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Hello,
This week I saw a lists of sermons about "false revival / false prophets / false movements" could anyone post this again?
I want to form a good perspective on all this.
At this moment at the netherlands there are a lot of things going on ( "revival of florida" is here and comes in the meetings because of james levesque > friend of T. Bentley) and there is also a big conference called heaven on earth with a lot of speakers from the movement of this (bill johnson, heidi baker, che ahn, john arnott etc).

Can anyone give a clear vision upon this movement and what's good, what's wrong and how to pray in all this?
A lot of people (15.000 or more) are at these meetings.

God bless.

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23223&forum=34]True & False Prophets[/url]

Thanks for this reply. Going to study this all.
Yesterday I went to a conference that was with heidi baker/winnie banov etc. in the netherlands. There where a lot of things going on. One speaker was "drunk in the spirit" all the time and started laughing all the time when she was trying to teach something from the word of God. A lot of people in the audience started laughing also, and there where a lot of manifestation (uncontrolable jerking/bowing the body etc).
Also another speaker started cutting "spiritual snakes" with a sword as in spiritual warfare.
I spoke a lot of people about this conference and a lot of people see that this isn't from God, other people thought it was amazing (received visions/dreams, received freedom, received healing, received the love of God etc.).
How must I look to these things? Is God also working allthough things are not pure with a few speakers? I can't deny people are being touched and changed. But I also can't deny that it's not biblical some things (drunk in the spirit/laughing in the spirit, the jerking etc.).

Can someone help me with this?

Psa 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.

All this you are describing is not to be found in the bible, My advice is go through the sermons in that thread, much scripture is given for you to go look and read and pray.

One thing is this, can you imagine Jesus doing all this stuff? can you imagine Jesus "being drunk in the spirit"?

no, then why should the spirit do all these things?

The Holy Spirit dont do these things. Jesus never did and the spirit are the spirit of truth

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, [b]he shall testify of me:[/b]

The spirit dont testify of himself, but of Jesus.

And he wont add anything Jesus dident do, he wont make you as in force you to do anything, God wont come and "make" you jerk and crawl around like a dog and bark, becuse Jesus did not do so and the spirit dont do such things either, becuse the spirt testify of Jesus.

i like a quote from Tozer,

"If you cant find it in the word, turn your back on it, and when you do, you turn towards the light(His face)"

But dont just take my word for it, there has been several threads lately about this, and a good starter is to go through that list of sermons and look in scripture and compare scripture with scripture.

May God be with you

Christian

About the laughter thing. I just read a book of derek prince and he says he also experienced the laughter while he was converted.
He looks at it as something from God (if I interpreted it correctly).
He says it happened a few time with himself and with other people who he met sometimes in travelling the world. It sometimes happened when people got free of captivity and when they have the assurance that God accepts them and won't cast them in the fire. (ps.126:1-2 / job. 8:20-21 he reffers to).
Is there a real laughter and a counterfeit nowadays? Or how do you guys/girls look at this from scripture and experience?

Anyone? Anyone again?

God bless.

Anyone?

DirkW wrote:
Hello,
This week I saw a lists of sermons about "false revival / false prophets / false movements" could anyone post this again?
I want to form a good perspective on all this.
At this moment at the netherlands there are a lot of things going on ( "revival of florida" is here and comes in the meetings because of james levesque > friend of T. Bentley) and there is also a big conference called heaven on earth with a lot of speakers from the movement of this (bill johnson, heidi baker, che ahn, john arnott etc).

Can anyone give a clear vision upon this movement and what's good, what's wrong and how to pray in all this?
A lot of people (15.000 or more) are at these meetings.

God bless.

Here are some threads you can read:

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23415&forum=35&16]THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRITS THAT TODD BENTLEY OPERATES UNDER[/url]

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23427&forum=35&8] MOST "CONTAGIOUS" ANOINTING - Florida - WARNING! -strom[/url]

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23328&forum=35&14] "ANGELS" & the FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL - Warning! -strom[/url]

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23455&forum=35&42]WARNING about VIDEOs - Urban[/url]

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=23526&forum=35&30]CHARISMA- "QUESTIONS About LAKELAND"[/url]

Yes, I read those but that wasn't my last question.

My last question was....
About the laughter thing. I just read a book of derek prince and he says he also experienced the laughter while he was converted.
He looks at it as something from God (if I interpreted it correctly).
He says it happened a few time with himself and with other people who he met sometimes in travelling the world. It sometimes happened when people got free of captivity and when they have the assurance that God accepts them and won't cast them in the fire. (ps.126:1-2 / job. 8:20-21 he reffers to).
Is there a real laughter and a counterfeit nowadays? Or how do you guys/girls look at this from scripture and experience?

God bless.

Thanks brother Tom for your reply.
I see the difference between what your trying to say....laughter from God versus laughter from the flesh/rebellion against God.

Let me ask the question a little more specific.
Does God give laughter in the mouth/soul of people who are earnestly seeking Him? Cause I know people (derek prince and others) who have experienced this while they where searching God in their inner room, while they where having victory over sin etc.
Is this possible it comes from God? Because it looks the same as the "laughter revival".
If so, what's the difference and how can we discern this? By looking at the fruits? Testing the doctrines? Testing the Spirit?

Thanks Tom, a clear answer. Sorry for the misquote my english isn't that good sometimes :)

Hi Dirk,

I'm not brother Tom but will share my own experiences for whatever it's worth they may be to you.

Does God give laughter in the mouth/soul of people who are earnestly seeking Him? Cause I know people (derek prince and others) who have experienced this while they where searching God in their inner room, while they where having victory over sin etc.

We have corporate meetings and it's happened in those as well as the prayer closet.

I've seen it in others as well and it was always done in order. I've not seen breaking out in uncontrollable laughter as the scriptures are read. Dirk, I'm not trying to create a set of rules for the Holy Spirit but do want to emphasis that order and a proper fear of the Lord must be met. I've seen one of the websites on the Florida "revival" and it says "Come and Get Some" and I've searched the scriptures and don't see a parallel...

Is this possible it comes from God? Because it looks the same as the "laughter revival".

If I were you, I would pray a radical prayer that Jesus grows you up, no matter what the personal cost is. That's a dangerous prayer but one which the Lord will honor.

If so, what's the difference and how can we discern this? By looking at the fruits? Testing the doctrines? Testing the Spirit?

Who is glorified and where is the focus? If it's man-focused there will be a lot of talk to build up the person speaking or to the audience but if it's Christ-centered, He will be lifted up.

If the focus on what I can get from God, the focus is off b/c it should be what can God get from me. Pray for maturity, it's critical to have a discerning spirit in this age...

Thanks for your reply.
You say it also happens in corporate meetings? Is that the joy / laughter? People laughing all over the floor, the whole meeting with this laughter? Or how do I interpret this?

And does God give this laughter (it just comes from Him) or is it just a joy that you experience? I'm not looking for this manifestation or something like that, that's up to God, I'm looking for Him in prayer. But I would like to understand what's happening and how is this in scripture.
And what's the difference between what God gives and what we see nowadays in all sorts of meetings/conferences.

[u][b]Jeremiah 2:11-13 (NKJV)[/b][/u]

Has a nation changed its gods, Which are not gods? But My people have changed their Glory For what does not profit. Be astonished, O heavens, at this, And be horribly afraid; Be very desolate,” says the LORD.

“For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters, And hewn themselves cisterns—broken cisterns that can hold no water.