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Is your anger for the truth making you righteous?

sermonindex Apr 26, 2008

James 1:20 "For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God."

I was convicted of this truth this morning...I was on the defensive and was angered when the Holy Spirit opened my eyes. But the more I thought about it, I was humbled and was wrong in some of my discussions with others. I have found my self at times thinking I am doing God a favor in upholding His truth against those that don't agree with my thoughts. It truly revealed something new about my heart...How ugly and wicked it can be. :-( I am finding out when you ask God to reveal area's of sin in your life you can't see...look out He will!!

Reformer

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PaulWest Apr 26, 2008

I have found my self at times thinking I am doing God a favor in upholding His truth against those that don't agree with my thoughts.

This is an excellent post. The anger of man never accomplishes the righteousness of God, and whatever the cause for our anger might be, it still cannot negate this truth. Wrath, harsh speech, bitterness and critical thoughts are among the most elementary, non-spiritual, carnal emotions produced by man. Toddlers get angry when they don't get their way, and we can also get angry when others don't share in our convictions or agree with our interpretations in our limited knowledge of God's Word. Being angry and bitter at the condition of the church or for how others express their convictions is not a sign of spirituality, but a sign of weakness and immaturity. I've often noticed that soon after a person gets truly born-again, a spirit of criticism and bitterness arises, the tendency to unduly sharpshoot others, harangue other fellowships, speak evil of dignitaries, and just exhibit a behavior of absolutism and spiritual superciliousness over things they do not yet understand. We see this alot especially in radical youth, in opinionated babes in Christ, and generally in those who have good Bible knowledge but haven't yet been crushed and smashed and humbled by failure. If not caught and addressed early on, these can be headed for serious problems and a ministry that kills rather than imparts life by the grace of the Spirit.

The most basic instinct of a man or woman is to lash out and assert their convictions, even at the expense of denigrating others on a personal level. It takes much time and discipline and extensive chastening by the Lord to get us to a place of humble docility, to where we learn by the tutelage of the Holy Spirit the art of correctly managing our critical thoughts, words, and actions so that they edify and give life rather than offend and close off any further fruitful dialogue.

During my time in the Army, when my battallion was undergoing desert warfare training, we were taught that the most dangerous critters to watch out for in the sands were the baby rattlesnakes. An immature snake was more deadly than a mature snake, because the baby rattlers hadn't learned yet to regulate the amount of venom released in their bites. I think the same principle applies to undisciplined Christians and their nature to [i]strike[/i] the first thing they perceive as a threat...and while doing so, immaturely releasing a flood of poison that unduly injures not only the victim of the bite, but jeopardizes their own repuations as well. Thus, God would teach us through object lessons, like Jonah and the gourd.

Brethren, we need to understand that even though we may know the truth on certain subjects, and see others foolishlessly absorbed in what we know is erroneous, we mustn't strike out like a baby rattler and allow a torrent of spiritual venom to flow from our lips and destroy what we would accomplish through gentleness and a soft word of correction. There is a way to be angry without sinning, and we know that the anger from above should never cancel out the bedrock of our godly joy. If our joy in the Lord is suddenly eclipsed by anger, this is a fantastic indicator that this particular anger is not of God, but is coming from our Adamic nature.

sermonindex Apr 26, 2008

I have found my self at times thinking I am doing God a favor in upholding His truth against those that don't agree with my thoughts.

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We are not doing God a favor by upholding truth but doing ourselves a favor and others a favor who are willing to listen to truth. The anger part is where it gets sticky.

James 1:19-21
19 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and [b]slow to become angry, 20 for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires.[/b] 21 Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.

1 Tim 2:6-8
7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle-I am telling the truth, I am not lying-and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
8[b] I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.[/b]

Without disputing what? God's Word or HIS truth.

Eph 4:26-28
26[b] "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry,[/b]

27 and do not give the devil a foothold.

28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.


If we have extra money it is to share with those in need right. whooo


Mark 3:2-6
2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Stand up in front of everyone."
4 Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent.
5[b] He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, "Stretch out your hand."[/b] He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.


sermonindex Apr 26, 2008

Brethren, we need to understand that even though we may know the truth on certain subjects, and see others foolishlessly absorbed in what we know is erroneous, we mustn't strike out like a baby rattler and allow a torrent of spiritual venom to flow from our lips and destroy what we would accomplish through gentleness and a soft word of correction. There is a way to be angry without sinning, and we know that the anger from above should never cancel out the bedrock of our godly joy. If our joy in the Lord is suddenly eclipsed by anger, this is a fantastic indicator that this particular anger is not of God, but is coming from our Adamic nature.

Amen!

What I have found out for myself is that pride is layered in my flesh, the more each layer is pulled away it reveals the ugly side and deepest of my depravity.

"Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect; but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also apprehended of Christ Jesus." Phil. 3:12


James 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. This is so far from engaging persons to do that which is right and acceptable in the sight of God, that it puts them upon doing that which is evil. The Alexandrian copy reads, "with the wrath of men do not work the righteousness of God"; do not attend upon the word and ordinances of God with a wrathful spirit. Compare, with this, 1 Tim.2:8 "I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting."
John Gill

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Zionshield May 11, 2008

I really like this post. I think there's more to this than anger. It is an unruly spirit that strikes out in the guise of crushing false doctrine; someone that's not under the reigns of the Lord.
(I'm not referring to you, Reformer, but myself in past experience)

The Lord has had to deal with me a great deal on this. I have always been a zealous defender of the faith, yet willing to listen to a sound argument about things. Nonetheless over the years I have always gotten into trouble with the Lord over this issue.

I still am learning how to break bread with my brethren that don't believe the truth about some things (this may sound arrogant to assume they are wrong, ask me if you wish)...He's done well teaching me and granting grace for this, but I still have to be careful discussing those subjects or I'm right back to a divisive, unruly spirit......Now this is where I come to my point...

The Lord has been very displeased with me on the occasions that I engage in debates about doctrines when I have not love as my motive and am not waiting on Him. These have been more often than not. As a knight loves to joust I love to debate and this has hindered the Spirit greatly in His work.

Oswald Chambers went into the Scottish country to visit an old saint, simple and uneducated. When Oswald told him he was going into town to witness the old saint asked, "Do you have the Holy Spirit's permission?" This was a lesson to him (and myself) also when I read it.

I've done more damage than building up or helping in my debates b/c I was not considering that He is in control, knows everything about this person, loves them greatly and knows what I should say if anything to them.

In one of D.G. Barnhouse's last sermons he said that he'd learned how to fellowship on the 95% of the things he has agreement on and leave the 5% alone.

Watchman Nee's experience with the Brethren also comes to mind. Can you imagine them saying to brother Nee that they had to break fellowship with him and the Chinese brothers because they were keeping fellowship with brothers whom the Brethren would not?

This has been a long hard lesson for me…still working on it.

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destinysweet May 11, 2008

Enjoyed what has been offered here so far and am inspired to add this piece more from what is being driven home in my personal walk with Jesus regarding my own written and spoken communications. We have yet an arduous narrow path before us to travel together.Let us as allies,strengthen and nurture one another with the spiritual milk,bread and meat as is needed,never forgetting to be full of the fruit of Christ's spiritual character for the balanced health of us all.

In regarding anger in communications..I would serve generous portions of patience..also known as longsuffering..this produces godly stamina and perseverance..gentleness and kindness here will also result in strengthening a more abiding brotherly love..without love for one another we will not be able to stand in the evil day. Impatience is a virulent poison that needs to be dealt with swiftly in every soul that would walk worthily of their true calling in Christ. The antidote is patience..be ready to administer this quickly when anger rises up either within you or in those around you..because the anger or wrath of man,rising up from frustration are born out of impatience..impatience comes from not being very interested in divine will to the point of consistant,surrendered obediance.

We are all under grace,who are in Christ Jesus..but this does not mean we are not subject to heavenly law. The highest law of God's heavenly kingdom,of which we are true citizens,is the law of love and liberty.Heavenly law is embued with divine authority...In divine love there is magnificent liberty,and we rightly rejoice in this...however I am made to understand that we do not fully grasp the responsibility that accompanies the gift of divine liberty..we take liberties with our freedom and insult the spirit of grace..why is this so prevalent? Because we are not surrendered in our liberty to the divine will.

In the previous post we hear the story of a zealous man of God being asked if he had been given permission to go do what he had determined to do.It was possibly one of the most life changing queries he'd ever hear. Do you have permission from the Holy Spirit?

The Holy Spirit is saying to God's people now and always..Do you have permission..is your zeal godly or of your own flesh..have you genuinely asked for God's will be done in this and every instance when you seek to share your point of view,irregardless of how many times you may have been given permission to say it in the past? Is this what you ought to be saying..doing..when was the last time you even asked?

What does God say about debate in general..when is contention and dispute going to be hated more than we love debate?

When we are in the Presence of Love Divine in the waiting,exercising patience..it becomes harder and harder to justify the words we were going to thrust onto the table of fellowship..are we motivated by our prideful knowledge or do we actually have a word from God Himself..one that He desires be spoken..are we prayerfully covering the sins of others before we are quick to speak..asking for the purifying fire to refine our thoughts, attitudes and words? Are we disciplined or lawless and willful?heavenly liberty does not transgress the highest law of love...it is one with it,inseperable.Be aware and beware,our words may be right but full of lawlessness in the saying them without permission.

The words of the Lord are pure words..purified..it is written..seven times in the furnace of the earth..Can we honestly say we have gone into surrendered prayer truly seeking God's will even two times to have what we would utter purified? Are we allowing our communications to fall to the ground and be buried so they can yield the precious fruit of righteousness,burying all opposing motivations in the furnace of the earth? This furnace is it the very core of the earth..and burns molten hot..how deep are we willing to go to be refined by the holy purifying fire at the center core of our own earthly nature?

This forum offers such a wonderful opportunity not presented in verbal communications..you do not have to feel pressured to answer someone's question,warranted or unwarranted rebuke or statements of belief immediately.Let me ask you something.Have you ever paused to pray silently in conversation with someone who is opposing what you know to be true? Have you not dared to hesitate lest this be seen as weakness and they might've pounced,or laughed you to scorn believing themselves the victor prematurely..so let them..in our weakness His strength is perfected.It is the same strategy God used against Satan when He paused to allow Himself be crucified..and the devil still falls for it every time..his pride blinds him to divine strategy time and time again.

If you won't bend to the higher authority what makes you think your words will cause them to yield? Granted, it is a very odd thing when you pause to seek God's face in a verbal conversation.This is a bold and courageous move and takes a crucifying of flesh to do so. It takes humility and self control to pause and acknowledge the Almighty..revealing your deep reliance on Him. However this is the moment when all self reliance can be put asunder and the Holy Spirit is given the opportunity to move upon them(and you) for conviction, persuasion and release of pure heavenly wisdom. In our own strength we can do nothing lest God empowers the moment. He will allow you to take the helm if you insist ,but surely His strategy is the better way..acknowledge Him consciously (albeit silently unless you are with a praying friend)..and see if He does not turn the tide for His kingdom's sake.

However, having planted that seed, I would go on to prayfully lift up this mode we are using here on this forum,which God watches over very closely. I am encouraged to assure you of this fact. His Spirit is very jealous for the loving, disciplined, developement of the communications here on SI, as in all our comings and goings. He desires this table to be cleansed from all of our fleshly leanings according to His express will.Jesus sits here at this table..do all that you do and say here as unto Him. The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God..and without this reverential awe and yes, honest,healthy fear, we go astray,cheating ourselves and others of what ought to be the redeeming of this time...for it is short.

The opportunity we are presented with here is one of establishing a disciplined tongue,learning to take our thoughts captive,humbling ourselves in the sight of God and our brethren and being made into righteous scribes who resemble Jesus.

The distance provided here in this forum allows you time to come more consciously under divine will in your interactions..no one can hear you explode with indignation..Did this guy really say that?!!!No one can see you grimace and groan or pound the table in frustration, rise and pace around the house arguing against the other's obviously false interpretation ad nauseum..no you are blessedly hidden from view ..what a great mercy for us all..do not neglect so wonderful an opportunity to learn patient submission to God's perfect will.Take advantage of the practice this distance affords you..rise..push yourself away from the table,you need not even excuse yourself for we cannot hear you. I say leave the table because of our common impatience to return to the task. I challenge you to rise..disengage completely..leave the room ,go outside and sit in the quiet shade, perhaps, and then prayerfully consider what is on your heart before Him who is watching for your coming.This could take a few times before you are certain of the loving change and solid peace that fills you. Think of how this will effect not only your prayerlife but your communications as a whole..the verbal as well as the written.

This practice of surrendered obediance developes such a deeper work within the life of the believer than can hardly be fathomed even if it were described and is a wondrous training ground for those who would speak as though the very oracles of God.. as we are exorted to in Paul's writings if we are going to speak. Many wonder why they have so little authority. Jesus spoke and they could not gainsay Him..they were silenced in their illmeant questionings,instructed in their earnest ones and embarrassed in their being exposed for what they were. He spoke and demons fled terrified..spoke and the sick were cured..spoke and the storm was calmed,spoke and they believed on Him unto salvation.

What is it we are lacking..Divine Authority. Jesus said the authority was not even His,nor the doctrine He preached...Surely this is humility! He clearly said it was not His own,but the Father's who'd sent Him. Also, He only said the things He heard His Father say! Only did the things He saw His Father do! He was revealing to those who would believe in Him,the key to moving in true authority..actually doing the express will of God in every word and deed.Follow Me! Would we be like Jesus? Then we must follow Him in this most important way..it is His way..it must become ours as well.

Because this doing cannot be done of our own strength,lest we boast..we are reliant for the grace in which to become more trained in this..so we must ask for this ability to discipline ourselves under the mighty hand of God. We do not have? We need only ask..and in asking we exercise our faith in believing this is divine will for us or it would not be asked of us.You can know this ability has already been determined as a necessary provision. It is God's good pleasure to give us of His kingdom and has given us all things pertaining to godliness..it is ours for the asking..how badly do we desire to do God's will? How determined are we to obey Him? It takes effort to sit and pound these keys..how much effort are we putting into seeking and then doing first His righteousness,His Way?

This righteous love of God that waits for the divine will in determined,authentic, surrender empowers us to speak words seasoned with love's grace..else we will sound off,resonating as a clanging cymbal..making noise without the power to get accomplished that which God would send His word forth to accomplish. When we impatiently toss around scriptures,in our understanding of the knowledge of God and exalt our own timing,defend our questionable attitudes and ways above that which is perfect,that which has been lived out before us in the life of Christ Jesus,it as though we dishonor the pure word of God,when we handle it with the taint of our own impatient impure leanings.I am wondering if we could see the pure silver of God's treasured word,as a glorious lamp made so tarnished by our fingerprints..would we not spend time to polish it vigorously before presenting it for others to see?


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roadsign May 12, 2008

leave the 5% alone.

Trying to win over your “opponent” is a bit like playing hockey. Winning becomes the objective. Meanwhile our opponent, who certainly doesn’t want to lose the game, goes on the defence, and figures out moves and strategies – to save face if nothing else.

So, while we are trying hard to “win” him over to the “right” side on an issue, he is busy reinforcing his position. Really all we may have done in going after that 5% is strengthen it.

This may be one reason why Jesus said, “Agree with your adversary.” It weakens his moves. I typically deploy this strategy with atheists. Ex, I may say, “Wow, That’s just what it says in the Bible…. yes, God hates hypocrites too.”

One of my present once-atheist friends gave up on atheism after hearing a constant barrage of agreeable points from me, and now appreciates me talking about God, Jesus, and the Bible.

In all seriousness, it is a blessing to see people here set aside their "hockey sticks". I am touched!

Diane

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destinysweet May 13, 2008

I didn't know that He hated the hypocrites..thought it was was the behavior/mindset He warns against..hypocrisy is the problem..God doesn't hate me and
I'm sometimes a hypocrite..wish it weren't so..but whenever I am thinking..not me!..there I see myself proven wrong again.Just gotta shake my head at myself and pray for God to change me.
Jesus didn't hate hypocrites..He corrected and rebuked them ..but He loves even the enemies of God and righteousness.

sermonindex May 14, 2008

I am glad to see some response to this thread. I believe it is so important to me, if it is a struggle for me...it is to others.

We can get worked up in a frenzy when others don't see our point. I think DestinySweet made a could point about if we are offer up a silent prayer during a conversation with another.

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