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Pastor Hagee Apologizes for Anti-Catholic Remarks (what a sell out!!)

sermonindex May 14, 2008

What a disgusting sell-out John Hagee is. Here is a high profile American preacher willing to sell-out the truth for politics of all things!

Now, you may not agree that Revelation 17 is describing the RCC. Personally I think it is, and it's so descriptive I dont know how anyone can say it isnt... but the point is, John Hagee preached against the Roman Catholic Church (a wretched false religion)... but in the interest of getting his favorite candidate elected he will do a 180 degree turn, and actually apologize for preaching against Rome!

There are plenty of reasons why we should avoid John Hagee... but now he has proven that he will turn his back on what he believes is true... for politics!

Enjoy the article, if you can read it without vomitting... Krispy

[b]Pastor Hagee Apologizes for Anti-Catholic Remarks[/b]
[i]by FOXNews.com
Tuesday, May 13, 2008[/i]

[i]Evangelical leader John Hagee, one of John McCain’s highest-profile supporters from the religious right, has apologized for comments he made that were offensive to Catholics.

In a letter Monday to Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Civil and Religious Rights, Hagee wrote, “I want to express my deep regret for any comments that Catholics have found hurtful.”

Pastor Hagee, leader of San Antonio’s Cornerstone Church, has often made references to “the apostate church” and the “great whore,” terms that Catholics say are slurs aimed at the Roman Catholic Church.

In his letter, Hagee said he now better understands that the Book of Revelation’s reference to the Catholic Church by those two terms are “a rhetorical device long employed in anti-Catholic literature and commentary.”

“Neither of these phrases can be synonymous with the Catholic Church,” he wrote.

Donohue, accepting the apology, said on FOX News Radio: “I’m absolutely delighted … I haven’t seen such a quick turnaround in the 15 years that I have been president of the Catholic League.” He said he plans to meet with Hagee on Thursday.

Likening Hagee to two New York shock jocks who encouraged a pair of listeners to attempt to have sex in St. Patrick’s Cathedral in 2002, Donohue added that he is receptive to honest apologies.

“We’re not in the business of rejecting apologies whether it’s from Opie and Anthony or Pastor Hagee so now when we meet we can understand that this issue is moot and behind us and I think it’s a great moment that we can have some degree of reconciliation.”

Hagee’s endorsement in February had been difficult for McCain, as Democrats, Donohue and others called on the presumptive GOP nominee to reject the pastor’s support.

McCain said Tuesday he didn’t know if the new apology would stifle criticism, but said it was “helpful” and “laudable.”

“I believe the fact that these two individuals came together is a laudable thing and a testimony to both individuals and their principles, which are Judeo-Christian values,” he said, adding that his campaign had nothing to do with brokering the apology.

McCain, who has taken pains to gain the trust of the religious right, has rejected specific statements from Hagee — namely about the Catholic Church and blaming the sinful behavior of New Orleans residents for Hurricane Katrina — but would not denounce the pastor. Hagee apologized for the Katrina statements a couple weeks ago, saying it’s not his place to try to know the mind of God concerning the natural disaster.

Hagee has claimed that his “great whore” remarks were taken out of context, and that he was not directing them at the Roman Catholic Church. A spokesman said via e-mail Tuesday that Hagee “never used this phrase to refer to the Catholic Church.”

Donohue, who in February said that Hagee “has waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church,” said in a statement Tuesday that their feud is now history.

“The tone of Hagee’s letter is sincere. He wants reconciliation and he has achieved it,” Donohue said, adding that Hagee has spent “weeks” meeting with Catholic leaders.

“Indeed, the Catholic League welcomes his apology,” he wrote. “What Hagee has done takes courage and quite frankly I never expected him to demonstrate such sensitivity to our concerns. But he has done just that. Now Catholics, along with Jews, can work with Pastor Hagee in making interfaith relations stronger than ever. Whatever problems we had before are now history. This case is closed.”

Hagee is firmly pro-Israel and has praised McCain for sharing his values to that end. But he has condemned Catholics for what he sees as efforts to persecute Jews. In his 2006 book “Jerusalem Countdown,” Hagee wrote that history proves Adolf Hitler and the Catholic Church were linked “in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.”

In his letter to Donohue, Hagee indicated he no longer believes in such historical links.

“In my zeal to oppose anti-Semitism and bigotry in all its ugly forms, I have often emphasized the darkest chapters in the history of Catholic and Protestant relations with the Jews,” he wrote. “In the process, I may have contributed to the mistaken impression that the anti-Jewish violence of the Crusades and the Inquisition defines the Catholic Church. It most certainly does not. Likewise, I have not sufficiently expressed my deep appreciation for the efforts of Catholics who opposed the persecution of the Jewish people.”

Reacting to the letter, the Democratic National Committee again called on McCain to renounce Hagee’s endorsement Tuesday.

But McCain gave no sign of doing so. His campaign also rejects any attempts to draw comparisons between Hagee’s controversial remarks and those of Barack Obama’s former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

Donohue told FOX News Radio that both McCain and Obama “have both gotten some bad advice on how to handle certain people who are close to them.”

But he said “I don’t really have a stink with McCain per se.”

FOX News’ Shushannah Walshe and Mike Majchrowitz and The Associated Press contributed to this report.[/i]

sermonindex May 14, 2008

By the way... this thread will [b]NOT[/b] become a discussion about the candidates who are running for president. This is about John Hagee selling out for politics. Please help me not let this get into a discussion about McCain, Clinton or Obama.

Thanx...

Krispy

sermonindex May 14, 2008

I need more coffee... duplicate post...sorry!

Krispy

sermonindex May 14, 2008

By the way... Hagee has also apologized for this statement too:

[i]All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are — were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing.[/i]

Why would a so-called "Man of God" apologize for saying that?? I have no problem standing up and saying that, and I wont apologize to anyone for it... it's [b]truth[/b]!

Preachers are NOT called to influence elections, they are called to preach the truth. Getting in bed with politicians is simply stupid and foolish.

American Christians [b]should[/b] vote as part of their civic duty. I'm absolutely all for voting and being informed, and involved to a certain extent... but what Hagee is doing is simply rediculous.

Anything that comes out of his mouth at this point is simply not to be trusted.

Krispy

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enid May 14, 2008

Well, I didn't vomit, because Hagee's theology has always been questionable. Plus he has expressed anti-Jewish views in books he has written.

There is a lot of apostasy going on right now, it is so rampant you hardly blink an eyelid, even though we should be worried, alarmed and such like.

All this turning around back to Rome that seems to be going on in the name of 'unity' is so unreal.

God wants His people to be seperate, holy.

God help us to be so.

God bless.

sermonindex May 14, 2008

What we need more than ever is men of God who are not afraid to preach the Word of God without apology... and preach it hard.

If you look at the revivals of the past, they didnt happen by getting all friendly with the world... and being spineless. God used men who took a strong stand against sin... personal sin and national sin... and proclaimed the judgement of God.

I too have trouble with Hagee's doctrinal positions, and was amazed at how wrong his latest book is on just about everything... but he had always had it right on the money when it came to the Roman Catholic Church... and then for him to recant? Amazing.

He says the RCC isnt an apostate church? Now he wants to join hands with Rome? Well... birds of a feather flock together.

The real lesson here for pastors is: Dont go around endorsing political candidates! It's one thing to preach on issues like abortion, etc... but stay out of the political bedroom when it comes to endorsing people. If you're properly teaching the Word of God, and you're listeners are growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ... God will guide them in their voting. We dont need to be told who to vote for.

That is a pathway wrought with peril!!

Krispy

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KrispyKrittr wrote:
What a disgusting sell-out John Hagee is. Here is a high profile American preacher willing to sell-out the truth for politics of all things!

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I believe John Hagee has the some of the same problems that many Christians have, including myself.
John 12:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
KJV

Is this verse talking about physically dead? Eventually yes when we are glorified, but no, now it is actually referring dying to our wants and desires that conflict with that of Christ's desires for our life and US dying to our own and them falling to the ground.

Hagee is trying to prevent something that he doesn't want to see happen, nor any true born again Christian will want to see happen. Hagee is well aware that it is very possible in the near future to become so antichrist in America, that the police will come physically remove Hagee and other preachers from their pulpits and take him them to jail and lock him up for preaching the simple gospel, setting aside all that other stuff he throws in. It is already happening in other countries. Hagee is trying to prevent this event in his own strength. Of course that opens up the thought of, do we use the things given us in our own strength to preserve the status quo of freedom of worship in America? I won't answer that to grant the wishes on politics but I will say, No I don't agree with Hagee going against what he really believes to be truth or apologizing for something that he still believes to be truth and no I don't agree with some of Hagees theology.
Thanks for posted Krispy I had not heard about this.

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Have you read the articles concerning Ravi Zacharias during NDP, refusing not to pray in Jesus name?

[url=http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=649]www.sliceoflaodicea.com[/url]

[url=http://www.ndptf.org/story/Index.cfm?Entity=9&Department=9&Dept_Order=1&This_TopicOrder=19&This_SubtopicOrder=2#5]Read the prayer here.[/url]

Someone mentioned the current apostasy that is going on in the world right now. Here we have a leader that has been very much influential in Christianity--his whole ministry is to defend the gospel. Its just another example to us all how many will bend their knew to being politically correct. We must first get it out of our mind that we are not a "Christian nation". If we can get that deception out of our minds like so many Christians have; we might be able to accomplish great things for God.

Edit: what I meant is so many people think we are a Christian nation. we are not a Christian nation. My thoughts go faster than my typing I think!!

sermonindex May 14, 2008

What a disgusting sell-out John Hagee is. Here is a high profile American preacher willing to sell-out the truth for politics of all things!

Don't hold back...tell us how you really feel!! :-P :-) :lol:

sermonindex May 14, 2008

Have you read the articles concerning Ravi Zacharias during NDP, refusing not to pray in Jesus name?

I think you mean he refused [b]to[/b] pray in Jesus name... thats what the link is about.

He's a sell-out too.

If you feel like you need to not mention Jesus' name, then perhaps that should be a sign that you ought not to be involved in that organization.

There are approximately 171,000 martyrs killed [b]each year[/b] because of their faith in Jesus... and Ravi is afraid of offending someone? Give me a break.

The Evangelical leadership in America is becoming more and more [b]pathetic[/b] with each passing day.

Krispy

PS: I'm feeling very fired up about this today.

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enid May 14, 2008

I had read about Ravi Zacharias on Slice and the NDP, and was going to mention it on this thread, but I thought, one thing at a time.

It is a sad demise in Christianity that we are witnessing.

We should rather be witnessing for Jesus, not against Him.

As for prison, it should be expected, even if it is unwelcomed. Who wants to go?

Even if the Bible was written by murderers, jail birds, adulterers, polygamist, naked prophets, crying prophets, you know what, we would be in great company!

But prison has its own price, are we willing to pay it if necessary?

God bless.

E
enid May 14, 2008

Krispy,

You always seem fired up about everything!

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KrispyKrittr wrote:
What we need more than ever is men of God who are not afraid to preach the Word of God without apology... and preach it hard.

God will guide them in their voting. We dont need to be told who to vote for.

That is a pathway wrought with peril!!

Krispy

Amen on you shouldn't have tell them.
I think this fact may contribute to the statement I believe to be truth, "that many leaders have made.
There WON'T be near as many people in heaven as they once believed would be there when I get there.

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S: I'm feeling very fired up about this today.

Isn't that what Monday's are for!!

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You always seem fired up about everything!

There are a few things I'm [b]not[/b] fired up about... such as:

Kittens
Cats
Soccer
Hippies
Rap music
Plymouth K-cars (anyone remember those?)
Vegetarians
Snow
Michael Bolton
Tuna Caserol
Liver
Opera Music
Taco Bell
Michael Jackson
American Idol

... and there are more!

So see, I'm actually not fired up about [i]everything[/i]... 8-)

Krispy

sermonindex May 14, 2008

Kittens-cute.
Cats-Have one...do you want it?
Soccer-love it
Hippies-yep
Rap music-what did they just say.
Plymouth K-cars (anyone remember those?)
Vegetarians-can't stand it!
Snow-miss it!
Michael Bolton-who is that...teasing!
Tuna Caserol-love it!
Liver-hate it!
Opera Music-deends, Andre Bocelli
Taco Bell-That's not real meat.
Michael Jackson-no comment.

B
brodav9 May 14, 2008

Hagee must be wanting more money. In Matt. 4: the invitation to Jesus to bow down and worship him, and he would give Jesus the kingdoms of this world. This is a big issue in this time. especially when most preach about prosperity and at the same time call Jesus a sinner who had to be born again. Hagee is selling 1,000s of his book Jesus is not the Messiah. Messiah is Hebrew and Christ is Greek and it means anointed. Jesus received his anointing when he was baptised by John and the Holy Spirit descended upon him. also the father said from heaven this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. If he was a sinner he wouldn't be pleased. truly the love of money is the root of all evil. pray for Hagee that he will repent. If all ministers were to sow love they would reap more love from God and not have to use gimmicks to get money.

sermonindex May 15, 2008

No... I really dont think money is the issue here. I think whats going on is Hagee truly wants to keep a certain party, and certain policies, and certain ideoogies out of the White House. Well, guess what... so do I.

The difference between Hagee and I is that he is willing to abandon what he believes in order to acheive that. I'm not.

And when Hagee, or anyone else, compromises truth for expediency what they are revealing is their lack of faith in God. When we stand for truth, God works. When we compromise His truth the results are never good.

Many a high profile pastor has sold his soul in the name of politics. Even Billy Graham came pretty close to getting burned during the Watergate episode back in the early 70's w/ Nixon. Now, Billy did nothing wrong, but being as close as he was to President Nixon almost tainted his reputation. When it first hit the media he began to defend Nixon until it became obvious that Nixon lied... he was, in fact, a crook! Billy has always met with Presidents, but never again did he allow himself to be so closely associated with one.

Hagee... he seems ready to apologize to anyone and everyone for everything he's ever preached in order to see McCain elected. I'm an ultra-conservative... I dont like any of our candidates, least of all the ones Hagee wants to keep out. But I refuse to deny the truth and bow down to the world in order to acheive the goal of winning an election. No way... I trust God. I'll stick with Him.

He's in control, amen?

Krispy

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KrispyKrittr wrote:
No... I really dont think money is the issue here. I think whats going on is Hagee truly wants to keep a certain party, and certain policies, and certain ideoogies out of the White House. Well, guess what... so do I.

The difference between Hagee and I is that he is willing to abandon what he believes in order to acheive that. I'm not.

And when Hagee, or anyone else, compromises truth for expediency what they are revealing is their lack of faith in God. When we stand for truth, God works. When we compromise His truth the results are never good.

Many a high profile pastor has sold his soul in the name of politics. Even Billy Graham came pretty close to getting burned during the Watergate episode back in the early 70's w/ Nixon. Now, Billy did nothing wrong, but being as close as he was to President Nixon almost tainted his reputation. When it first hit the media he began to defend Nixon until it became obvious that Nixon lied... he was, in fact, a crook! Billy has always met with Presidents, but never again did he allow himself to be so closely associated with one.

Hagee... he seems ready to apologize to anyone and everyone for everything he's ever preached in order to see McCain elected. I'm an ultra-conservative... I dont like any of our candidates, least of all the ones Hagee wants to keep out. But I refuse to deny the truth and bow down to the world in order to acheive the goal of winning an election. No way... I trust God. I'll stick with Him.

He's in control, amen?

Krispy


He's in control, amen?
Amen, We would all do well not to compromise our beliefs in truth. We have plenty of examples in the Old Testament of what is the right choice in these situations and what is the wrong one.

When it comes to the right choice (God's Will) one can throw out human reasoning. When you get right down to the (nitty gritty, "redneck term") failure of so many Americans to do God's will, is exactly why Hagee and many others are faced with the temptation of compromising and lying in order to preserve liberty. So many Christians have bought into the lie that it don't really matter whether my leader is a Christian and honors God or not as long as they can run the country. Well I got news for them, you need God to run anything. Anything we make an endeavor in, the first thing you need on board is God's blessing, if not it will fail.

So many people think this is a separate issue altogether from their relationship with the Lord. Have they not read the Old Testament examples given us in his Word or either they think those examples are for entertainment on Sunday mornings in class.

I know some are reading this and are saying, does Moe not know we are in the New Covenant now and under grace. Yea, what the law could not do, grace did so much more. If God didn't expect us to learn from those Old Testament truths, he would have destroyed them and throw them out when he inspired the writers to write the New Testament. They go together hand in hand and fit like glove.

Everyone is talking about revival. If we were to see real revival in America, that stinking thinking I mentioned above about our relationship with the Lord and selecting leaders would be quiet different than is it for most now. Oh Lord revive us again.
Thanks Krispy for your truth.
Moe

sermonindex May 15, 2008

Krispy: I am sorry to say that these actions by Hagee do not surprise me. The problem is that the fellow is so high profile, and that as an orator, he is as powerful as you can get, and funny! He also, now and then, mixes his political persuasions with a fiery Gospel message honoring Jesus' sacrifice, the Blood and resurrection, that is wonderful to behold.

He has a doctrine, it seems, that [b]unsaved and unregenerate[/b] Jews are indeed a part of Heaven's company, and receives them as brethren publicly, and honors them with great respect and financial gifts. This is a sin against them and the gospel, for they are comforted in there wickedness, and the truth of their coming perdition for rejecting their Messiah. He influences possibly millions also, that become warped, likewise.

He is so adamant about pre-tribulation rapture, that he preaches that the American economy will only fall, as the Christians disappear instantly in this secret affair.[no arguments please on this one] This seems to be associated with his ideas that no suffering will ever come to "Christian" America. He does not teach preparation in Faith, for the end times, for in his thinking, there is no need too.

A logical end to this thinking, would be that the END would justify the means. He has taught about the wickedness of Papal Rome as an equivocalness to Satan himself all of his ministry. In his mind, though, the expediency here hasn't to do with truth as much as his faith in the RNC, as opposed to evil in the RCC.[republican national convention RNC] [roman catholic church RCC].

The morality, economic conservatism, and allegiance to Israel in McCain and the RNC, as opposed to the Socialists anti Israel politics of the far LEFT, have overwhelmed the man. He's lost it, but he doesn't care. All for America and Israel! That's his gospel formed from his own form of "Christian" Nationalism that trumps his former ideas about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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