THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRITS THAT TODD BENTLEY OPERATES UNDER

This is so difficult to watch... absolutely horrible!!

Please pray first before watching this and plead the blood over yourself

I've been watching the "revival" for about 5 minutes each night just to see what's happening. I really felt a strong warning from the Holy Spirit to stop watching it!! After seeing the above clips, I'm totally done. The Holy Spirit will show me how to pray from now on. I don't need to watch this garbage to know how to pray. It's almost like saying we need to watch porn to know how bad it actually is.

I was thinking of my post while cooking dinner. I started to second-guess what I wrote... thinking that perhaps it was more of a personal application. While I was thinking about it I got this scripture;

Ps 101:3
I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me.

I think this is a warning from the Holy Spirit for all of us who having been watching this garbage!!!! I know this scripture is often used in the context of pornography or violance, but I think this is just as dangerous!

Luk 6:25 Woe unto you that are full for ye shall hunger. [b]Woe unto you that laugh now![/b] for ye shall mourn and weep.

Hello...

Todd Bentley constantly manifests his “anointing” by shaking his head back and forth, and by his body physically shaking. These manifestations also happen frequently in those who he imparts to. He will even wave his arms over the audience, shouting, “Fire! Fire! Fire!” and then people in the audience will start manifesting. Some appear to be convulsing, and some even as if they are being thrashed by a spirit.

Oddly enough, this doesn't resemble anything that I read in the Word of God about Paul, Peter or Jesus.

:-(

If this were truly a move of God then true saints would be drawn to it... not repulsed by it.

Amen!

I was checking out things here on SI, looking at these videos. Unknown to my husband who is sitting a few feet away from me, he asked, "what in the world are you listening to?" He thought it sounded so terrible he wanted me to turn it off! I told him and he was absolutely repulsed by it, just like me.

Really, it just blows my mind how [i]anyone[/i] could even be attracted to any garbage, foolishness like this. And then say it comes from God! Sounds almost blasphemous to me.

Then on the other end of the spectrum you have those who engage in body piercings....if there would be a church group doing that, I am sure the feds would find some law to bring those people to court and jail them...

Bro. Paul says to let everything be done decently and in order...sounds attractive, does it not? I am so glad for the example we have in Revelation of how people praise the LORD.

ginnyrose

The knee to the belly is no doubt a carry over from his UFC associations. How this stuff is passing off as Christianity is beyond my comprehension.

I watched the videos and read the article.

I know a man who has had some similar manifestations as the man from Germany had. He was not demonized in the process or anything like that. In fact he fell more in love with Jesus and more committed to serve him.

I realise this all looks a bit crazy to most. I have seen similar things. I expect some of it was motivated by the flesh, but not all of it. At such times I have seen God minister to people, refreshing them and sending them out to serve. I have seen problem too. Sometimes people seek manifestations rather than God, looking for experiences instead of experiencing a lasting relationship. Some miss truth by seeking it in experience. Some miss truth by seeking it in religion or even intellectual faith. Jesus declared he is the truth.

I still catch myself sometimes falling into the same trap as the Pharisees: searching the Scriptures because I think in them I will find life. And yet those very Scriptures speak of Jesus, and I do not always come to him to find life.

The legalism of my upbringing still affects me, and I think it is sometimes in unusual ways that God drives that stale faith from us. I can't speak for all that is happening in Florida, but I have been less concerned than most. I still do not understand God's ways, and I want to listen to him about these things before I dismiss them. It may just be that some of us who went to church all our lives being told to sit down, shut up and listen to the teacher, need to wake from our stupor and learn what it means to have a relationship with God. We may need to laugh a little and cry a little. The work of the Spirit is much deeper than that however. I know missionaries and pastors who found God's heartbeat for the world while others stood criticizing: God doesn't work that way, this is of the devil, it's all just emotionalism.

I realize I may be wrong in these things, but having found God bigger than my ideas of "decently and in order", I still cautiously listen for discernment. Blessings in Christ!

I have seen a lot of nonsense in the church, but this tops it all.

This is false fire from heaven.

Revelation 13:13
And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (NIV)
9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

I have seen Todd a couple of years ago in the UK and I somehow knew that this guy is up to a lot more.

If you critisize his outfit and ornaments, his supporters will quickly brand you as legalist who judges people by outside things. Why does he hold on to his rings, piercings and gothic apparral with hellfire flames and magic symbols? Surely this must mean something to him, perhaps they are fetishes that "carry the annointing"

I wonder if you would make an altar call in
Fakeland - sorry Lakeland for those people who want to bear reproach outside the camp or who want to have fellowship with Christ's sufferings you would not get a single soul.

I can imagine that this "annointing" may even appear as a strong desire to serve Christ. The question is which Christ.

A can see that soon those who are entangled in this movement and other streams of apostate Christianity will turn against Jesus true followers and persecute them - as history has proven.

I myself was deceived by these movements and sermon on SI helped me to come out of this error.
I confronted the elders of my former church and they did not understand, so we left.

We have to help those who are open for the truth to come out of it. We have to demonstrate by our own walk with Christ how he really is.

Philip

Baohongen wrote

I know a man who has had some similar manifestations as the man from Germany had. He was not demonized in the process or anything like that. In fact he fell more in love with Jesus and more committed to serve him.

It’s not in doubt that God can save souls who are caught up in heresy. God is God after all. But these people get converted in spite of the heresy not because of it.

[i]18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18 (KJV)[/i]

Let’s not get confused.

It may just be that some of us who went to church all our lives being told to sit down, shut up and listen to the teacher, need to wake from our stupor and learn what it means to have a relationship with God.

I honestly don’t think that that is the issue here brother. These videos disturb us greatly and we seek to warn and help those caught up in this movement. We have to protect the truth. This ultimately leads to an orderly fellowship. Problem is that some churches shut the door and become as hard as clay. The door should be open, but once open the devil sneaks in with his heresy which is why we need order and structure.

[i]25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Matthew 13:25[/i]

It’s a difficult task to protect the truth. It requires discernment and I pray for the elders of churches who are charged with this task.

I still catch myself sometimes falling into the same trap as the Pharisees: searching the Scriptures because I think in them I will find life. And yet those very Scriptures speak of Jesus, and I do not always come to him to find life.

Agreed, the Scriptures draw us closer to Christ. The Holy Spirit allows us to understand them, but God will not divert from the Scriptures. These ‘manifestations’ are clearly unscriptural and therefore outside of our trusted source of light in this world.

[i]105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Psalm119:105 [/i]

It is only two possible explanations concerning the youtube clips; either
a. it is demonic or
b. the good old plain mass suggestion (a collective mass behaviour).

I can see nothing of the Holy Spirit in this!!! It is just grown men doing childish things together ....

The behaviour sometimes reminds me of the Vineyard "laughing revival" from the mid 90:s.

Magnus :-?

The sermon
[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=3324]Holiness or "Blessing" by Art Katz[/url]

Is a very good argument against any clown like behaviour I grew up in a School where i had to argue against pretty much against TB (Toronto Blessing)

I can imagine that this "annointing" may even appear as a strong desire to serve Christ. The question is which Christ.

"But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches anohter Jesus whom we have not preached, or [b]if you receive a different spirit which you have not received..."[/b]

I have no interest in watching this, but I have seen similar things in times past.... I tried to find the quote from Watchman Nee regarding his experience of those practicing a form or "witchcraft" which involved the shaking of the head.. I did find this intead:

"Another danger may arise for those who live by sensation rather than by the spirit through the will: they may be deceived by Satan. This is one matter about which we ought to inform ourselves. Satan is skillful in counterfeiting the feelings which come from God. If with diverse kinds of sensations he attempts to confuse Christians who aspire to walk wholly after the spirit, how much more will he play his tricks on those who desire to follow their feeling. In their pursuit of emotion they fall directly in the hand of Satan, for he delights to supply them with all kinds of feeling which they assume to be from God.

The evil spirit is able to excite or to depress people. Once a person is misled into accepting Satan-dispensed feeling, he has yeilded ground to Satan in his soul. He shall continue to be further decieved until Satan has gained control over nearly all his feeling. Sometimes Satan will even induce him to experience supernatural sensations of shaking, electrifying, freezing, overflowing, floating in the air, fire burning from head to foot and comsuming all his uncleanness, etc.

When anyone has been beguiled to this extent his whole being comes to thrive on feelings, his will is totally paralyzed, and his intuition is entirely surrounded. He exsists altogether in the outer man; his inner man is completely bound....

Supernatural phenomena such as those described damage the spiritual life of many a Christian most severly today. Countless numbers of Gods children have fallen into this pit. "

From Watchman Nee's [u]The Spiritual Man[/u]

If this was so in Brother Nee's time, how much more so today!

I appreciate the comments that you all have written, they are very true. Amen!

I watched the videos and I just keep thinking, "how could someone think this is God at work?" It just blows my mind. Nonetheless, we should continue to pray that God will move. I heard Ravenhill say that you will see false fire alongside the true fire when it comes.

One thing I keep going back to, in Wesley's experiences with the Spirit causing people to cry out, fall to the ground, etc, the individuals never expected this to happen. Wesley, on the other hand, always warned people to be sober. J Edwin Orr said that the people that were "slain in the Spirit" in the 1800's were unconverted, wicked people; not those waiting on a blessing from God.

My opinion is that there are some converted people who have been blinded by these types of things. Many are unconverted and truly seeking something. The ones that I think know they are not genuine are the false leaders. I was just watching about Marjoe Gortner; at least he admitted that it was all fake. He said that his conscience bothered him while he was putting on "the show."

Let's remember that all these people still need God.

I just signed on here and so appreciate all you've said. I have been listening to audio sermons now for a while as I sensed from the Lord to do so and now as I've done my homework concerning Todd Bentley and all who support him I have been so disheartend as many I found right in my church,
I spoke with my Pastor also and he doesn't see any need to renounce this "revival" as he says it's way too much like chasing rabbits as it would never end for him if he started. He told me he does agree with Rick Joyner although he didn't understand why he had gone and commisioned Todd Bentley. After doing my homework on Rock Joyner I find he too is just another false apostle. I have checked out so many who are tel evangelist and the like and find myself more and more appalled. I have been blind as I came into being a Christian through a charasmatic church and I've seen things from time to time that I just didn't agree with as it didn't line up with what I seen in the word of God. but then I saw it only in part and now I see it all very clearly. I have told my Pastor I no longer want to be identified with the charasmatic movement and his answer surprised me. But in all I am not surprised as I believe the Lord shown me beforehand about this great apostasy, I just have many relationships in my church and have grown to love so may of them with a pure heart. However God knows all things and also knows those that are His and will deliver them also in time.I'm home today from church as I cannot in truth go back to my church until I know wihout shadow or doubt that they separate themselves from all this deception. 2 Jn 9-11 I simply see it like this and want nothing to do with it as I truly do love God, His word, and want to be part of the group who are called the few by Jesus Mt 7:13-14 I think that if my Pastor would just think for a minute about what he said in ref to chasing rabbits then that should be indication enough that all these big time ministries are not following the Lord Jesus of the bible but their own pernicous ways. I will continue to listen to audio messages until the Lord shows me further where I can go. It's not easy as so many churches are in an apostasy state and not preaching the whole counsel of God. However I know in truth that God never leaves Himself without a witness.
Anyway thanks again for your insights which have helped me much today.

Okay, I just looked at the first video, of Bentley kneeing the German guy in the gut. I think its a great finishing maneuver . . . for the WWE!

I'm grieved this guy is doing this stuff in the name of our Lord. I'm not against him because of his piercings or tats, God can use people like that. But, God is not using Bentley; Bentley is using God.

i went a little down the rabbit trail and watch those stallworths of Christian doctrine, John Kilpatrick and Steve Hill bless brther Todd. Its comforting to know that the last heretics are pleased with the current. Hill said that millions are longing for the supernatural. That's true, but ito paraphrase the prophet Jeremiah "there is not one who longs after the Lord." The supernatural isn't the realm of God alone. Mr. Bentley is in league with darkness, there is no doubt.