Oh, how the mighty have fallen! The terrible fall of Paul Cain.

When Jimmy Swaggart sinned, and then covered himself, and refused discipline from his overseer's, many gloated at his fall. Paul Cain did not, but wept, quoting David's lament over Jonathon and Saul, his father, and David's mortal enemy. "[b]Oh, how the mighty have fallen[/b]!"

David manifested God's heart for a prodigal son. Today, I am likewise melancholy. I received recent, confirmed, eyewitness reports that Paul Cain has endorsed Lakeland, and Todd bentley, as the great revival prophesied. Todd Bentley, evidently, as the Elijah or equivalent to bring it. Paul laid hands on him, "passing a mantle", on stage at Lakeland, a few days ago.

While on stage and while speaking, he stated that he has been celibate for many years, having a gift of celibacy, and that there were many "allegations" about him, being passed around.

A few years ago, Paul confessed to homosexual sin, and was also caught red handed soliciting for sex, at Kansas city IHOP. This is well documented, and confirmed by the board of supervisors assigned to him to restore him. [Mike Bickle, Jack Deere, Rick Joyner and another]

I, until this very day, have been interceding for my brother, Paul Cain. It will cease today, as he has willfully given himself over to the enemy and the lie.

This has evolved from denial, into the psychotic and delusional realm, where the forked tongue rules and reigns. He may have believed, that his endorsement of Bentley would trigger an automatic purge of his "indiscretions", and thrust him back in the Lime-light, absolved. After all, he is the one who foresaw this awesome end-time revival of miracles and healing; over 100 times, in technicolor. It was his most vocal foundation in his prophetic ministry.

He probably never guessed that after the moment Todd received "THE ENDORSEMENT", of the "greatest living prophet", it would be all over. He is no longer allowed on the same stage, or probably , as I see the tide, on any stage with this "movement." Todd washed his hands of Cain, as Paul's own deluded desire to be in ministry at any cost, got the best of him. Hereby, the "celibate' comments , with "allegations" of course.

I have been loyal to Paul Cain until today. Anyone who says that he was always convoluted, has not been under his ministry when it WAS anointed by Jesus. Holiness, and Salvation....real healings and miraculous signs, and Words of knowledge reflecting secrets that only the holy Spirit would know or reveal.

Amazing power! brokenness and life.

"The gifts and callings of God are without repentance."...maybe there is the answer. I'm not sure. Maybe he was given over, somewhere along the way. He was so elite, that bodyguards surrounded his exit, at times. Maybe the pressure got to him, and he somehow believes that it never happened, and his delusional defenses have overridden reality......"They are out to get me...." kind of thing. I do not know. I do know that a true mighty man of God has fallen, and alas, I cannot help him.

How the mighty have fallen.

This is not about bringing up sin, to condemn, but the issue is about deception, that will minister sin, to multitudes, inside of the church.

Can you see the difference? I have covered my brother with intercession for decades. Have you? I have personally reproved him. have you? I have loved him, as a father. Have you?

Even if you answer no, to all of these, you still have the right and command to judge another brother by their fruit, and , you like myself have the right to our opinion.

When a brother, or a sister, drifts over into the realm of the Wolf, endorsing the dark , as the light, then the Christian has the responsibility to warn, and sound the alarm, whether old sin is an issue or not.

Paul himself brought the issue up, PUBLICALLY, not me. He lied, I believe to deceive, so that his ministry would be received. He also blessed and endorsed a demonic revival, that will ultimately do great harm to the body of Christ, and probably for his own gain.[as I spoke of in my original ]

I do not want to sound condescending here, but"God knows the ultimate end of man, and we do not??"

"Let's leave Paul in God's hands, and not our own!"

The wolf must be identified, even in sheep's clothing! The wolf must be driven out, [b]or[/b] it will eat, and devour the flock.

You cannot be this naive to the commission given to Pastor's, can you? Read Acts 20....Grievous wolves shall come in, after my departure, [b]not sparing the flock[/b], drawing away disciples after themselves.

I trust in the blood of Jesus, and any sin disappears and is forgotten for any saint who trusts in it, and forsakes their sin. It is the anchor of Mercy that is the rock of my faith. I forgive and forget, but no liar has an inheritance in His kingdom. To lie, to deceive is a sin against the body of Christ. This is that, and I will now sound an alarm, rather than a cry to restore my brother unto ministry.

Mattie... if Paul Cain repented and stepped down from public ministry permanently, then I would agree with you. It should not be brought up again.

However, as I understand it, Paul Cain is making inroads back into the ministry. Problem is scripturally he has disqualified himself from the ministry.

Since Paul Cain is scripturally disqualified from ministry... then discussing WHY he is disqualified is extremely relevant when we see him back in public ministry.

And these IHOP people have a long history of sexually perverted issues. Bob Jones is another one... used his so-called "prophetic gifting" to sexually exploit women... got caught... couple months off... back in the ministry.

This ought not to be!

But hey... a homosexual giving his blessing on the Lakeland "revival"... I cant add anymore to that! I think that says it all.

Krispy

First of all, this nine month old letter, from an outside source, deals with their ministry's assessment of a clean bill of health for Paul Cain. This, I may add, was after Paul was caught in a relapse situation, at IHOP K.C., and then soon rejected the original overseers who confronted his lack of compliance to restore him. All along, this group's stated desire was to restore Paul, and see him healed and brought back into his wonderful gifting, [b]in holiness. [/b]

Recently, a law suit was threatened on Paul's behalf, that basically demanded that his original friends and restorative board back off entirely, of any critical statements concerning his restoration, or lack of it. the gist of it was, that Paul had to make a living, and they had no business interfering.

This letter may represent those very same people who covered him them. It sounds like it.

Only God can put you into true ministry, and only God can take you out. Notice the word TRUE here.

1]. The issue is not about homosexuality, or sin of any kind. Paul, essentially lied, to deceive, about his lifelong character, probably knowing that many may not receive him unless they believed so. He did this saying that he has led a Chaste life for several years. He did this publicly, on a National stage.

2].He stated that there were "allegations" about him, that folks may have heard of. This, in effect, is bringing his restorers into the category of accusers, and liars, while propagating the myth that there was never any sin or corruption in the first place. He has been as pure as the driven snow, and is indeed seated in ministry. IE, these allegations are but persecution. He did this for his own gain, at the expense of his many friends, and regrettably. to the body of Christ.

3] In the process of all of the above, he endorsed a wolf, a ,deceiver, a false prophet, as being the carrier of true revival. He anointed this person, Todd Bentley, by the laying on of hands, using terms with Elijah's name involved, on a national stage, using the force of his otherwise prominent reputation as a world wide prophetic voice.

The issue is not a sin issue. The issue is not a sin issue. It is deeper, and much more profound at this point. It is about participating and endorsing apostasy, all for ministerial gain. See Baalim.

I have found myself praying, asking the Lord to show mercy to Paul Cain, to forgive him, and not to hold his sins against him. I believe this is God's heart. Some, the bible says will have their works burnt up, but never the less, they themselves would be saved.

Manasseh was the most wicked, murderous, Satanic king ever in Israel's history, without doubt. It appears that repentance was granted him, and that he was granted salvation.

I am not comparing Paul Cain to him. No man, including myself, will enter into Heaven's gate, without receiving mercy. That cleansing is directly related to the blood of Jesus.

I watched an interview with Jeffery Dahlmer a few years ago, conducted by James Dobson, in prison. Jeffery Dahlmer was a sodomite cannibal, who drugged his victims, and ritualistically ate them. There were about seventeen boys and young men who lost their lives in this shocking episode. They were all homosexuals.

Dahlmer was caught, and went to prison. While there, someone preached Jesus to him, and he was saved, in a real and dynamic way. He then requested Dobson to interview him, as he wanted to leave a testimony of god's Grace in his life. To Dobson's credit, he complied.

The interview shows a stable and glowing young man, filled with love and faith, answering tough questions about his horrific crimes, and past life. Jesus is honored throughout.

Shortly after the interview, Jeffery Dahlmer was murdered by another inmate.[circa 1995]

God's views are so different than ours. Some, it seems, are cut off and turned over to terrible and swift judgement, while others, like Manassah, and Dahlmer, are given extreme mercies.

One of my favorite scriptures is, "It is not he who runs, nor he who wills, but it is God who shows mercy."

I am praying for his life, and eternal life. This is different, and more important than praying for his restoration, and restoration to ministry.

I do know my own propensity to depravity. Without the grace of God, I am another Manassah or Nero. This makes me fear.

Never the less, when any brother drifts into the realms of deception, no matter his status or history, my loyalty to him is instantly trumped by my loyalty to the truth, and my Lord, Jesus.

Read about Paul the Apostle's fellow ministers that betrayed him, and the Apostle John's.[Diotrophes] Deception must be uncovered and expelled, to protect the flock.

Brother, I don't have to have a "watchdog ministry" to "name names", when error and deceivers arise, I just need the love of God so that those I do love are not destroyed by the liar.[or the lie.]

Without being specific in warning, how is one to know exactly what is poison, or is not? We teach our children in very specific details on events and people[ or at least we should, if we love them] so that they will not be hurt or taken in.

And no, it is [b]NOT[/b] the media's obligation to mark those who bring heresies among the church, but the holy brothers and sisters and shepherds who understand that there is death afoot, and it must be absolutely identified and specifically avoided, at any cost.

Remember Cain's reply to the Lord, upon inquiry as to his murdered brother's whereabouts. "Am I my brother's keeper?" I am sorry if you cannot see this, but the rhetorical question the Lord imposed upon Cain was delivered not because he did not know of Abel's murder, but to expose the black assassin inside of Cain.

If we love our brother, as to the commandment, then we surely do not want him destroyed, do we? Should we warn in unspecific terms, or kind of hint a bit?" Well, this deceiver is six foot one, and has tattoos from head to toe, oh yeah, he has an IMP, about 20 inches high tattooed on his leg, and he may converse with female demons who look like fairies, and he lies, and enjoys loves dark, hellish music......but I can't tell you who.....you might want to watch it now.."

We are admonished to "keep" or brother, to be his or her shepherd. The Deacon's and Elders are commanded to watch over the flock with greater responsibility, as they care for Souls, to protect them, and this is always direct and specific. If the shepherds do not, they are judged by a higher standard, with more severity.

Your attitude is naive to suggest that it should work out on it's own, or that we should wait for Apostolic authority to name names. How long should we wait? Will you give me the number of a qualified modern day apostle please? He will surely identify all of the wolves for me.

To be honest, most of the rest of your post seemed contradictory...a yes name and do not name, all in one sentence. Loving is also protecting, and that must be done in sobriety and clarity, for in the long run, lives are at stake.

Brothertom, you are Christ-like in all your behavior from what I have seen in all of your posts. You speak truth and I have little doubt that you grieved over Cain's fall from grace and have most likely interceded with prayers in a more fervent manner than his 'busy colleagues' who have entrusted an International Team of apparent 'spiritual surgeons' while off chasing territorial spirits (Chuck Pierce) and endorsing a deceptive and false movement. Mike Bickle confessed that he enabled Bob Jones during his sinful indiscretions back in the early 90's when Mr. Jones used his status as a man of God to manipulate women into disrobing in front of him, which is a more grievous offense given that he used his status inappropriately to engage in the sin. Mr. Bickle admitted to promoting Bob Jones in error. Now we see Bob Jones back in ministry anointing Bentley by taking hold of his hand and evidently taking him to the 3rd heaven. This restoration process sounds more and more like the Roman Catholic method of 'hide the offender' and re-release after 'The Church' has deemed them 'healed', 'cured', or simply completing the 'necessary requirements'. A panel of high profile pastors did a test on Ted Haggard and determined that 'he is not a homosexual'. I got news for these 'anointed ones'. At the very moment Haggard was engaging in the conduct of homosexuality he was a homosexual. This 'Church induced face saving technique' of splitting hairs with sin is in itself, sinful. Subsequently, Haggard has been asking for money to put he and his wife through school because they are both pursuing a degree in psychology. What's my point? My point is that these ‘restoration’ tests and processes are developed more out of man's wisdom than God's power. Jesus said that those 'who hunger and thirst for righteousness WILL BE FILLED'. I don't think these teams of spiritual clinicians were around when He made this promise. Nor were they around when Jacob wrestled with God all night before he was changed from a sup planter and swindler into a man of God. And before I'm called into question about 'judging others' let me say that I have judged no one, I've simply made some observations. I’ve been judged more harshly for simply speaking against this false movement than I’ve ever judged anyone for a besetting sin or stronghold. If Cain and Haggard sincerely repent and are filled again with righteousness that comes for God then I am all for it. But both men have seemingly engaged in trying to figure out a sin problem through extra-biblical means that combines God with secular psychology. If the lawsuit allegation is true concerning Cain then to me this is tantamount to blackmail, not a right to earn a living. This does not appear to be conduct of someone who has the life of God within him…no this is the kind of stuff we see from politicians….act as if you’ve been victimized by the very consequences which stem from your own wrongdoing. And how arrogant is it for someone who has fallen as Cain has to assume that they still have this ‘anointed mantle’ to pass along to anyone else, let alone the authority to give it? I find this ridiculousness to be highly inappropriate and disturbing

But ponder this: Suppose the Pope came out with a ‘prophetic vision’ from Rome stating that the angel “Emma” (who Bentley and Jones refer to often) was actually the Virgin Mary and will soon make a prophetic calling for deliverance and encourages all denominations to come together in unity under the Roman Catholic church. Would the Latter Rain Prophets sanction this? If not, how might they dispute it? By challenging the prophecy on a Scriptural basis? Well as we all know there is no ‘angel Emma’ in the Bible, nor are there descriptions of being transported into heaven through a ‘portal’ in the form of a pillar of fire to be operated on in ‘beings in white coats’ as they take your organs and sow into you ‘truth’…as this man Bentley has claimed to have been….the same man Cain has appeared to have allied himself with by ‘passing the mantle’.

Brothers, let us reason here. I mean who needs the Word of God if the truth can be sown into us by obscure heavenly beings in white coats? Does this sound like God? Does this take the form of a patient/intimate relationship that the Lord developed over those He used mightily in Scripture when Moses, David, Joseph and the like spent all that time in the wilderness (yes, I would call prison ‘wilderness’ in Joseph’s case)? Yes the Apostle Paul did take a trip to the 3rd heaven but not by anyone else and after he paid many dues to the Father. Look at the passage closely, after he describes it Paul goes into much detail to put the experience in perspective so as not to boast in himself. Do we see this kind of humility? Or do we see one story after another about ‘my experience’?

As far as naming names, I respect our Brother’s position. However, Paul himself did this: 2 Timothy 4:14 “Alexander the metalworker did me a great deal of harm. The Lord will repay him for what he has done”.

I personally have a family member who is currently deceived by this blatant absurdity and I don’t want it to happen to anyone else so if I have to name names, I’LL NAME NAMES. No offense to you personally brother. O’Lord please bring your deceived out of their spiritual slumber…have mercy on us all!!!

Thank you for your insights. I think there is no other reasonable course for a true brother or sister, than to clearly express our concern if we see disaster coming. We are obligated out of love to name and reveal that coming disaster.

I want to make a confession here, of a sin that held me, that you reminded me of. I held Paul Cain in such a high esteem, that it was akin to idolatry, surpassing the mandates of scriptural honor given to the brothers and sisters in Christ's body.

I, subconsciously, equated this amazing gifting in my brother, with Christ himself. I do not mean I believed Paul Cain was Divine, but I associated the anointing in him, with the gifting, as sacred, and as it seemed at times as he would prophesy, God himself would be talking through him. I had set Paul on a pedestal. I would not have admitted it, but now I see it.

Remember Paul the apostles response when churchmembers began to break off, each following his or her's favorite leader."Is Christ divided?, Was Paul crucified for you? Who is Appolos, or for that matter, me??? [b]NOTHING![/b]

The ministry model for the "anointing", and for the prophetic movement has always been a separate and elitist doctrine,[always acted upon, never preached.] They would never, nor will never, just "be a brother[or sister].

They will not participate in fellowship, nor in relationships with the least of the brothers. To them, it is beneath their sacred calling. The entire prophetic movement was, and is steeped in this professional and elitist identity, even as I speak.

The effect is, that the Prophet himself becomes cut off from the very grace he needs to survive, [b]AS[/b] a brother, because life and protection flow within the body, [b]AS[/b] each joint and ligament supplies. This applies to the pastoral ministry also, which is why you see so much perversion and immaturity in their ranks today. They have cut themselves off from graces that they need to survive, by their own self imposed elitism, or professionalism.

Paul Cain had bodyguards. He was so far above the common brother or sister in relationship, that he looked on high down to the clouds. It wasn't all his fault. I am partly to blame. I had my head in the clouds holding him higher. I am repenting, the hard way.[Is there any other?]

Brothertom,

It is easy to get caught up in following a man (men) instead of God. I listen to sermons more than spending time with God at times. The enemy opposes relationship with God which is why fellowship with others is a little easier. I got caught up a little in the word-faith thing awhile back and although I repented of that like you have, God works it out for the good as He promises. We are more discerning than we used to be because of our errors. Thanks for your post Brother.

I am not speaking for Krispy , or for anyone but myself here.

IHOP, and Mike Bickle especially, have as much Godly integrity as anyone I have ever known, or heard of, in the body of Christ. To bundle them with people that that have committed sin, or that have fell into deception, that were at one time associated with Kansas city Fellowship, or IHOP, is just wrong, and absurd.

It could be akin to Peter being blamed for being a liar, and greedy, for the sin of Ananias and Sapphira, after they dropped dead, because they were part of the same church...It would be like the Apostle Paul being blamed for the wicked acts of the Pastors that he exposed in Acts 20, and warned the future church of, "Well, they went to Paul's church at Ephesus!"

Of course, it is absurd. In the 80s and 90s, Kansas City fellowship, which became Metro Vineyard, hosted hundreds of thousands visitors, with thousands flocking world wide, to join up with the prophetic movement there. Bob Jones and Paul Cain, being prophets, also came, and despite the apparent and current deception that both of them concur with today, they were a great blessing to all, then, and somewhat foundational in that church, and received worldwide.[generally]

Paul Cain received the ihop vision, in a unique prophetic encounter with the Lord. [ihope], with evangelism coming.

Both Bob Jones and Paul Cain fell into sin. Both were publicly subjected to a Godly course of restoration by their peers; a board of mature elders. Both eventually rejected that process, and went their own way. How then can anyone accuse the church of participation, or endorsing their corruption? In fact, the exact opposite course was taken to restore the fallen unto a return to holiness and ministry.

I hope that when you refer to "a forum like this bashing others", that you likewise would not generalize that this forum is focused on destroying those that we might disagree with, or criticizing others to aggrandize our selves.

There is a wave of deception sweeping the world at the present, and exposing it for what it is must also include exposing the individuals perpetuating it, in light of the Word of God, and the agreement of biblical discernment by the Spirit of God. [The word and the Spirit agree].

The Lord Jesus's ministry was filled with warnings about individuals and movements. John the Babtist, Peter, Paul, and Jude, to name a few, spent much of their time doing so, so that the church would not be mixed with deception, sin, and death. That is what this current discussion is really about.

If you are going to engage in public ministry, you must be able to accept a public examination as to the Christian fruit, and doctrine of your ministry. It is the Body's duty to do so, other wise Satan would get a free lunch, everyday. [sadly, often he does.] [b]This is that.[/b]

I might add, "blessed are the unoffended", and if you believe in hidden intercession, please forgive us for offending you, and please pray and cry out for God to purify me more and my friends on this forum...thanks..