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Ole Apr 5, 2008

I have been mentally ill for 7 years now, after rebuking, kindly though the pastor, saying that they did something that might destroy people,he started taking a hard grip on me, so I had to leave.

since then they prayed against me, they believe they are in their right to do it, that is scarry, they are not servants at all.

I experiecned one night that all hell broke loose, God told me who and why, I cried out to God for an hour, but was destroyed in prayerlife for 2 days, it has gone down down ever since mentally.

I still believe he prayes against me, it is like being in prison, can some one please help me, tell me how I can get out, I want to live in what God has to me, did it before, had a mantel of many colors (joseph), I also believe that was the reason they wanted me out.

Ole

sermonindex Apr 5, 2008

Philippians 2

Be Like Christ

1Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any (A)fellowship of the Spirit, if any (B)affection and compassion,

2(C)make my joy complete by (D)being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.

3Do nothing from (E)selfishness or (F)empty conceit, but [b]with humility of mind (G)regard one another as more important than yourselves;[/b]

4(H)do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for [b]the interests of others.[/b]

5(I)Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in (J)Christ Jesus,

6who, although He (K)existed in the (L)form of God, (M)did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

7but [a](N)emptied Himself, taking the form of a (O)bond-servant, and (P)being made in the likeness of men.

8Being found in appearance as a man, (Q)He humbled Himself by becoming (R)obedient to the point of death, even (S)death on a cross.

9(T)For this reason also, God (U)highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him (V)the name which is above every name,

10so that at the name of Jesus (W)EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of (X)those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is (Y)Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12So then, my beloved, (Z)just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your (AA)salvation with (AB)fear and trembling;

13for it is (AC)God who is at work in you, both to will and to work (AD)for His good pleasure.

14[b]Do all things without (AE)grumbling or disputing;[/b]

15so that you will prove yourselves to be (AF)blameless and innocent, (AG)children of God above reproach in the midst of a (AH)crooked and perverse generation, among whom you (AI)appear as lights in the world,

16holding fast the word of life, so that in (AJ)the day of Christ I will have reason to glory because I did not (AK)run in vain nor (AL)toil in vain.

17But even if I am being (AM)poured out as a drink offering upon (AN)the sacrifice and service of your faith, I rejoice and share my joy with you all.

18You too, I urge you, rejoice in the same way and share your joy with me.


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submission, love, humility are things God honors. Have a clear conscience to love and forgive everyone including a pastor.

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Ole Apr 5, 2008

well, that does not get me free, I have been stuck for 7 years now, I need to know how to get him to loose his grip

Ole

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Lowly Apr 5, 2008

Dear Ole,
The truth will set you free.

This is about what you believe. The Lord is your defense, He is your shield, He is your fortress.

Nothing can separate you from the love of God. Nothing can snatch you out of His hand.

Condemnation, accusations, charges against you, unforgiveness, a hearts plea for justice or vindication, all these things can make you feel as if you are in prison and being oppressed. It is as if someone has pronounced sentence upon you and you are waiting for a trial. You are looking for God to make this right, to defend you, to release you by making them see the truth. Or if He would deal with them and stop them, you are crying out for justice.

The door to this prison is already opened, the enemy stands outside oppressing you with condemnation and thoughts that will keep you there. Lies about the pastor, a need to be publicly declared not guilty. You don't believe God is hearing your prayers because He has not come to your defense in this, the way you are needing Him to. Why hasn't He saved you?

Don't drink of the gall of bitterness any longer, the door is open.........Jesus is asking you do you want to be well? Let go of this, and forgive.................drink of the living water........let my grace wash over you.............I have declared you not guilty.....the trial was over at the cross...............

Let Him look upon your wounds with loving compassion.........He know what you have been through...............Look at Him , Keep your eyes on Him, and abide under His wing for their is healing in His wings.................He will speak life to you..........but you will have to let this go...............no vindication.............Just forgiveness...............He will minister to your brokenness......He will bind up your wounds until they are whole..........He is saying Come.......follow me out............I am the Good Shepherd.........I will lead to still waters, I will cause you to rest in green pastures...........I will restore your soul..............

In His Amazing Love,
Lowly
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Learn of Me, for I am meek and lowly of heart..........

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psalm1 Apr 5, 2008

Hi Ole,

When you say "mentally ill",has someone told you this or do you think scattered or confused thoughts?

I was also wondering,does this pastor talk to you or visit you?

Do you have contact with him?


David

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Ole Apr 5, 2008

Hi psalm 1

Thanks for your reply

no, I had to break out, the pastor pushed me out.

I am not sure I would let him come, I dont want fellowship with people who in that way want to walk in darkness. I have forgiven him.

Ole

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Ole Apr 5, 2008

Hi Lowly

ok, I will try to believe that I am free then, and I have forgiven him many times

Thanks

Ole

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psalm1 Apr 5, 2008

Hi ole, Are you elderly?

Is this connected to alzhiemers?

The reason I ask is because aa lot of mental illness is vitamin deficiency.

David

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Ole Apr 5, 2008

I am young

no, I dont believe that that vitamins has anything to do with it

I have been harashed by the pastor praying against me, all the hurt I have felt in my heart because of attacks, I cant describe all the hurting I have felt

Ole

sermonindex Apr 5, 2008

Hello, Ole,

You have had good counsel and for sure if you feel you have been ill for 7 years, you do need to receive healing from the Lord. I would like to suggest that while He can heal you all at once, there may be a process which is more stage-by-stage, so that your understanding can keep up with it, and you can establish in your own mind, the terms of reference of each kind of healing you receive.

It is very traumatic to be told by someone you trusted (your pastor), that he wants you destroyed.

If I may state the obvious, such an intention is very far from God's heart for anyone. In fact, it sounds either Pharisaical or occult.


Another obvious deduction would be to surmise that this pastor is not a Christian, if he and others are praying against you (if they are or did).

But, because of his [i]title[/i] (and perhaps his age and knowledge of scripture), you have been inwardly submitted to him - which is one reason this situation has had power over you - although it need not.

Another thought\\possibility, is that something in your own life\\past, has made you vulnerable to his threats. I don't mean you are (necessarily) responsible for the existence of vulnerability within yourself (Who isn't vulnerable, when someone strikes below the belt?), but you are certainly [u]now[/u] responsible to go to the Lord and let Him deal with it, because you [i]are[/i] a Christian. You have to lay hold of the answer you need, directly from Him. He wants to help in whatever way you need, but, this doesn't mean you tell Him what the answer is... You tell Him the problem and He give you [u]His[/u] answer.. These suggestions are not necessarily a linear progression (although they may be).


A sister here made a comment which you may find helpful to consider. She and several other saints were together facing challenging circumstances. They knew they had to pray [i][b]and[/i][/b] obey; they had to start somewhere. She felt they should just start with the biggest most obvious problem, and get on with bringing it to the Lord.... like, when there is a seal which says 'peel here'. She said it would be crazy to try to 'open' the container - to get into God's riches - by any other way, as it set themselves up for much frustration, wasted time and scuffed fingernails. ;-)

In every religious system, there are sacrifices. In worldly (or occult) systems, the sacrifice can be a person, or money, or something else which is valued by society (and therefore, they think, will please that god). For [i]our[/i] God though, the only sacrifice with any power to change His mind, is the blood of Christ, the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world. His blood is more powerful than any other bloods or sacrifices, mustered up by the imaginations of unsaved men. By this blood, you are released from all sin, all guilt, all confusion, all evil, and any other power - no matter how powerful - which seeks to control you. Only as you walk in Him, can you experience it.

You might enjoy reading this encouraging description of 'the life', (I hope you do), from the thread currently running on Wigglesworth in General Topics, [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=22804&forum=35&start=120&viewmode=flat&order=0]Was Wigglesworth serious? (second post on p13)[/url], especially combined with [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=22804&forum=35&start=130&viewmode=flat&order=0]Was Wigglesworth serious? (seventh post, p14)[/url]


May the Lord lead you out.


Please tell me, do you know this hymn - 'And can it be that I should gain an interest in the Saviour's blood?'

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Ole Apr 5, 2008

Hi

thanks, that helped me, especially about the blood, and those posts,
no, I dont know the song
God bless

Ole

sermonindex Apr 5, 2008

Hello again, Ole. Thank you for the feedback. I know it made a big difference when I began to trust these truths.

Here is the hymn. Try it with the first tune link (below) before listening to the singers in the second link, as they're a bit fuzzy in places.

And can it be that I should gain
An interest in the Savior’s blood?
Died He for me, who caused His pain—
For me, who Him to death pursued?
Amazing love! How can it be,
That Thou, my God, shouldst die for me?
Amazing love! How can it be,
That Thou, my God, shouldst die for me?

’Tis mystery all: th’Immortal dies:
Who can explore His strange design?
In vain the firstborn seraph tries
To sound the depths of love divine.
’Tis mercy all! Let earth adore,
Let angel minds inquire no more.
’Tis mercy all! Let earth adore;
Let angel minds inquire no more.

He left His Father’s throne above
So free, so infinite His grace—
Emptied Himself of all but love,
And bled for Adam’s helpless race:
’Tis mercy all, immense and free,
For O my God, it found out me!
’Tis mercy all, immense and free,
For O my God, it found out me!

Long my imprisoned spirit lay,
Fast bound in sin and nature’s night;
Thine eye diffused a quickening ray—
I woke, the dungeon flamed with light;
My chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed Thee.
My chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed Thee.

Still the small inward voice I hear,
That whispers all my sins forgiven;
Still the atoning blood is near,
That keeps me clean and fit for Heaven.
I feel the life His wounds impart;
I feel the Savior in my heart.
I feel the life His wounds impart;
I feel the Savior in my heart.

No condemnation now I dread;
Jesus, and all in Him, is mine;
Alive in Him, my living Head,
And clothed in righteousness divine,
Bold I approach th’eternal throne,
And claim the crown, through Christ my own.
Bold I approach th’eternal throne,
And claim the crown, through Christ my own.

[i]Charles Wesley[/i]


Tune: Sagina
[url=http://www.ccel.org/cceh/0005/x000558.htm]http://www.ccel.org/cceh/0005/x000558.htm[/url]

[url=http://www.smallchurchmusic.com/MP3/CFCM_1159180191_MP3-AndCanItBe-G-128-CFCM.mp3]http://www.smallchurchmusic.com/MP3/CFCM_1159180191_MP3-AndCanItBe-G-128-CFCM.mp3[/url]

And be very blessed while you sing these great spiritual truths. A good rule is to sing the lines you know you understand and mean, and pray through the other lines, thinking about them, until [u]by faith[/u] you can sing the whole song.

I do know we don't always [i]feel[/i] all of the sentiments expressed, all of the time. But, they are [u]all always true in God[/u].

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psalm1 Apr 5, 2008

Ole,

I believe a sound mind is a benefit from heaven for every born again saint.

It could be that the enemy is sending tormentors to harass you.
This happens to every believer and I know if I think certain thoughts I also can get on the tormentor "merry go round"
Paul said "whatever is good,lovely and a good report,think on these things."

A lot of what we think is lies,and the enemy brings more lies and soon if we dont spend time in the word, its like the lies become reality because the natural mind is susceptible to false "truths"

See yourself as receiving what God promises you,a sound mind. Memorise scripture and sing to the Lord.

Remember the 23rd psalm "he restoreth my soul"


God bless you!!!


David

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Ole Apr 5, 2008

Thanks to you both

God bless

Ole

sermonindex Apr 5, 2008

Hello Ole, God Bless man.

We are in one hellish battle for our souls.

When I read your post I completely understood your situation because I was in that situation. And the good news that I read in your post is that you left, YIPEEE! That was a great move. I remember watching a program about Abortion. They were testing to see if the child had intelligence and not just a fetus. When they put an object in the womb, the child moved away from the object. They tried again and again the same thing.

When we know that we are in danger the best thing that we can do is to leave and run. The scriptures tells us 1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. And for you to run away from that was certainly an evil presense that was not from the LORD.

Ok, now that your away from that. Your alone and licking your wounds like you have just been in a warfare. Like Dorcas said, these things are going to take time to heal, and it will get better I can assure you.

The best thing for you to do is to request prayer from this site and allow the holy Spirit to work in you through our praying. Romans 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

These people at this church you were attending may have prayed against you, but we here can stand against thier prayers and put an end to it once and for all. Be enouraged that you are among brothers and sisters that know the LORD.

Leviticus 26:8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.

Of course we should recognize that Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

This is a spiritual battle and it's only done in the Spirit, in the name of our LORD Jesus Christ.

God Bless

C
crsschk Apr 5, 2008

well, that does not get me free, I have been stuck for 7 years now, I need to know how to get him to loose his grip

Lose yours brother.

I have been harashed by the pastor praying against me, all the hurt I have felt in my heart because of attacks, I cant describe all the hurting I have felt


I am not sure I would let him come, I dont want fellowship with people who in that way want to walk in darkness. I have forgiven him.
ok, I will try to believe that I am free then, and I have forgiven him many times
I still believe he prayes against me, it is like being in prison, can some one please help me, tell me how I can get out, I want to live in what God has to me, did it before, had a mantel of many colors (joseph), I also believe that was the reason they wanted me out.

Brother. It is your own prison you have made and the key is in your hand. You have not forgiven if you are still being bound to these thoughts. That is the key to let yourself out, forgive and move on.

You have not given us much to go on here but 7 years is a long time to be holding something like this in. Let it go.

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Ole Apr 5, 2008

Thanks, God bless

I would love if some of you would pray for me

Ole

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crsschk Apr 5, 2008

Certainly brother.

1Pe 2:19-25

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psalm1 Apr 5, 2008

This quote from pilgrims progress has stuck with me over the years and is such a blessing;

" Neither could they, with all the skill they had, get again to the stile that night. Wherefore at last, lighting under a little shelter, they sat down there till the day brake; but being weary, they fell asleep. Now there was, not far from the place where they lay, a castle, called Doubting Castle, the owner whereof was Giant Despair, and it was in his grounds they now were sleeping: wherefore he, getting up in the morning early, and walking up and down in his fields, caught Christian and Hopeful asleep in his grounds. Then with a grim and surly voice, he bid them awake, and asked them whence they were, and what they did in his grounds. They told him they were pilgrims, and that they had lost their way. Then said the giant, You have this night trespassed on me by trampling in and lying on my grounds, and therefore you must go along with me. So they were forced to go, because he was stronger than they. They also had but little to say, for they knew themselves in a fault. The giant, therefore, drove them before him, and put them into his castle, into a very dark dungeon, nasty and stinking to the spirits of these two men. Here, then, they lay from Wednesday morning till Saturday night, without one bit of bread, or drop of drink, or light, or any to ask how they did; they were, therefore, here in evil case, and were far from friends and acquaintance. Psa. 88:18. Now in this place Christian had double sorrow, because it was through his unadvised counsel that they were brought into this distress.

Now Giant Despair had a wife, and her name was Diffidence: so when he was gone to bed he told his wife what he had done, to wit, that he had taken a couple of prisoners, and cast them into his dungeon for trespassing on his grounds. Then he asked her also what he had best do further to them. So she asked him what they were, whence they came, and whither they were bound, and he told her. Then she counseled him, that when he arose in the morning he should beat them without mercy. So when he arose, he getteth him a grievous crab-tree cudgel, and goes down into the dungeon to them, and there first falls to rating of them as if they were dogs, although they gave him never a word of distaste. Then he falls upon them, and beats them fearfully, in such sort that they were not able to help themselves, or to turn them upon the floor. This done, he withdraws and leaves them there to condole their misery, and to mourn under their distress: so all that day they spent the time in nothing but sighs and bitter lamentations. The next night, she, talking with her husband further about them, and understanding that they were yet alive, did advise him to counsel them to make away with themselves. So when morning was come, he goes to them in a surly manner, as before, and perceiving them to be very sore with the stripes that he had given them the day before, he told them, that since they were never like to come out of that place, their only way would be forthwith to make an end of themselves, either with knife, halter, or poison; for why, said he, should you choose to live, seeing it is attended with so much bitterness? But they desired him to let them go. With that he looked ugly upon them, and rushing to them, had doubtless made an end of them himself, but that he fell into one of his fits, (for he sometimes in sunshiny weather fell into fits,) and lost for a time the use of his hands; wherefore he withdrew, and left them as before to consider what to do. Then did the prisoners consult between themselves whether it was best to take his counsel or no; and thus they began to discourse:

CHR. Brother, said Christian, what shall we do? The life that we now live is miserable. For my part, I know not whether it is best to live thus, or to die out of hand. My soul chooseth strangling rather than life, and the grave is more easy for me than this dungeon. Job. 7:15. Shall we be ruled by the giant?

HOPE. Indeed our present condition is dreadful, and death would be far more welcome to me than thus for ever to abide; but yet, let us consider, the Lord of the country to which we are going hath said, "Thou shalt do no murder," no, not to another man's person; much more, then, are we forbidden to take his counsel to kill ourselves. Besides, he that kills another, can but commit murder upon his body; but for one to kill himself, is to kill body and soul at once. And moreover, my brother, thou talkest of ease in the grave; but hast thou forgotten the hell whither for certain the murderers go? for "no murderer hath eternal life," &c. And let us consider again, that all the law is not in the hand of Giant Despair: others, so far as I can understand, have been taken by him as well as we, and yet have escaped out of his hands. Who knows but that God, who made the world, may cause that Giant Despair may die; or that, at some time or other, he may forget to lock us in; or that he may, in a short time, have another of his fits before us, and may lose the use of his limbs? And if ever that should come to pass again, for my part, I am resolved to pluck up the heart of a man, and to try my utmost to get from under his hand. I was a fool that I did not try to do it before. But, however, my brother, let us be patient, and endure a while: the time may come that may give us a happy release; but let us not be our own murderers. With these words Hopeful at present did moderate the mind of his brother; so they continued together in the dark that day, in their sad and doleful condition.

Well, towards evening the giant goes down into the dungeon again, to see if his prisoners had taken his counsel. But when he came there he found them alive; and truly, alive was all; for now, what for want of bread and water, and by reason of the wounds they received when he beat them, they could do little but breathe. But I say, he found them alive; at which he fell into a grievous rage, and told them, that seeing they had disobeyed his counsel, it should be worse with them than if they had never been born.

At this they trembled greatly, and I think that Christian fell into a swoon; but coming a little to himself again, they renewed their discourse about the giant's counsel, and whether yet they had best take it or no. Now Christian again seemed for doing it; but Hopeful made his second reply as followeth:

HOPE. My brother, said he, rememberest thou not how valiant thou hast been heretofore? Apollyon could not crush thee, nor could all that thou didst hear, or see, or feel, in the Valley of the Shadow of Death. What hardship, terror, and amazement hast thou already gone through; and art thou now nothing but fears! Thou seest that I am in the dungeon with thee, a far weaker man by nature than thou art. Also this giant hath wounded me as well as thee, and hath also cut off the bread and water from my mouth, and with thee I mourn without the light. But let us exercise a little more patience. Remember how thou playedst the man at Vanity Fair, and wast neither afraid of the chain nor cage, nor yet of bloody death: wherefore let us (at least to avoid the shame that it becomes not a Christian to be found in) bear up with patience as well as we can.

Now night being come again, and the giant and his wife being in bed, she asked him concerning the prisoners, and if they had taken his counsel: to which he replied, They are sturdy rogues; they choose rather to bear all hardships than to make away with themselves. Then said she, Take them into the castle-yard to-morrow, and show them the bones and skulls of those that thou hast already dispatched, and make them believe, ere a week comes to an end, thou wilt tear them in pieces, as thou hast done their fellows before them.

So when the morning was come, the giant goes to them again, and takes them into the castle-yard, and shows them as his wife had bidden him. These, said he, were pilgrims, as you are, once, and they trespassed on my grounds, as you have done; and when I thought fit I tore them in pieces; and so within ten days I will do you: get you down to your den again. And with that he beat them all the way thither. They lay, therefore, all day on Saturday in a lamentable case, as before. Now, when night was come, and when Mrs. Diffidence and her husband the giant was got to bed, they began to renew their discourse of their prisoners; and withal, the old giant wondered that he could neither by his blows nor counsel bring them to an end. And with that his wife replied, I fear, said she, that they live in hopes that some will come to relieve them; or that they have picklocks about them, by the means of which they hope to escape. And sayest thou so, my dear? said the giant; I will therefore search them in the morning.

Well, on Saturday, about midnight they began to pray, and continued in prayer till almost break of day.

Now, a little before it was day, good Christian, as one half amazed, brake out into this passionate speech: What a fool, quoth he, am I, thus to lie in a stinking dungeon, when I may as well walk at liberty! I have a key in my bosom, called Promise, that will, I am persuaded, open any lock in Doubting Castle. Then said Hopeful, That is good news; good brother, pluck it out of thy bosom, and try.

Then Christian pulled it out of his bosom, and began to try at the dungeon-door, whose bolt, as he turned the key, gave back, and the door flew open with ease, and Christian and Hopeful both came out. Then he went to the outward door that leads into the castle-yard, and with his key opened that door also. After he went to the iron gate, for that must be opened too; but that lock went desperately hard, yet the key did open it. They then thrust open the gate to make their escape with speed; but that gate, as it opened, made such a creaking, that it waked Giant Despair, who hastily rising to pursue his prisoners, felt his limbs to fail, for his fits took him again, so that he could by no means go after them. Then they went on, and came to the King's highway, and so were safe, because they were out of his jurisdiction.

Now, when they were gone over the stile, they began to contrive with themselves what they should do at that stile, to prevent those that shall come after from falling into the hands of Giant Despair. So they consented to erect there a pillar, and to engrave upon the side thereof this sentence: "Over this stile is the way to Doubting Castle, which is kept by Giant Despair, who despiseth the King of the Celestial country, and seeks to destroy his holy pilgrims." Many, therefore, that followed after, read what was written, and escaped the danger. This done, they sang as follows:

"Out of the way we went, and then we found
What 'twas to tread upon forbidden ground:
And let them that come after have a care,
Lest heedlessness makes them as we to fare;
Lest they, for trespassing, his prisoners are,
Whose castle's Doubting, and whose name's Despair."

AWESOME!!!!


David

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Ole Apr 5, 2008

I have let go, dont know what more to do

Ole

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