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Was Jesus ever sick?

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Here4Him Apr 16, 2008

Really been wrestling through this question with a brother.

I know that Jesus subjected Himself to all the limitations of the human body and cam eto live in a fallen world, i know He subjected Himself to pain and suffering on the cross, but was He ever sick in His life? Would He have been a fit substitute and a pure lamb if he was? On the other hand would He be a fit High Priest to those who are sick if He Himself was never sick.

Did He in subjecting Himself to live as a man in our fallen world experience headaches and did he wake up some days with a cold? Thats what i want to know. Any thoughts gratefully received!

sermonindex Apr 16, 2008

Well, the Bible never says. On one hand, as you say, He subjected Himself to all the limitations of mankind. But did He? Not really. Jesus walked on water, Jesus appeared with Moses and Elijah, Jesus healed the sick... etc. Granted, the disciples did these miraculous things as well, but they did so thru the power of Christ. Jesus did it because He was God.

Anyway... why is there sickness? Sin. My personal opinion (and thats all it is) is that He did not experience illness because He was sinless. Even tho He was in human flesh He never sinned... and therefore, I believe He was never sick.

But I wont argue the point with anyone because there are good arguments on the other side, I'm sure.

In the end, because the Bible is silent on the matter... then it isnt important for us to know. These are the kind of arguments that really are not worthy of much time or attention. Questions about whether Adam had a belly button, etc etc... on the list of non-essentials, I think these types of things are at the bottom.

Not saying they arent interesting things to ponder, because they are. I'm just saying it's not worth a lot of time and effort, and certainly not something to get into an argument about with the brethren.

Krispy

sermonindex Apr 16, 2008

K-man. now wait just a minute here. if Jesus was fully human, He got sick from time to time, just like the rest of us. i don't think He was a pretend human, a stick figure, representation of a human. so, yes, He got sick. (Can't you just hear Mary, complaining to her neighbor about baby Jesus keeping her up all night with collic or some such. 'He's really a perfect baby, most of the time.')

now, i really like this Adam "belly button" issue you brought up. it was most definately an "inny", those "outty" things are gross.

bub 8-)

sermonindex Apr 16, 2008

Bubba said

if Jesus was fully human, He got sick from time to time
I'm sure He did not... because His humanity was as the Word made Flesh.

I [u]very much agree with[/u] Here4Him, that the Life, Health, Light and Resurrection which Jesus embodied as the Son of God and Son of Man, was pure and totally powerful.

This is the Word by which the whole universe was created, and by which it is held together even today, whose ministry was such that sick people touching Him were made well. He rebuked the fever of Peter's mother-in-law. He knew who He was from before He was weaned (Psalm 22:9, 10), and I can't imagine a pathogen being [i][b]able[/i][/b] to make Him ill.

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intrcssr83 Apr 16, 2008

Here's a related question: The Bible says that as a child, Jesus grew in stature and wisdom. So, what do we make of the transition between boyhood to manhood every human male goes through via adolesence? Did Jesus go through puberty complete with acne, nocturnal emission and his voice breaking along with the emotional changes associated? If he did not, then by the age of 30, he would have looked like a very unusual man.

sermonindex Apr 16, 2008


Hi intrecssr83,

I would suggest you have asked an improper question, to which I wish to suggest this reply.

Why would He not have developed normally, and [u]perfectly[/u]?


That is, He had not a fallen nature. Thus, those attributes of fallenness about which you enquire, [i][b]could[/i][/b] not have applied to Him.


sermonindex Apr 16, 2008

I actually believe Jesus did get sick


and tired of the Pharisees! :-P

Katy

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intrcssr83 Apr 16, 2008

by dorcas on 2008/4/17 9:40:52


Hi intrecssr83,

I would suggest you have asked an improper question, to which I wish to suggest this reply.

Why would He not have developed normally, and perfectly?


That is, He had not a fallen nature. Thus, those attributes of fallenness about which you enquire, could not have applied to Him.

Exactly the point I was trying to make! :-) 8-)

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MrBillPro Apr 17, 2008


Katy-did wrote:
I actually believe Jesus did get sick


and tired of the Pharisees! :-P

Katy

Hey if thats the case he might still be getting sick from time to time, there is still a lot of them in the Church today. :-P

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Wordizlife Apr 17, 2008


Katy-did wrote:
I actually believe Jesus did get sick


and tired of the Pharisees! :-P

Katy


LOL man it's good to see people have a sense of humor on this forum.

Do you guys think that Adam and Eve would be subject to sickness if they never sinned?

"The soul that sins shall die" - Ezekiel
"The wage of sin is death"

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theopenlife Apr 17, 2008

Did Jesus ever get sick?

This is a question many people ask, especially in circles where sickness is directly associated with sin. It is a sad fact that I know a man whose sister-in-law was expelled from her church for prolonged sickness, which they assumed to mean she was in secret sin. What a terrible and unfortunate misunderstanding of the scriptures! Let us begin with this passage from John's gospel, 9:1-3:

"And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."

A common idea is that sickness is a by-product or consequence of sin-nature, a sort of punishment for being sinful. Because Jesus had no sin nature, one may reason, he would not have been exposed to sickness. I must disagree with this line of thought. I believe Jesus was subjected to sickness without having a sin nature, just as animals, which have no sin, are subject to sickness.

It is true, animals sometimes inconvenience or even endanger humans, but this is not sin. If it were, God himself would be a sinner! Sin is the violation of God's law. [1 John 3:4] Animals have no sin because no law was given to them. Where there is no law, sin is not imputed. [Romans 5:13] Why then do sinless creatures endure weakness and suffering?

When the world was first created God granted Adam authority to subdue and represent it. Adam was the federal head of earthly creation. When he sinned all of the physical creation which he represented was cast into the temporal repercussions of suffering with him. The creation now looks forward, as it were, to being set free from these effects of the fall.

"The creation itself shall also be set free from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now. " [Romans 8:22]

Sickness is neither sinful, nor a necessary repercussion of personal sin, or else animals would be necessarily sinners. I assure you, my dog will not be at the judgment seat awaiting his sentence, but this very night he is sick with an infection in the eyes. His sickness comes as the effect of Adam's sin. Though animals are not sinners, they are federally subjected to the temporal consequences which their and our original head, Adam, brought upon the creation.

For this same reason Christ, though born of a virgin and thereby free from spiritual corruption, was birthed into the physical weakness of his mother. He dealt with the same temporal repercussions of sin in the world which animals face. He hungered after fasting [Luke 4:2], his capillaries burst under stress [Luke 22:44], and he thirsted on the cross [John 19:28-29].

The people who said of Jesus, "isn't this the carpenter, the son of Joseph?" probably remembered him pricking his finger on a splinter and quickly drawing it to his mouth. How could a normal person be God? Yet Jesus Christ was fully God, and fully man, sin excepted. In order to perfectly represent broken men, Christ had to come as a broken man. The author of Hebrews explains why.

"Therefore since the children [for whom Christ died] are made out of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; so that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil... For this reason he [Jesus Christ] had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." [Hebrews 2:14-15, 17]

For these reasons I believe Jesus was prone to sickness. So, the next time you feel a cold coming on, lift your prayers to Christ who was himself tempted to complain and become discouraged, yet never succumbed to the temptation. He is merciful and compassionate toward all his children whom he represents as a perfect priest before the Father. He may desire to heal you now or, like the blind man in John 9:1-3, to use your patient endurance of illness as a means to manifest God's glory. My prayer is that you saints would be "strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and long-suffering with joyfulness." [Colossians 1:11]

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Here4Him Apr 17, 2008

Thank you Michael Spotts! I rather like your answer!

Its the best answer iv had so far.

What a Saviour Christ is! To think that the sinless one would subject Himself to the limitations, weaknesses and probably ailments of our flesh, and then suffer and die, bearing our curse. Hallelujah, What a Saviour! And What a High Priest!

sermonindex Apr 17, 2008


Hi Michael,

I wonder if you would elaborate upon this statement, as it implies Christ's flesh was uncorrupted by sin due to His mother's virginity.

Christ, though born of a virgin and thereby free from spiritual corruption
Is this what you meant?

sermonindex Apr 17, 2008

"Therefore since the children [for whom Christ died] are made out of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; so that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil... For this reason he [Jesus Christ] had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." [Hebrews 2:14-15, 17]


theopenlife, ...Michael....AMEN, and AMEN.

This is excellent.

And until we are Glorified together with Him, having our NEW Bodies fashioned **like His is NOW**, in the New Creation....we will always be vulnerable to sickness and disease here on earth.

Rev 21:
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

We only now have a *deposit* of this coming Glory!

Katy

sermonindex Apr 17, 2008


Katy said

AMEN, and AMEN
I don't agree that Jesus was ever sick, and cannot read those verses in Hebrews to imply that [u]He succumbed to illness[/u].

How could it be that people who touched Him were made whole, [u]if[/u] His flesh was subject to sickness?

It is not [i]possible[/i] to believe that [b]He is[/b] [u]Health, Resurrection and Life[/u], [b]and[/b] that He was [i]subject[/i] to the effect of the fall.

A misinterpretation of what His partaking flesh and blood means, leads to that conclusion, while conflicting totally with the gospel eye-witnesses.

sermonindex Apr 17, 2008

K-man. now wait just a minute here. if Jesus was fully human, He got sick from time to time, just like the rest of us.
What stood apart from the body of Jesus Christ and the bodies of man is the blood.

All the sicknesses in the world derive from the blood. The contamination came in by disobedience. Thus it was passed down from man to man to this very day.

Thats why it says that Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. It's not possible because they too had the blood of death in them. Death cannot take away death, neither can sin take away sin. Satan can't cast out Satan.

Jesus never got sick because He didn't have the blood of man that is slowly killing them. Thats what made the body of Jesus Christ so unique and different from all others. Oh yes, He "LOOKED" like a man, as it is written, "He came in the similitude of sinful flesh".

Your answer is the blood.

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Here4Him Apr 17, 2008

'Compliments' What do you mean when you say:

Oh yes, He "LOOKED" like a man, as it is written, "He came in the similitude of sinful flesh".

Jesus Christ a man, God became flesh (John 1:14) and He was a human descendent of David (Romans 1:3). He didnt just look like a man, He was a man, He is a man, there a man still at the right hand of God, the Son of God is forever in our flesh!

I agree totally that His blood was unique, spotless, without defilment, precious, containing the life and soul of the Son of God, and yet He was a real man in every way like unto us yet without sin (Heb 4:15). So Does the fact that He was sinless and His blood undefiled by sin, mean that He did not subject Himself to sickness, as part of the fallen world in which He came to dwell, and from which He came to save us?

Dorcas, you say Christ did not subject Himself to the curse of the fallen world but He died, that was the curse, he suffered pain. God cannot die and suffer pain, but Christ took on a body that He might, so does all that mean that He did not get sick?

Could people still not have bene healed by touching the Son of God, even though that Son of God was carrying a cold at the exact time?
Did not Paul with His terrible eyes, raise the dead while indwelt by the Spirit and power of Christ?

May the Lord forgive me if i am wrong, and make worng assumptions here. I am open to being shown i am wrong on this.

Christ is glorious to me either way, and sinless either way!

sermonindex Apr 17, 2008

It is not possible to believe that He is Health, Resurrection and Life, and that He was subject to the effect of the fall.

Linn, just the fact that Jesus went through the aging process....says in fact He was also in subjection to the Fall.

Jesus doesn't age now...will never grow older or younger.....He is Eternal....

If in fact His Flesh on earth was Eternal...it would have been impossible for even that flesh to be crucified!

Katy

sermonindex Apr 17, 2008

the Son of God is forever in our flesh!

Are you sure this is true.....in OUR flesh.

Our flesh was made out of the dust of the earth...ashes to ashes...dust to dust.

Jesus Glorified body is not in earthy flesh NOW.

Katy

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hulsey Apr 17, 2008

Just a few thoughts to ponder:

Jesus Christ identified with us as close as He could have:

The Child who needed no atonement offering had one made in the temple.

He needed not to be circumcised--the cutting of the flesh symbolizing the cutting away of sin--yet He was.

He needed no baptism, yet He was baptized.

He needed no death, yet He died.

Jesus Christ did not identify with Adam before his fall but after.

He was a descendant in the flesh of Adam through king David through the virgin birth.

His blood was human blood offered for fallen humans. His blood was not magical or mystical. What made it special was the perfect life that He lived and that made it acceptable to God.

Jesus Christ the man was in every way human like you and I, only without sin. However He did not come to us in an unfallen body but a fallen one, not fallen morally, rather, but fallen physically in that Jesus Christ was subject to death. That's what Paul meant when he said that Christ came in the likeness of sinful flesh-not pre-fall, but post-fall flesh.

And by the death He died he defeated death and won eternal life for all who put their trust in Him.

So could He have become sick. I suppose so. They asked when He was on the cross, "He saved others, can He not save Himself?" Just my opinion.

[i]EDIT[/i] I think an important question to ask here would be, "Do you think that if He became physically sick that it would have hindered His mission on Earth?"

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