.

If you are going to blame a infant baby or child for there condition and say that is their fault...you are sadly misguided in your thoughts. Christ is strongly opposed to oppressing the poor...read through the minor prophets, especially Amos, Hosea, and Micah...God warns and judge His people for there sinful business practices and oppressing the poor.

Amos 8
1Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.

2And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

3And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.

4Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail,

5Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?

6That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?

sermonindex Feb 20, 2008


Katy-did wrote:

Yes, I believe so. I believe we or at least the US is oppressing the poor. First it was the Native Americans being killed off and made to make missions and then it was the Africans and now it is to others like China and Thailand and so on. There are many working for very very little and some are harshly treated and even some children are being used

Then we have this right in our own back yard.

http://thejuarezproject.com/2007/03/26/the-murders-and-disappearances.aspx?results=1#SurveyResultsChart


Thanks for posting this.

sermonindex Feb 22, 2008

If anyone has Direct TV, channel network NRB, has Grace To You on Sunday morning...I often try to record it when I remember, so I looked to record this sunday's sermon and came to find out the sermon is called, "Abusing the Poor", thought that was really cool...so if anyone has the opportunity hope you can watch it.

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