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MrBillPro Apr 18, 2008

Are we Christians perfect? I asked a buddy of mine this, below was his response.

Hey Brother Bill,
Not trying to stir anything up, but I'm a Christian and I'm walking in perfection because Jesus commanded me to!

According to the words of Jesus, not the words of Doug, a Christian should always be perfect. If a sin happens to pop up, we quickly repent of it, which is part of walking in perfection. Most preachers preach that in the sweet by-and-by we will all be perfect in our resurrected bodies, but the bible says we are to be perfect now. The ones that are not walking in perfection are the ones that don't believe by faith that they should be, or don't repent of their sins because they are not ready to let go of them (which happens to include most of confessing Christians today).

There was a great song I loved to sing written by the Cathedrals Quartet that begins with the phrase "I'm just a sinner, saved by grace." It took God a few years to get it through my thick head that anybody that confesses (or sings) these words will live by them, and they don't know who they truly are in Christ! We are saints, not sinners and we are perfect even as our Father is perfect.

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sojourner7 Apr 18, 2008

As we abide in His truth and remain in His love;
as we walk in His Spirit, Jesus works in us to
complete and perfect us!!

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moreofHim Apr 18, 2008

hmmm, I read this today on Desiring God Blog written by Abraham Piper

I’m Not That Kind of Sinner, Am I?
April 14, 2008 | By: Abraham Piper
Category: Commentary

I often justify my anger by telling myself that I’m not like the person I’m angry at. If someone gives me the finger for no good reason while I’m driving, I instantly feel like I have a right to be mad, because I would never treat anyone that way.

I feel justified in my frustration at that rude driver, because I don’t flip people off when they tick me off. So I must be a better person, right? And if I’m a better person, I can rightly judge that driver for his wrongdoing, can’t I?

Of course, I know I sin in some ways, but I don’t sin the same as that driver. So when it comes to his sins, I have every right to be critical of him. We’re different.

But Jesus disagrees.

In the story of him saving the adulteress from being stoned, he didn’t say, “Let him who has never committed adultery be the first to throw a stone at her.”

If he had, she would’ve been quickly pounded by numerous self-justified stones, because surely most of the crowd hadn’t sinned like this woman had.

But no, Jesus doesn’t seem to rank sins like we do. He says, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

He seems to have two categories in this story: perfect and not perfect. So what Jesus really suggests is, if you are in the latter category, what in the world do you think you’re doing judging other people who are also imperfect just like you?

The fact that I’m imperfect in a different way—that I don’t sin the same as the guy who gave me the old highway salute—is totally irrelevant to Jesus. As long as I’m any kind of sinner, no matter how benign my faults might seem, I am still just that—a sinner, the same as an adulteress or a gesticulatively angry driver.

There is only one place I belong, and it’s not standing with stones in my fists, threatening someone else in the “not perfect” category. No, the only place I belong is crouching in hope at the feet of Jesus with the adulteress, and hopefully, with that other guy on the interstate, too.

Personally i think there is a balance. We are both sinner and saint. Because of the shed blood of Christ we are in right standing with Him- we are righteous.

But I have yet to meet one person on this earth who is perfect- thoughts, actions and all. My, how we would look down on others who weren't perfect like us. Knowing that I am not perfect keeps me in absolute awe of God's amazing grace.

For those of you who have reached perfection. I salute you. Unfortunately I stumble daily- if not in action, then in thoughts and/or attitude.

"The proud Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: 'I thank you, God, that I am not a sinner like everyone else, especially like that tax collector over there! For I never cheat, I don't sin, I don't commit adultery, 12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.' 13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, 'O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.' 14 I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For the proud will be humbled, but the humble will be honored."
-Luke 18:11-14


In Him, Chanin

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ginnyrose Apr 19, 2008

a Christian should always be perfect. If a sin happens to pop up, we quickly repent of it, which is part of walking in perfection. Most preachers preach that in the sweet by-and-by we will all be perfect in our resurrected bodies, but the bible says we are to be perfect now. The ones that are not walking in perfection are the ones that don't believe by faith that they should be, or don't repent of their sins because they are not ready to let go of them (which happens to include most of confessing Christians today).

Chanin, did you miss this point in the original post? As I understand it, man is perfect when he agrees with God. If he/she does something wrong, he/she will immediately work to fix whatever needs to be done to correct it, however the Holy Spirit leads. Thia is Biblical perfection, as I understand it.

What say?

Blessings,
ginnyrose

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