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wildbranch Feb 13, 2008

Shalom to All,

I will no longer be participating on this board.

The moderators of this Message Board have stood by while allowing the attack poodles to continually undermine my character and question my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

I am clearly not welcomed here.

Thank you to all those who have contacted me in private. Your kind words of encouragement are warmly received and I feel sorry that you are not able to publish them, for fear of being tainted with the same brush as me. (blasphemer, heretic, cultist, witch, unsaved...etc)

[color=000000][b]I know in Whom I have believed,[/color][/b]
Sharon

sermonindex Feb 13, 2008

I am sorry to see you go sister. May God bless you and encourage you. Please keep using the resources as God leads.

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MrBillPro Feb 13, 2008

Mr. Bill also felt the same as you at one time, but Mr. Bill has taken long vacation away and it's been so reviving, might try that, trust me it works. God Bless you sister in whatever "GOD" leads you to do, now I need to get back to my vacation. :-)

sermonindex Feb 13, 2008

Sharon, I will continue to pray that you will have the revelation of the Deity of Christ Jesus - Immanuel - God come in the flesh.

You must understand our passion after Him and jealousy over His Deity, as passionate as you are over the things that you are.

The Love that He is, compels us to love all "as we love ourselves" - but to Love Him more than we love ourselves, thus more than anybody.


May you go with The Way, The Truth and The Life.

With His Love & our prayers.

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HopeinChrist Feb 13, 2008

Dear Sharon,

The moderators of this Message Board have stood by while allowing the attack poodles to continually undermine my character and question my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

I have no idea what incidents or threads you are referring to as I have not read them. I have however read many threads here full of strife and flesh needing to prove themselves right at all cost. The tares grow along with the wheat. Yet the forum and audio resources here are such a treasure. If you stick with the abundant resources for your listening and become selective about the threads yo read. ie devotional/articles I think you will find peace and nutrient for the spirit. I thought of the following verses when I read your post.


Matthew 5:38-48
38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matthew Henry comments on these verses much better than I could.
The law of retaliation.

The plain instruction is, Suffer any injury that can be borne, for the sake of peace, committing your concerns to the Lord's keeping. And the sum of all is, that Christians must avoid disputing and striving. If any say, Flesh and blood cannot pass by such an affront, let them remember, that flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God; and those who act upon right principles will have most peace and comfort. (Mt 5:43-48)


For your consideration.
much love
Hope

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wildbranch Feb 13, 2008

SermonIndex quote: [i]"Please keep using the resources as God leads."[/i]

Thank you. I shall do that. God bless you for making the resources available.:-)

May I particularly recommend the writings and talks of Art Katz. His words played a vital role in my journey a few years ago, and we have had the pleasure and honour of hosting him in our home, and spent time at the summer school held at Ben Israel, when he was still with us.

Sharon

sermonindex Feb 13, 2008

Jesus is God. Sorry if that offends.

Hope you change your mind about leaving.

Krispy

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psalm1 Feb 13, 2008

Now I am wondering what Art Katz view is on the diety of Jesus,my lord ,king and God.

Is Art "trinitarian"


David

sermonindex Feb 13, 2008

Well Wildbranch I have never seen your postings. But your not far from where I live though.

As for this idea of leaving, I think you should reconsider. You see, "Iron Sharpenth Iron..." so says the proverb, and it's needful that you consider staying with us. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they are wrong, you could be wrong, I could be wrong, therefore it's needful that we evaluate what we believe and compare it with what the Word says and then humble ourselves and receive the engrafted word which will save our souls.

I have had to re-evaluate my stand on many many subjects in the word of God. I even had to forsake my favourite preachers teachings, I've had to forsake some of what my Mother taught me. It's been very humbling, but it's worth it.

Here on SI, I've learnt a lot from my Brothers and Sisters here. I had to swallow my pride and there was once I put my foot in my mouth and ohhhhhhh that was humbling let me tell you.

Other times I had to bite my tongue, and other times I've written a post that would gag a horse and end up tossing it because it wasn't written in the right spirit.

SI is the best online place for the "unchurched". Of course there is other places, but I haven't found any. The last place that you want to be is in a place where everyone agrees with you. I hate it when people say that I am right, it irks my spirit. If I am right about anything, I'd rather that praise go to God for giving me the understanding.

YOU ARE VERY MUCH WANTED, just sit back and take it easy for a little while, read, learn, and PM people and get to know others.

God Bless 8-)

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wildbranch Feb 13, 2008

quote from Psalm1: [i]Now I am wondering what Art Katz view is on the diety of Jesus,my lord ,king and God.
Is Art "trinitarian"[/i]

In Art's defense, and as far as I have understood his position, he was a Trinitarian.
No need to worry, my appreciating him and his teachings need not make him 'suspect' and subject to an Inquisitorial Tribunal.

In the merit of Jesus,
the Son of the Living God,
Sharon

sermonindex Feb 13, 2008

Thank you for being honest about Art Katz.
He also did not preach that we are under Torah.
He preached Jesus/Immanuel and Holiness.

The thought came to me of new people coming and seeing your first post and the accusation at Moderator.

That wasn't fair - you are leaving out the commotion here last October when the Moderator was away at the conference.
That was a stressful week for many of the members here, trying to reason with you. Had the moderator been here then ---- well, I think if anything - he has shown courtesy in this incidence.

Paul opens Gal 1 on the subject of those who would bring the Church under the law again, much more serverely than any member here has. None quoted certain verses from Gal 1.
And the Deity of Christ issue could have had other verses that weren't posted.
You weren't banned last October/November. That showed much forebearance on his part, in your case.

For His Love & Peace.


Edit: mistakes in post.

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LoveHim Feb 13, 2008

Now I am wondering what Art Katz view is on the diety of Jesus,my lord ,king and God.

Is Art "trinitarian"

all i know is he preached "God crucified", so from that i can assume he believes in the deity of Christ. i've never heard anything contrary to that.

phil

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nfg22 Feb 13, 2008

WildBranch,

I do not post here often as I hate arguing about things but rather enjoy dicussing them. I know alot of the time people here can attest to their own views without seemingly considering others. I also know that this site needs more love. Too much judgement on doctrine, and not enough on fruit. Its hard to tell who has fruit and who doesnt over the intranet but when in doubt just be quiet. Overall though I do not know your views but if you dont believe Christ is diety, I would not call you a heretic, but rather an unbeliever as all who are Christians(little Christs) must take His diety into them. I love you and I will try and pray for you. I dont mean to say anything i do not understand and know that this is only because of what I have read in this thread. May Jesus consume your heart and soul with His love and passion for your life.

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iansmith Feb 13, 2008

WildBranch,

I understand what you're going through, but I think I need to advise you not to take it too personally.

Here's a rule I've learned (more recently) that there is no reason to get caught up in arguing on this forum, its very easy to walk away when someone tries to escalate something. I enjoy reading about devotional topics, and revival topics and about historic preachers, but I don't like nitpicking the finer points of doctrine.

I check in to see which topics are posted maybe once a day, and if I don't see anything interesting I don't post... I'm a much happier person now.

sermonindex Feb 13, 2008

Wildbranch,

Sorry to see you go. If you want to come back someday, please feel free. I don't remember posting with you but I do know how you feel!!! "Discussion" forum is definitely not the correct word around here, more like "Arguement" forum!! LOLOLOL I don't think anyone's ever agreed with me on here!! That's exaggerating but sometimes one does feel that way!!

For me, I've found out I'm better off to just post what I believe and go on and not look back. And when someone asks you to further explain yourself, they are wanting to draw you further into their world (arguement) but that is NOT all the time, most times but not all. So I post and go on.

Please forgive the moderators, they are doing their best to defend the faith here on the forum that they have been given. They may be a tad bit narrow minded at times but aren't you with what you believe? I'm not trying to pick on you, I'm just saying you are faithful to what you believe and are holding fast to the truth as you know it... as are they. I dare say when we all get to heaven, we will see exactly what we wasted our time on believing in and what we didn't. We will ALL be guilty of that in some form or another. [edit] So please let's do forgive one another!!

God bless you in your walk with Him,

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wildbranch Feb 15, 2008

Thank you for the well wishes, and the encouragement to stay on from some of the posters.

It would be nice, but ultimately I do not agree with the Board's practice and toleration of judging the Eternal Destiny of others whom they hardly know. :-( That we have the right to replace the One who will be our judge, and loosely declare that this one or that one is unsaved, is unscriptural - the Scriptures do [i]not[/i] require one to believe a "Jesus is YHWH' creed, but simply, as Peter declared, *"You are the Christ, the SON of the Living God"*. Jesus did not rebuke or correct Peter for that declaration, and in fact He said that upon [i]that[/i] knowledge which had been given Peter [i]from the Father[/i], He (Jesus), would build His church. Notice Peter did not say: "[b]You are YHWH God, Creator of the Universe, the Immortal God of Israel[/b]", but "[b]the Son of the Living God[/b]". As I said before, I feel confident to stand with Peter on that declaration, knowing that Jesus affirmed it.:-)

*By Whom, the day and manner of Eternal Judgment is clearly set forth in the Scriptures*: [i](emphasis mine)[/i]

Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the [b]judgment seat of Christ[/b], that each one may receive the things done in the body, [b]according to what he has done, whether good or bad.[/b]

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed [b]a day, in the which he will judge[/b] the world in righteousness [b][color=660000]by that man[/b][/color] whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Revelation 20:12-15 And I saw the dead, small and great, [b]standing before God[/b], and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. [b]And the dead were judged according to their works[/b], by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one [b]according to his works[/b]. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.


As Jesus clearly said:
John 17: 3 "And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent".

[b][color=660000]I refuse to 'humanize' the Eternal God, call Him 100% God + 100% Man, a 'godman' or anything other than "Hear O Israel, the LORD our GOD, the LORD is one".[/color][/b]

Sharon


[i][b]**[/b]The story of Michael Servatus, who was burned at the stake for his pure monotheistic belief and rejection of the the trinitarian dogma and infant baptism, reminds us of how one (John Calvin), is venerated in the church today as one of the 'Fathers of the Reformation", with churches, schools etc being named after him. That he had someone slowly burned at the stake for [b]disagreeing[/b] with him, is one of those little secrets which christianity has chosen to sweep under the carpet. Michael Servatus was judged and condemned to die, while the true villian in the case has been honored among men, and his destructive Inquisitorial spirit is alive and well today.[b]**[/b][/i]

sermonindex Feb 15, 2008

Sharon,

your position on Jesus seems to be the same as in Islam. they don't believe that He was God made flesh, come to earth, but that He was an important prophet.

it might be worth your time to investigate Jesus' position in Islam and then compare this to your beliefs. for now keep an open mind.

bub

sermonindex Feb 15, 2008

John 17:

4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

[u][b]5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.[/b][/u]

Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, [u][b] I AM [/b][/u]THAT [u][b] I AM [/b][/u]: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, [u][b] I AM [/b][/u]hath sent me unto you.

John 6:51
[u][b] I AM [/b][/u]the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, [u][b] I AM [/b][/u].”

Here we have a **Trinity of Truth** of the Deity of Jesus Christ.

He was before the world was with the Father, John 17, and before Abraham was [u][b] I AM [/b][/u].. Right out of Jesus own lips.

Why does it say in Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

In the OT Jesus was the WORD...and the WORD of the Lord came unto me saying.


And the WORD became flesh.

Doesn't IMMANUEL mean **GOD** WITH US? Yes it does!

So Sharon, why have you so insisted you are correct and everyone else is wrong....could you possibly be wrong here.

Many have tried to explain this to you, but rather then having a teachable spirit, you have had quite the opposite.

Just because you can't quite wrap your mind around it, doesn't make it a lie.

I do hope and pray you will have a deeper revelation of these truths, and that it is just a matter of misunderstanding, rather then insistence.


Love in Christ
Katy

PS: Added...for someone who seems to know so much Jewish this and that...and you have never heard who the Great [u][b] I AM [/b][/u].is?????

J
jgraves11 Feb 15, 2008

It concerns me that someone who says Jesus is not God considers themselves Christian.
One of the most telling verses in all of Scripture are
Colossians 1:15-17
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Col 1:14-17). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Just one example of how Christ is seen as God throughout the entire New Testament.

The reason that the pharisees wanted to kill Jesus is because He claimed to be God

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SimpleLiving Feb 15, 2008

Forgive my boldness, but I understand that this debate is the reason for the goodbye in the first place.

The goodbyes have been said and debating the subject, yet again, isn't going to change anyone's mind. Continuing it, especially in this thread, is fruitless.

I am sorry to see you leave the boards, sister Wildbranch. I pray God will bless and keep you.

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