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Soaking; meditation or witchcraft??? Please help the young.

sermonindex May 10, 2008

In the last few years, there has been a counterfeit prayer meeting, that has accompanied the Toronto blessing, along with the similar "anointings", all the way up to the current Bentley "revival". It's called [b]"soaking"[/b].

Basically, this is not prayer in the biblical sense whatsoever. This much heralded activity is closely associated with eastern Mysticism, and the occult. I believe it is the reason that so many long term Christians are consumed by the lies of Todd Bentley, and the demons that anoint his actions, and of course the multitudes of like minded deceivers.

In SOAKING MEDITATION you are taught to EMPTY your mind, into a sea of nothingness, while you focus on Spiritual things. You Guide your thoughts to God, and then focusing on spiritual things you then see, they manifest in very real spiritual objects, like Todd Bentley's profound visions of Heaven, and his conversations with Abraham, and angels, male or female. These are very real to him, and also to those schooled in this occult practice, shrouded in Christian terminology.

This is taught in each case of this deception. The leaders all have SOAKING ROOMS, usually with mellow music, where groups lay or kneel, without speaking, as they seek [b]EXPERIENCE[/b] with God. They often get it too.


It is nothing less than Satanic Guided imagery, than the Hindi have practiced for 4 millenia, at least. The Catholic mystics also practiced these occultic doctrines, as today, along with others.


THE BIBLE WAY TO PRAY: All through out the Holy bible men and women prayed, outwardly, to a God they believed existed in his Home, in Heaven. Always external... outward. Always aggresive, NEVER passive. Read the Psalms, the book of prayer for Christians. God sits on High. Jesus sits on high, to make intercession for us , as we pray THROUGH [or to] Him, in His Name.


God is alive, and is not enthroned in nothingness, nor will we find Him inwardly, as the wicked may say. Jesus is bodily RISEN, and if we seek Him there, we will find Him.


Demons are quick to answer this call for experience, through guided Imagery. Just ask Emma, the demon Princess that follows these wicked, to bring power. It's real, alright.

I'd like your ideas here, brothers, as this seems so easy to some. In the end though, people That I have known, have lost their faith in the true Jesus. This needs to be exposed, for what it is, and maybe is the gears that keep people bound.

sermonindex May 10, 2008


[b]“SOAKING”:
Biblical OR Mysticism?[/b]

http://www.safeguardyoursoul.com/html/soaking__biblical_or_mysticism.html

[b]THE LATTER RAIN DECEPTION[/b]
http://www.cephasministry.com/latter_rain_deception.html

[b]Soaking Music[/b]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soaking_Music

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destinysweet May 11, 2008

Todd Bentley's unholy and ambitious climb into the many levels of heaven is easily debunked..He places the heavenly throne of the Almighty Most High God,Creator of all that has been created,both of the heavens and the earth under that of the dwelling place of the angels and creation.Somewhere on the forth or was it the fifth level he says is where the throne of God is..not in the highest place..but tucked in somewhere sandwiched between..curiouser and curiouser..anyway the whole delusional drama is a sad hoax on Todd..who has used these types of things to promote himself as specially gifted in the prophetic,revelatory scheme of things..too bad he and those who follow after him,haven't seen the scheme for what it really is...there is hope for them yet we genuinely pray.

Todd also reveals his own blatant disregard for what is lawful vs what is unlawful by quoting Paul's strict adherence to not speaking of what he,Paul, saw and heard in the spirit when taken to the 3rd heaven,the Paradise of God right there in the story as he is telling it..do you see how stupid satan knows we are ..for the most part...Todd is expecting us to believe that the real apostle Paul would come to speak to Todd about these things and encourage him to do the same,speak of them to anyone who wanted to climb up into the 3rd heaven..apparently Paul either left that warning out when they were chatting or expected him to figure it out since Todd could read an all..I know I am being facetious here,but it is to make a point.

If it was unlawful to speak of when Paul wrote the truth concerning what he learned about these 3rd heaven experiences,(heavenly law is immutable,unchanging)so it still is unlawful.Bottom line. Having had some extraordinary experiences that I was expressly told not to speak of..as they too holy be spoken of..and having once soon after momentarily forgotten this command due my sometimes unruly enthusiam..when I began to speak,suddenly the words were stopped/prevented from coming out of my mouth..and the command was quietly repeated,patiently and sternly..so I was further trained in disciplining my tongue,under divine authority.The only reason Todd can speak of these things is because he has not actually been taken anywhere but into an altered state of mind or consciousness,a playground of delusions and illusions. So to believe anything he says regarding such matters is akin to listening intently to a lunatic..a mentally deranged madman,who is being toyed with by the devils cohorts..these stricken with madness are also convinced that they are telling the truth..sad to say.

The twisted logic of satanic deception operates in this same way in all these self willed..self promoting..sadly deluded and rebellious workers of witchcraft.

If you track Todd's supposed 3rd heaven experiences,you will find Bob Jones' seductive teachings at the helm. Notable is the soulish,earthly,demonic wisdom 'if you want to you can just do it' theory..do you want to..do you want it..do you want this? Bob sells a psuedo-spiritualized consumerism cloaked in a surplus of twisted,heretical rhetoric. A wiley foe is the serpent who has used this man for decades to decieve the lambs of God. He plays upon the undiscplined disobediant will of man..and snares those who are not fully surrendered to the will of God.For someone unpracticed in denial of self,the everyday following after their own thoughts is a normal practice,they just don't ask God what His will is,it simply doesn't occur to them upon waking to sit in the presence and to commit their steps, thoughts and hearts to God..they profess with their mouths but most hearts are far from surrendering their own authority over as a daily practice..they do not die daily. As a result they are led by their own desires. Their's is no true walk of faith,which relies upon,looks to,trusts in and is obediantly surrendered to the divine will.Interesting enough is Todd's signature cry "Do you want this?"

For the disciplined,surrendered servant of God..it is never about about what we want,but what is it that the Heavenly Father wants or desires from us..what is God's will? This knid of obediance is loving God with all that is in us. This helps center us on what is for the highest good for all in regards to His Divine purposes..then as servants,loving our neighbor..what do they need Lord? And then as we love ourselves..what do we actually need,God? Trust me He will show you what to ask for,by the unction of the Holy Spirit! This leaves the burden on God,where He has designed it should be. God surely will know much better than we do th difference between what we want and what we need.

This is why when Jesus gave us His very own template prayer for an example of how to pray..He begins with OUR FATHER,Who art in heaven,hallowed be Thy Name..Thy kingdom come, Thy Will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Acknowledging the Most High God,the Father first and foremost sets the stage for the acknowledging His perfect divine will as foremost,utmost in importance to us who believe..in this statement is the very key to the victorious Christian life.The opposite of this victorious life is the selfwilled soulish emnity warring for control of the believer's will..all believers,both young and old become open to being controlled by other spirits when they yield themselves repeatedly,either wittingly or unwittingly to anything that exalts itself above the Most High God's will for us who believe.We do not understand God's ways unless we are led by His Spirit..and because so many live according to their own thoughts..learning of the life of God but never actually living it..they do not recognise the subltety of suggestion that runs counter to the express will of God..the soulishly inspired ways we are seeing in so many of the forerunners and harbingers of these counterfeit outpourings are proof of the gullibility of the immature undisciplined and disobediant church today.

Your deep and very real concern for the youth is a shared one by me, many with a true parental heart are upset for the young teens/adults who are interning in the places where heretical practices and teachings are running rampant..but as many of their own parents had put off a more thorough researching until their progeny were already deeply dug in and would no longer heed their warnings and pleas,pointed requests to come home...they now complain over the internet seeking prayer for their young ones,despairing and rightly dismayed.

I have been thinking alot about the first days/years before,during and after this outpouring began to rear it's willful head in the midst of where I was fellowshipping,my visit to Toronto and associated fellowships around the nation,all the significant things that transpired and all that God has had to say about the temporary damage done to me/others because of even brief exposure to it. I am assured of the reason He had for allowing me to be in a postion to investigate what He walked me through. What Satan meant for evil, God has used for His Highest good..the painful lessons resulted in gained insight and discernment for me once I snapped more fully back into the earlier training I had recieved in surrendered obediance and strict adherence to God's will,sought diligently after and followed explicitly.There is the greatest liberty in this form..not my will but Thine be done..such protection and contentment.

Some things stand out in regards to the youth as I'd observed then, as they concern me now..with this wildfire ressurfacing in mass,burning again in earnest to bring more hidden devastation,though no longer hidden to those who have been made wise,having witnessed the true nature exposed,we elders are now being prepared and strengthened to speak the truth in loving concern ,ever leaning upon the Spirit of Truth in Christ Jesus and His word for the very best way to proceed.

As in the world's youth and empty adults many are seeking intoxicating substances to jumpstart their desired spiritual life..a feel good experience,some supernatural special effects..so is the carnal church..as always man when man makes the decision to go after what he wants whether it be money,power,gratification of any kind,he is operating at odds with divine will. Also with the blood bought believer,though so few seem to take this to heart..wherein the one cannot help himself being a slave to sin being held captive through being in darkness..the other has been given the keys to freedom from living a carnal,soul driven self-inspired life..the redeemed are the hardest to bear when they live a life justifying their own lackadaisical efforts to live a life that is pleasing to God..this is why there is so little noticeable true movement of God in the average gathering of believers.When they walk out of the sanctuary they do not seem to realize they are the sanctuary..and so when he/she moves back into their own movement per usual and still not surrendered to divine will,they are leaving themselves unprotected and headed for disaster,spiritually and naturally.Most of the trials folks suffer today are not so much for living a righteous life but for their compromised and weakened positon due to following their own desires...coming into agreement with all sin when they chose to do so..and running for cover in Christ's blood when they scare themselves silly.

Man's prideful rebellion comes from wanting the power to choose for himself..to be in charge..over his own life 1st and on it goes from there. It is all about power and security and how to get it when you are carnal..and the unsurrendered soul will try to get it anyway he can,through position,money etc...unless he is surrendered and under the Highest authority he is not given genuine power..because it would destroy him.

So Satan steps up and hands the immature ,selfserving, impatient soul a counterfeit..here recieve this offer of as powerful anointing or drink this..lose your inhibitions..join the crowd..everybody wants to belong to some peer group,security..LOOK!here an offer where everyone gets to have the power of God Him, and if they are only asking for pregnant ladies..go up anyway..all's far in the gaining of your own desire..you are desirng more of God it must be ok?..isn't He, His power too? get as much as you can..stuff your pockets full,your ears too!Just step up and ask for it..do you want to be powerful like God? These don't preach that sticky self denial or suffering for righteousness sake ,see how relaxed everyone is and happy..you want to be happy don't you? They say this is God's high...a holy drunk you can put on now that you believe in Jesus..look it's a miracle.. no substances..but a supernatural intoxicating high..and it doesn't show up in the blood stream to get you in trouble with the laws of man.Relax..let yourself go with the flow..


I say to those being seduced by this wickedness...Read Isaiah..every verse slowly and all the verses on drunkeness that are in the concordance..yes! Watch out! This evil thing will cause you to transgress against the highest laws of the kingdom of God..and then those of man as well should you not awaken in time..there is an addiction,a sly one,powerful and controlling,destructive to more than just your liver..it will destroy your very living for Christ Jesus alone.

In the long years of recovery from the effects of this travesty..I have been led to retrace or revisit the places where I had leaned upon my own understanding(now more fully determined to be under the strict guidance of my most patient Father God,through the Holy Spirit)..Always I had been too hasty,presumptious,not pressing into God's very Presence for His direct instructions or wisdom concerning something being spoken or prayed over me,or teachins that seemed right and were attractive to my flesh.I was not expecting so much subtle deception to be coming out of the mouths of men who professed Jesus. I was trusting in man sometimes more than God's word and the witness of the Holy Spirit...I had very little discernment.Lot's of enthusiasm..but not so very learned.

For instance I traced this soaking..though I often lay or sit quietly in prayer for hours..no one is guiding me through any imagery,except it be the most High God..I think it is a good and necessary practice to quiet your own mind..your thoughts have to be taken captive if you are to lead a victorious life in Christ!..I don't believe it is the same as being in a place where they are doing what you are describing..I have been hearing of this and we sometimes lay down on the floor just to rest..but what you are speaking about can be traced back to where it began in recent times..this practice started soon after the laughter and people being stuck to the floor,eventually causing them to simply lie back and relax into it,tiring of the fighting to regain footage for upright standing..add in the extreme drunkeness which caused so many to just fall or lay down rather than stumble about.

All of this came from the same spirit of willful rebellion evidenced in Rodney Howard Brown and was transmitted throughout the carnal body of Christ via the Toronto debacle,the framework for the associated leaders had already been established years before and these had an agenda for taking control of the world to transform it..placing them in direct opposition to God's express will and true prophetic word revealed.After my intial slip up with the laughter,explained further down,I became far more focused on asking God..should I do this suggested thing..or would you have me repeat this prayer after this man..I don't know where he is going with it..my trust in man was shattered for good when I began to finally discern how just being in the midst of the rucus and the false spoken word had effected my own personal walk.

A sad report from Toronto's own teen group,OCT-NOV 1994: "This outpouring came into our church at our youth conference with Rodney Howard Brown..and now we do not even have a place where we have our own youth night..no more youth group as before..now we have the whole world pouring in here" From the stranded youth I heard them complain,we feel as though we are no longer important enough to be considered worthy of our own time(as though they were used to usher it in but now they no longer mattered)These were out in parking lot most nights bored practically to tears..some dissappeared for hours and would sneak back knowing they would never be missed..yet were deeply unhappy with this reality.They were very open with me, seeking counsel for their own personal family's breakdown. Overstretched intoxicated parents who were working almost every night on the prayer team had stopped paying attention to them.The fact that focused parental authority was needed more now than any time in their lives was lost upon these workers.Both genders were in agreement as to the problems that had begun to surface since the fall of this so called blessing.I was grieved that there was none to listen to these children who were each facing hard things in school,at home and other gender relationships..stressed out,confused and despairing, a large group of these ignored teens opened up to me concerning the attacks on their own personal lives..and the sense of abandonment,deeply grieved at the obvious desintigration of family order.None of us were laughing.

I, personally was hated,very much despised by the leadership from the onset of my arrival which coincided with the 94OCT.Catch the Fire Conference,with one exception, the worship/music leader,Jeremy and having found out from him as he sadly admitted there was no counseling staff on hand for anyone who needed help.Though I sought God to allow me to leave on the day we had arrived I was caused to stay for an entire month. What I experienced in Toronto forever changed my soulish need to be accepted by the so-called christian public..prophetically pathetic,compromised ,bought and sold out and severely deluded or pathetically dry and legalistic.I may have experienced many of alll the differeent possibilities each with a slightly different twist..I am so grateful to God for the way He has used all the things that have come against me,meant to hurt, as strengthening lessons helping me to let go of my need for validation,giving me in it's place a greater vision of belonging because I love Jesus and have been given love for my fellowman..the very Love of God...and increasing daily! I am completed in Christ Jesus and will always fit in exactly where I do..in the beloved of God.


The reality being played out there in the natural with the Vineyard teens speaks to me of an adolescent vulnerablility..the immaturity of the carnal church being the weak place where this viral virus came in to plague the church.Immediate was the evidence of children once being watched over with focused godly parental authority were now left to their own devices.Those whom I met and sat with in the cold night air were bereft,felt abandoned,no longer important enough to be watched over with diligence,they gathered unattented in the darkened night..in search of the Wonderful Counselor.All I could do was take in their stories and listen..offering them the comfort of my mini RV to get in out of the cold,my guitar to practice on or sing among themselves..I did sing for them a little..but we mostly talked about them,as they didn't seem to enjoy being indoors much even though we were already getting an occaisional snowfall.I spent my teen years abandoned by parental authority, so I knew very deeply how they were feeling.

Teens can be dramatic and exaggerate some,and often view life as though the world were made to revolve around themselves..but the depression and sorrow that hung over them like a heavy cloak was palatable..and to me as if tangible. Teens are still children..they need lots of focused guidance. If no one is paying attention when they start to lose faith or become disillusioned,who will stay with them seeing them through those years..there is a cruel world waiting to seduce them with other comforts,but no real answers. I wanted to stay in Toronto just to stay watchful over these teens. I felt so helpless..I wasn't going to be there,I knew..I still had more of the journey to travel as shown and was only waiting for God to release us to go.I am still praying for these sweethearts 14yrs later...wondering how they have fared.

I was sent to examine this outpouring up close,through no desire of my own except a passing interest,due to the fact that John Paul Jackson and the James Goll's had passed through and brought their own particular perspective to us in Grant Pass,Oregon's Cornerstone fellowship(june94 and aug94 repectively).

Early on in JPJ's Conference,he suggested an experiment..such a charming man,so assured and charismatic,persuasive and seems so knowledgable..how could he be the unintentional bad guy in disguise? He asked whomever would to get down on the floor in the front and then see if we could get up..he said we wouldn't be able to..about half the congregation went to sit on the floor,I asked God if I ought to..Yes..but when everyone else proclaimed they were stuck I just stood up and had no trouble moving...as I stood up,I heard a voice say 'Don't you dare! Don't let on that this power has no authority over you..think of John Paul's ministry..how will he explain this..he won't know how..what makes you different..you will bring confusion if you let on that you can still move.' Well I didn't want to bring on trouble in a fun time did I? golly, I didn't know what to think...it seemed strange and uncomfortable to be in that position...just standing there but not walking back to my seat while the place exploded around me.

The laughter hit everyone on the floor and just like what JohnPaul had been speaking about to prime the pump beforehand,those who submitted to him all lost control.He had come to speak to us of this new thing that had happened in his ministry as of Jan.94 and forwarded this particular demonstration with his real life story about speaking at a church and suddenly being frozen in time for approx.5 minutes,completely motionless,not even blinking while a startled and amazed congregation looked on..but when he suddenly became unstuck and started in exactly where he had left off speaking without batting an eye,they couldn't take that he was yet so oblivious to what had happened to him and out of nervousness or whatever began to laugh so hard that they fell out of their chairs, into each other and into the aisles,which caused others to laugh and do the same until they were all unable to get up.


In asking God what the laughter was after a few days of this prolonged demonstration hitting so many,I asked Him outright..What is the purpose of this laughter,Lord? silence..again I asked..but there was no reply.Do I want this?This time an answer, "No! you definately do not want this! Trust Me..you don't need this..you are already trained in surrenderd submission to Me,you don't want to go there."

But wouldn't you know..curiosity being the dangerous thing that it is unchecked,I kept pursueing Him..asking Him to tell me what it was..I ought to have been able to deduce that if He said No..and was not forthcoming in an answer..I was simply to let it go and Trust Him as He'd already said.But Satan saw this persistant clamoring of mine ,to know, as an opportunity to decieve.. sidled up to my curious soul and began to describe the thing..you see it is like when young Tres (3yr old son)went to the dentist and was given laughing gas so he could bear the drill.I am doing oral surgery on them, this will change them so that they will begin to speak less out of their own souls..they will become more spiritually oriented..see I am showing them that I am God,and have all power to control them..they have asked me to take control invited me to be in control but have not surrendered all though they so often sing this...now I am wresting control from them...to reveal myself to them."

And you know what..yep! I bought it..what a stunningly clever devil..he knows just what to say to the individual believer when we are being too demanding and impatiently insistent on having our own way..show me! give me! reveal to me!..me me me ..I want..I want You to do this for me,as though God was our own private servant..a lackey even who must jump when we say so..this is evil though we don't know this when we are immature and unlearned,not fully trained..so Satan steps in with the counterfeit.This is what I know to be true.

They that wait upon the Lord will renew their strength..they shall mount up with wings as eagles..Teach us Lord to wait!

And so I have had to learn to sit as a weaned child upon the lap of my God..quiet and still ..trusting Him..is He silent?..then I will wait,resting my head upon His strong shoulder. An unweaned child always is scrabbling for the breast..always trying to get to it..the babe cannot sit still on the lap that feeds her..make us,Oh God, as weaned ones who can be still,waiting for God's perfect timing and manner to lead us into greater understanding..He is the Teacher..allow Him to make the lesson plan. He has heard me ask my questions the first time and will answer me in His timing.

So...With this clever lie ,cleverly designed to fool me regarding the benign value of the laughter,ringing in my ears and thinking about it..pondering this..hmmm,can't be too bad and so I asked, 'Can I feel how it feels even if I don't need it?' bam! I was overcome with this unpleasant controlling laughter for a few minutes and repented rather quickly.."I'm sorry I didn't believe you..forgive me Father..you were right..I really truely don't want this!" But the confusion as to the true author of this outpouring remained for quite a bit longer into the year as I was sent to see for myself the fruit of those involved in spearheading and spreading it.

Having seen and heard JPJ in my previous fellowship in Chico,Calif sept93,before being sent up to Grant's Pass,I recall being glad to finally have someone speak on the different types of experiences of the prophetically gifted,putting them neatly in categories and using scripture to do it..ok..this validated me in a way as never before..I was used to folks who never got anything from God and here was this nice and intelligent guy who spoke eloquently of all the different types of things I had been seeing and doing for years.

I'd heard and watched him prophesy over chosen individuals out of the audience,a mixture of varied churches that had come to see him..I'd never seen anyone do that,prophesying over individuals who he said had a light over their heads..something I'd never done in a church service setting and had no desire to..prophesying while in my prayer closet came naturally as did tongues..both showed up in my musically accompanied praying, also in my witnessing(presentation of the gospel to bring people to Jesus)My spirit became grieved over some of the 'prophecies' spoken by him,sensing a slightly calloused and partly cloaked arrogance in his tone and choice of words..when I came to meet one of these recipients of the prophecy that had really bothered me most..in Grant's Pass and learned how he had been praying in a prayer meeting coming against Satan with some soulishly inspired warfare method of aggressive frontal attack focused on the devil himself..he got home and his wife and baby daughter had been mysteriously burned to a cinder along with the whole house..ne'er a more humble and sweet spirited soul have I been blessed to meet..and to think of the way this man was prophesied to..made me understand why I could not bear witness to the tone.I was incredibly naive..and very open to learn..always have been...true discernment comes to us in many ways..my hope is to perhaps releive some of having to go through what I have to find out the truth for themselves.

This may disturb some but I am encouraged to include it.I also saw a strange half white and part blackened grey smoke like power/part light and part shadow coming from JPJ eyes while he was prophesying,and I thought..hmm? smoke gets in his eyes..what's with that? As I was sitting in the front row to the side where I could see better.This wasn't the totally darkened,oily blackened colors like an oil spill on the highway,after a rain hits the spill,a mess of dark and sinister, swirling power I saw at 14,coming from a killer's eyes(who was trying to get me into his car and had been trying to run me over when I refused to engage with him,who bore a rather strong likeness to Charles Manson I might add) which proceeded my first angelic rescue/intervention..No it wasn't like the horrifyingly scary power I saw then..but it wasn't completely pure either.No matter how much i wanted to beleieve the very best about him ..I felt a check.. I already knew by '93 that all the men and women of God that I'd ever met were off kilter in one way or another,so this didn't really serve me as much of a warning.

I am convinced that my partiality to John Paul Jackson for having validated and put categorical order much of the same type of basic ways we heard God speak to us..all of these being scriptural..this affirming of myself..key...myself(my gifts)..myself(my calling) made it all the more difficult to expose him for the decieved and yet still believeing man he is.It also made it so much harder for me to reject the entire movement and instead suffered the effects because of it.

I remember the last night he was there in Grant's Pass he approached me by suprise in the midst of the melee and slammed his hands down on my head suddenly saying Fear of man!..ouch! it hurt and felt as though he had just put this awful thing on me instead of taking it off..and I wasn't at allin agreement or sure I bore witness to me having trouble with this type of thing anyway..not the way I moved through life by faith and such.It was not anointed it was invasive,felt poisonous and was not the least bit reassuring.But because the coll guys are being lauded by thr pastor and the elders we shy away from tattling on them..for fear that we will be rejected instead..maybe it was afear of man that got dumped on my head and whatwith humbly trying to open to the possibility that he actually might have seen it and gone after it...we so don't want to miss anyhting that will help us be free from whatever is wrong with us..I am being facetious agin ..making a bit of fun at my own expense..trying to be as honest as I am allowed to be ..hoping others might recognize the same quandry and not be slow to stand up and speak out when you are not sure you bear witness..no one has the right or permission to just slam stuff into you or on you like that..so don't let them get away with it.

Just being in the same room with things spoken that are deception can mess with you..especially if they are saying it is God...with no one of any discernment or courage to oppose the words. Nowadays when I see or hear error spoken I feel compelled to point it outespecially if the youth are around..I can't bear them being led astray.. and have to spend days in prayer to make certain it is what God want's me to say or not..I am not entirely balanced I suspect from all this past troublesome stuff.We are so weak and fragile sometimes..how we desire to be a part of the family..to fit in somewhere..be loved and accepted..I have really had to die to this and be thankfully consumed by the Living God's presence in my life..not expecting man to be like God and yet still not able to compromise or stay where I am told I must leave and not come back until further notice..but always we pray for the ones we know are off kilter...praying that we be found worthy when He appears. I still ask for God to show me where we might not have gotten all the deception out and can only trust Him to reveal all in His way and timing.

The horrendous malady of folks who were abused as children and are seeking to be free from all that came before their salvation in Christ Jesus can be so torn up in the mess that this presents..do we trust ourselves when we don't bear witnes..or are we as demon possessed as this pastor says or this wannabe prophet..accusing me of being possessed by a demon of lust?..I hadn't had a lustful thought in so long I couldn't relate..shouldn't that be giving me problems that I would notice? Soon I began to see that many who came spouting I had this or that demon..were only telling me about their own need for deliverance from the sins in their own hearts.

I no longer trust any supernatural sightings unless God shows it to me in the written word and can reassure me in surrendered, focused prayer,exactly what it means in what context to what and why it is being shown to me.I have to consciously refuse and oftimes will do it verbally, any other voice from speaking if I even begin to think I am not hearing right..or it is my own soul lifting up itself to take control again..no other voice I am determined to follow but that of my True Shepherd and so I ask God to bind up all deception with me trusting and agreeing with and believing in His true authority for this being done.

JPJ as research shows had already been involved in a number of problematic situations concerning the Kansas City prophets etc. long before he was invited to come prophecy where I was going in Calif.93.It stuns me that so many of us have had to learn of all this so many years later..it stuns me that I never used to be so clearly convinced that such a thing could happen under everyone's noses.


Remember Rodney Howard Brown's effect upon the compromised carnal church..this man whose own personal testimony reveals the rebellion at the heart of this movement..somehow the willfullness of this man's impatient and defiant words is lost upon those who walk after their own desires..it fuels these to continue to pursue power instead of God's perfect will..It is recorded of his testimony..I want what I want from You now God now..and if You won't answer me..(or come when I beckon)..then I will go up there and get what I want..I may have paraphrased this..but have not changed the essence one whit..that is what I hear when I read his testimony provided by a previous link on the laughter and RHB's testimony here on SI.You will remember Tom that I wrote about what happened in New Orleans at one of his conferences..the clayity..and the wickedness violently slammed upon my head by him as well..sorcery unleashed ..so awful!What is it with these guys slamming me on the head? Then the loss of the memory of it for a decade...until I was invited to Lanai,crosing his path once again.. he roughly grabbed my arm and forced his will on me to turn me and make me face in a direction I wasn't...and the way he glared balefully at me when I walked past him once again aware of how evil he really was.

God opened my mind to remember the horror of his previous touch and ..I cried out weeping like a little one..you remember me sharing this? I used to try and bring the name of the city NEW ORLEANS up when speaking of that journey..but found myself reaching as into a huge black hole..no name would come though I could se my hand reaching for a city that had fallen into a dark dark abyssmal hole..so strange..and would be bounced all the way up to Baton Rouge..no I'd say that wasn't it?!Why can't I grab hold of the name of that city..at least 3 times over the following yrs in the late 90's and early next few..when sharing with someone some insight and when it was given to me..I would find myself tryint to grab that city an pull it out of that hole..like a Black hole...abyssmal..New Orleans..and the day before the hurricaine hit the city..I sat praying and remembered so much more of this journey 94/95..then 96/97..the Lord and all the angels of God as my witness..I believe God said not to rebuild it..that it would fall again.. I pray for the people who have returned to reclaim their old homes/lives there..and wish I could convince them to find somewhere else to live.

I feel the same way about those of us who once were exposed to the horror of the false prophetic and/or the dry compromise of the barely concerned or staunchly dead in their religiosity... whatever the current brand of corruption..but can we move back to where we were before what has transpired,when we se it encroaching upon the later congregations to learn of the tempting news concerning all this junk..God moved me out of all those other kinds of churches too. I am willing to be used of God in whatever place I am needed the most..My Father is in control of this..He knows it and so do I.

To safe guard the immature of all ages we must all begin to uphold the divine expressed will of God,through the Lord Jesus Christ in our own surrendered and obediant lives as the only WAY...this ought to be the beginning teachings in any study..in every home and school of teaching God's word.True surrender...let us all pray for this to arise in all of our hearts.He provides the true liberty and graceful outpouring of His own genuine spirit with the walking after Him in devoted and abiding love..seek to walk more perfectly in the AGAPE,love of God and hidden there is the empowerment to carry out His divine will..with true signs and wonders following as promised..living waters flowing in abundance!What can be more wonderful a reward besides Jesus,than having an effective and lasting impact for the highest good of the kingdom on the lives of your fellowman?

sermonindex May 12, 2008

Thanks for the sites. Guided imagery has been lifting it's eyes over the body, an accepted as mainline, for at least 40 years. Yonngi Cho, of
Seoul Korea, built the largest church in the world on it, to international praise from Christian leaders everywhere. He has large "prayer towers", that run 24/7, where similar soaking and visualization is offered. That is how the church is grown.

It is just another face of Vishnu, or Baal. It always come with mixture. A sanitized aberration with Christian-ese lingo.

Inner healing made a run at it also, as it rises up now and then, with the same bondages and spirits. I'm glad for such a site as this, where truth is not undefended.

brothertom

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