Saints,
this is important to watch:
[b]David Wilkerson On Weird Manifestations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrpW6Xctg8Q
May we keep the word of God and honor the word of God with our lifes. A great deception is happening in the name of Christ. God have mercy. Send us prophets.
one could easily conclude from that video that any joy of anykind is forbidden by the Holy Spirit.
I would remind you that the joy of the Lord is our strength
Romans 14:17
17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
1 thes 1;
6And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
1peter 1;
8Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory
Wilkerson's comment is unscriptural.
A multitude of scripture backs up laughter with the Holy Spirit.
Tell me,If god spoke to a believer through a donkey does it prevent him from speaking through a zebra?
David
Greg thanks for posting this. David wilkerson is a great man of God. He has a burden for this lost. May God give us all this passion for the lost.
Hi David.....quite sad for you to say that David Wilkersons comments were unscriptural. That is your opinion of course. My own opinion is that people who associate joy, the joy of the Lord with laughter, simply do not have an understanding of what Joy is or have never "felt," true Biblical joy. I have met countless people, perhaps every human being, who has experienced laughter, I have met precious few who have experienced the true Joy of God.
As for a multitude of Scriptures for Laughter, there are ten in the whole of the Bible, and none in the New Testement. If you do a search on "laugh," you will find 16 references in the Scriptures, two in the NT. I think that you will find it interesting to study what the Scriptures do say about laughter..............Frank
one could easily conclude from that video that any joy of anykind is forbidden by the Holy Spirit.
Joy is the deep, underlying constant, the earnest bedrock put in a believer by God that pervades the inner man despite trials, prison, persecution, death. The influence of joy is such that it transcends superficial emotional outbursts. What you see at these Holy Ghost laughing ralies is not the joy of the Lord; it is a manifestation that is very often manipulated by the preacher and/or music. It is subject to outer stimuli and within the confines of the soul.
Wilkerson's comment is unscriptural.
By the way, welcome back! :-)
O that we might weep along with our brother, for sake of the Heart of the King.
I am reminded of Pauls exortation against those who are the "enemies of the Cross" and Paul said "I tell you know even weeping".
O that our God might deal a death blow to Macbethian Christianity. That which is full of sound and furry signifying nothing.
Our call is to signify something to the world that is of utmost importance and significance. We should signify that the end of all things are at hand and our lives should give evidense that Truth.
Im amazed at so many believers who long for prophetic words and new revelation when many of them are not doing the things that are plainly laid out in the Apostolic scriptures such as "Take up your Cross and follow";"Die daily".
God please have mercy on me and your church.
Thanks for posting.
Perhaps my comments will be irrelevant due to the fact that I am unable to view the video. (Unfortunately, at the moment, I am confined to dial-up...) However, I have heard David Wilkerson comment on the "holy laughter" phenomena in the past.
Do not get me wrong, I LOVE the ministry of David Wilkerson. Many of his messages have crushed me before the Lord, leaving me wanting nothing more than Jesus and Jesus only. The message "A Call to Anguish" in particular, had a great impact on me. I would encourage all to check that sermon out.
I first heard David Wilkerson come against "holy laughter" a few years back and must admit that I sided with him. I began to preach something very similar with similar passion. I even taught these things to my congregation. However, the Lord took me through a lengthy process in which many of my formerely held, "hard-nosed" opinions were melted by a revelation of God's love and tenderness. Certainly I retain a revelation of his wrath, holiness and greatness, however this is but one side of the doctrinal "coin". Paul admonished the Romans to consider both "the kindness and the severity of God...". One without the other will cause an individual to be unbalanced and either overly harsh and critical, or overly passive and easy on sin.
When I had only a revelation of God's wrath and holiness, a manifestation of the Spirit such as laughter seemed absurd and irreverent. The only types of manifestations that seemed to have any validity to me were ones involving groaning, moaning, wailing and tears. I had experienced this and still do. Certainly we do read much of this type of manifestation in scripture and in church history. We read of the powerful and overwhelming conviction of the Holy Spirit that would sweep over congregations and cities in revival's of old. We read of tears, groaning and broken-hearted yearnings after salvation that would follow the preaching of men like Edwards, Finney, Duncan Campbell, etc...
Certainly such dramatic displays of emotion are not the norm in everyday life. You may weep or cry softly at some point in your day as you meditate upon the power of the cross or the person of Jesus Christ. However, the dramatic and animated wailing and groaning of true repentance is native only to the land of revival and true Holy Spirit visitation. An emotion that is experienced on a much smaller scale in day - to - day life is greatly "exagerated" (I don't mean that in the negative...) amplified, and intensified in an atmosphere of revival. Why is this? Because in times of revival the presence of God is peculiarly and frighteningly strong and human emotions are typically given full vent in response to the heightened awareness of God and His attributes.
My question then is this: Have you ever simply bubbled over with joy at some point in your day as you meditated on the power of salvation? the salvation of your soul from the dominion of darkness? upon hearing a wonderful testimony of deliverance or salvation? Have you ever laughed or cried out to God with joy and gladness in your voice at any time at all during your day? Certainly this does not seem sinister and should be our typical and most natural response to God's presence. The Apostle Paul admonished us (while in the deplorable conditions of the phillipian jail...) to rejoice always. While joy is that deep, inward peace and assurance that comes from the intimate knowledge of God, that joy does often "bubble up", and/or manifest itself through joyful expressions such as dancing, laughter or song. And although the scriptures identify Jesus as a "man of sorrows and familiar with grief or suffering", Hebrews 1:8-9 also tell us that Jesus was anointed with the "oil of joy above his companions.". In fact it would appear that Jesus was known more for His joy and gladness than for His sad or somber demeanor. (this could be an assumption on my part, however) It would seem that John the Baptist was known more for his grieved and somber demeanor, and a life marked by fasting and broken-heartedness. Jesus, was not well received for having a demeanor that seemed semi-contrary to that of John. Jesus himself used this as an example to show the ungodly attitudes of the Pharisees and other religious leaders in Matthew 11:16-19. Jesus even compared his own ministry to the joyful sound of the flute (joy) and John's to the sound of a funeral dirge (mourning).
Take a look at LUKE 10:21:
21 At that time Jesus, FULL OF JOY through the Holy Spirit, said...
The Bible states that Jesus was "FULL OF JOY THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT..." The word for "full of joy" here is a word that literally means to exult or JUMP for joy! There was a surge of joy that went through Jesus as a result of the Holy Spirit's presence. Jesus was a man anointed with the oil of joy, and Jesus' joy was certainly more than a deep contentment and assurance of his right standing before God. It literally manifested itself in joyful expressions.
I could be taking this point to far and I am VERY open to that possibility. The only point I am trying to make here is that both emotions seem to have just as much validity in the eyes of God. Mourning seems no more sacred or holy to God than joy and laughter. We have no evidence in scripture that the joy and laughter of true, redeemed, blood bought saints of God is detestable and irreverent in the ears of God, while he takes great pleasure in the sounds of their agony and at the sight of their tears. The great puritain writer William Gurnal once wrote, "Christ takes no more delight to dwell in a sad heart, than we do to live in a dark house." Both joy and weeping seem to have their place in the life of the believer and have their place in their daily life.
My point here is this, if then daily emotion of weeping and mourning is intensified and amplified and becomes more demonstrative in times of revival, is it so far-fetched to believe that this same phenomenon may occur as it pertains to joy and laughter? May the spiritually and emotionally charged atmosphere of revival produce exageratted and intensified demonstrations of joy just as much as sorrow and grief? Certainly the accounts of joy and laughter in past revivals exists in copious amounts. We tend to focus on the accounts of repentance and salvation followed by emotional demonstrations. However, the accounts of individuals experiencing the "joy of salvaiton" are just as abundant.
We've all read John Wesley's account of the powerful move of God experience on New Years Eve of 1739:
"At three in the morning, as we were confining in prayer, the power of God came upon us so mightily that many cried out with HOLY JOY, while others were knocked to the ground."
Allow me to ask, what does it mean to cry out with "holy joy"? Perhaps it was an intense experience of joyous laughter that they were experiencing.
Listen to C.T. Studd's account of the 1914 revival in Africa:
"The whole place was charged with an electric current, men were falling, jumping, LAUGHING, crying, singing, confessing, and some shaken terribly. It was a terrible sight..."
"This particular one can best be described as a spiritual tornado. People were literally flung to the floor or over the forms, yet no one was hurt...as I led in prayer, the Spirit camde down mightily sweeping the congregation. My whole body literally trembled with power. We saw a marvelous sight, people literally filled and DRUNK WITH THE SPIRIT."
Again we see an example in GENUINE REVIVAL of exaggerated behaviors of both joy and sorrow.
A letter written to George Whitefield concerning the Welsh Revival under the leadership of Daniel Rowland reads:
"While one is praying, another is LAUGHING; some howl and beath their hands toghther; others are weeping and groaning; and others are groveling on the ground in a swoon, making all kinds of antic postures; then they all LAUGH at once, and continue LAUGHING for about a quarter of an hour. The power that continues with Rowland is uncommon."
If you will remember, after Finney's powerful experience with the Holy Spirit in which he described "wave after waved of liquid love" passing over him, that a friend who visited during that same period was struck with uncontrollable, spasmodic laughter.
Smith Wigglesworth's congregation also experienced a corporate manifestation of holy laughter after Wigglesworth had returned from Sunderland England and received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This account can be read in Stanley Frodsham's "Smith Wigglesworth, Apostle of Faith."
Howell Harris wrote that the revival experienced in Wales in the 1700's was marked by a, "spirit of singing, rejoicing and jumping for joy."
Even the great, pious intercessor John Hyde experienced what HE called "holy laughter". John Hyde was not a man given to frivolty or spurious manifestations. Rather he was a broken hearted intercessor who literally died before his time due to the intense burden he carried. If you read the book "praying Hyde" there is a small section devoted to this phenomenon. A friend of Hydes comments on how the Lord was teaching them about His identity as the "God of Isaac", Isaac meaning laughter. After extended periods of broken hearted intercession, Hyde would reportedly erupt in joyous laughter, giving him strength to continue.
My point is that joy, even supernatural, Holy Spirit inspired surges of joy are no more uncommon in times of revival than weeping and travailing. Emotions that are normally experienced in smaller, tamer doses, are experienced in much more grand and demonstrative doses in revival.
The Bible is clear that after periods of sorrow, joy always comes. (PSALMS 30:5) If the sorrow is heightened in times of revival, should we think it strange therefore it the experience of joy that follows be heightened as well? Certainly revival is a manifestation of God's holy presence. It is a season, a divine moment in which God, who is omnipresent, is PECULIARLY PRESENT! Psalms 16:11 tells us that in God's PRESENCE there is FULLNESS of JOY!
We should therefore, not think it strange if in a time when God's presence is particularly strong on an individual or congregation, that joy reach it's FULLNESS. Fullness speaks of a point of overflow, when what can typically be contained has to be vented or expressed outwardly.
I am certainly not promoting anti-biblical concepts, poor doctrinces attached to certain ministries who experience such manifestations, or any other such spurious thing. I am only saying that such phenomena should not be discounted because it is beyond our realm of experience or something that we do not understand. Please prayerfully consider these things and see what the Lord shows you.
God bless,
Jeff
Hi Jeff
God bless you brother. If there is a scheme afoot to turn one brother against another, I certainly want to be known for my love. Can I suggest you go to great length to use the terms joy and laughter interchangeably ? Can I further suggest that what was peripheral in revivals of the past and led to there ending, has now become center stage. What was once odd behaviour on the sidelines is the main event. And all of this comes at a time when the very people who promote these "events,' will not teach death to self, will not teach suffering, because that is not what the "multitude," want to hear. Health and wealth and the "come and get some," (I so dislike that phrase) philosophy has people coming from far and wide. Would people be flying in for a movement of repentence? What about if people, who were called by His name would turn from their wicked ways was preached? Would people fly in to be involved in a movement that would compel them to give up their "materialism?"
You write " However, the Lord took me through a lengthy process in which many of my formerely held, "hard-nosed" opinions were melted by a revelation of God's love and tenderness. Certainly I retain a revelation of his wrath, holiness and greatness, however this is but one side of the doctrinal "coin". Paul admonished the Romans to consider both "the kindness and the severity of God...". One without the other will cause an individual to be unbalanced and either overly harsh and critical, or overly passive and easy on sin."
To come into His presence is everything. Its not about sides of coins. If you come into His presence and its judgment that you need, then its conviction that you will get. If you come into His presence and it is joy that you need, then it is joy that you will find. You will find that your every need is met in the presence of the Lord, there is certainly fullness of Joy. Now why was the presence of the Lord not in your Church before? That is a question that only you can answer. It takes sacrifice to come into the presence of the Lord. You have to lay some things down, you have to pass the "brazen alter." Cain could not, and Abel could, because he knew that he was not worthy and sacrificed the lamb to cover that unworthiness. So, what if a movement comes along where you do not have to lay anything down, no sacrifice, no death to self no anything, just show up and go forward and "get some." Which will the people go after?
In Exodus 32 there was a fire of the people own making in which they mingled that with worship of God. They certainly rose up and played, I would imagine much laughter too, yet it was not the worship of the true God but a God that was fashioned by their own hands, actually by the hand of Aaron...............Frank
Dear Jeff,
I see the validity of your point and I take it you do not use this to endorse the current phenonomen in Lakeland.
I see so often that when we see some unscriptural excesses, we tend to try to counter it in the flesh. There is true freedom in the Lord that may express itself in exuberance, there is true joy in the Lord that may express itself in singing, clapping and dancing.
A solemn assembly in fleshly legalism producing condemnation can be just as wrong as maniac laughter.
We should not swing from one extreme to the other.
Ecclesiastes 3
A Time for Everything
1 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:
2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
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Dear brother,
Perhaps I do go to great lengths to use the terms joy and laughter interchangably. As I said, I am open to the possibility that I may take it too far. However, where there is true joy, there will undoubtedly be laughter. The examples of past revivals that I quoted, were not side issues, many of those things were manifestations that were hallmarks of the movement. Obviously they were never the main deal, the exaltation of Jesus Christ and His power to change lives was, but particular manifestations were hallmarks of certain movements. And in my opinion, it was not the manifestations that caused the revivals to come to an end, but rather the controversey and bickering that arose concerning them.
Certainly I am not attempting to sanction everything that laughs, shakes or falls on the floor, as I tried to make clear. I am saying, however, that you cannot ignore or completely disregard a particular manifestation because it is not in line with our experience. Perhaps it is something sacred in God's sight when a sinner who was bound in depression and who was abused and hurt their whole lives is born of the Spirit. If that person broke out into hilarious joy and laughter after tasting the heavenly gift, is that ungodly? Certainly all of heaven rejoices when one sinner repents, what would be so wrong about the saints joining in as well?
Perhaps I'm reading laughter into joy again. To be honest with you, I think that is straining out theological gnats. The truth is the greek and hebrew words do sometimes carry with them the idea of laughter.
As far as the idea of God's presence and my former statements. We did indeed have the presence of the Lord very strongly. However, regardless of who God really is, if I view Him in a particular way, that is the way that I will experience Him. If I view everything through red tinted glasses, than even if the object I'm looking at is white, it will appear red or reddish to me. It's the same with God. Your view of Him has a large deal to do with how you experience Him.
Can I say brother that the hallmarks of the revivals that you quote were unchurched people swept into the kingdom. Bars closed down, crime rate halved, churches bulging with converts who had never previously stepped into a church, these are the hallmarks.
You cannot look at Gods presence through any prism, He is all in all. Once Gods manifest presence is genuinely experienced, one would know that one would never have to get on a plane and fly anywhere.
Perhaps if you did a word search on Laughter and laugh, you would see that laughter is not so much as even mentioned in NT. Laugh is, twice. Just for the record, I have been in services where this occurs, and in a former homegroup where they embraced this from Florida in the 90s. The homegroup is no more and the couple are getting a divorce. The Pastor of the Church that invited Rodney Howard Brown's movement in, had an affair with his secratary, and ran of with her. This was Full Faith Church of Love, one of the first mega church's, a church that was alive with the Spirit of the Lord, a Church where many folks were saved every week, this church, 5000 strong, disintegrated. It is now a very small shadow of its former self. Movements like the Welsh revival and the Lewis revival were marked with whole communites saved, virtually no backsliding, many coming into the ministry and sending out missionaries all over the world.
A good example of coming into Gods presence is Isa 6..........Frank
This video should be an indictment to all of us, it is to me. As i sat and 'enjoyed' a couple of hours of tv tonite, thinking to myself how I deserved such a break, "I hadn't watched it in a week, I deserve it," was my justification. O, my! then I watch the video clip of Wilkerson and it softened my heart, grace and truth were applied through the conviction of the Holy Spirit. I remembered reading about
George Whitfield leaning his head back and weeping over the sins of the people, while watching this video. Wilkerson has got to be the most coveted and desired preacher in all the world! His itnerary must cover the globe in just a few weeks and people line up for miles, treading flood and high water to get to his preaching.
And here I am in my meager world, watching television for a few short hours and i am grieving over the lost time... My O, my!
Jesus says, blessed are you who weep now, for you will be comforted. Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be filled.
Are not these words an indictment of grace and truth to all who are not hungering now and all who are not weeping now.
O, let me bend down low and weep, O Lord. This I believe most truly reflects the heart of Christ and His Holy Spirit.
We buried and cremated three suicides this week at the funeral home where I work, two hangings and a drug overdose. Two are young men under 30, and one is a middle-aged woman who swallowed a bottle of pills. How in the world can I go to church after this and laugh like a crazy idiot? There's nothing at all to laugh about in July of 2008 on planet Earth. We need to weep over the fact that we don't weep, and if we were living as close to God's heart as we ought to be, we would feel the same pain and grief He feels. I tell you, there is horrible pain and suffering in God's heart, and not mirth. The preachers closest to God all know this, and lament like Wilkerson over the blindness, the foolery, the idiocy that goes on in the name of the Holy Ghost. When the true Holy Ghost shows up in our fellowships we will be crushed, humiliated, abased, wretched and in tears...staggered and terrified before a holy God.
How much longer will He endure this?
Dear Paul,
Thank you for the sobriety. I am at a loss and at pains that this is even something to be disputing over. It is beyond ridiculous.
I am convinced that even common sense has been rooted out of the gene pool, how much worse for those that claim Jesus as Lord ... delusion is setting in.
Quote from Mike:
Dear Paul,
Thank you for the sobriety. I am at a loss and at pains that this is even something to be disputing over. It is beyond ridiculous.
I am convinced that even common sense has been rooted out of the gene pool, how much worse for those that claim Jesus as Lord ... delusion is setting in.
Amen.
ginnyrose
PaulWest wrote:
We buried and cremated three suicides this week at the funeral home where I work, two hangings and a drug overdose. Two are young men under 30, and one is a middle-aged woman who swallowed a bottle of pills.
Wow! Paul this is terrible, you have to be incredibility strong person to be able to have a job as yours, thank God they are Blessed with having someone like you working for them.
QUOTE:
"My own opinion is that people who associate joy, the joy of the Lord with laughter, simply do not have an understanding of what Joy is or have never "felt," true Biblical joy. I have met countless people, perhaps every human being, who has experienced laughter, I have met precious few who have experienced the true Joy of God."
I cant for the life of me even imagine a scene in heaven,or earth or anywhere,where laughter and joy would NOT be compatible.
So now in our quest to be scriptural we have banned laughter from fellowshipping with joy?
Hmmmmm
Ok we may now conclude any laughing is disallowed by believers or the Holy Spirit?
Are we to ONLY read scriptures depicting weeping and lamenting?
Yes to have joy and laughter come over a believer is bizarre?
I had never looked too deeply into the dynamics of joy,but never thought it taboo to laugh when overcome with joy.
When I got saved and later baptized in the Holy Spirit,we called ourselves the O.S.G. group
(organization of the silly grin)
I was saved out of much misery and oppression.
when the laughing revival came,it was awesome
you guys weren't there and definitely dont know what you are talking about.
In your minds you try to discern through videos and edited clips. searching for the displays of flesh and using them to discredit a true move of the Holy Spirit.
You think Wilkerson is infallible?
I have spent many,many hours in times square church and I have the only videos of the revival in times square church.
He totally misjudged the Brownsville revival.
His brother Don had to straighten him out.
He and carter conlon both totally misjudged the laughing revival.
I was against it too,untill I went.
Alvin,Texas mid 1990's I saw for myself. It was God.
You guys never went and missed out. It was awesome.
But you dont believe me and i have to admit,had I not gone, I would probably join you in your folly.
But this goes to prove a point.....Go and see for yourself,dont let man tell you what is God and what is not.
You guys should know better!
You dont let man (no matter what pedestal he is on) tell you what is God and what is the devil.
Go to God and learn HIS leading and check it out yourself.
The big leaders will guide you?
What if they are wrong?
Men and intellect will Deceive you just like paul was deceived.
You can't get there scripturally and think with your mind YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST BE LED OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
The spirit and the word always agree.
Not the Spirit as you confine him to your intellect and the word.
It is the spirit revealing the word.
You guys try to make the spirit obey the wword.
You have the cart before the horse.
This opens the believer to deception.
This is exactly the deception of the last days
20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
22And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
Do you see? It is man showing man what is God!
(wide open for deception)
You must discern for yourself.
WE HAVE THE ULTIMATE GUARANTEE FROM THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.
9And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
I didnt check with ya'lls teachers before i went to times square church,Alvin Texas's the Brownsville revival.
I had awesome ,awesome times with Jesus and witnessed lives changed along with my own.
This is so rare and precious. Some things even unspeakable.
I cannot exist without the presence and power of God.
I cannot put his Holy Bible or angels or anything above Him.
He is an Awesome God and he rules and reigns with his awesome power and Glory and presence.
I refuse and reject a powerless,abbstract God that is not real.
My God is the same God as the apostles of the word of God.
He worked in power then and he lives today and does the same things he did back then.
I dont need a doctors report!!!
What is wrong with you?
Of course he heals and one more thing,
HE RAISES THE DEAD JUST LIKE BEFORE!!!
David
I cant for the life of me even imagine a scene in heaven,or earth or anywhere,where laughter and joy would NOT be compatible.So now in our quest to be scriptural we have banned laughter from fellowshipping with joy?
Hmmmmm
Ok we may now conclude any laughing is disallowed by believers or the Holy Spirit?
Are we to ONLY read scriptures depicting weeping and lamenting?
You completely missed what was said. Laughter is not the plumb line of joy.
when the laughing revival came,it was awesome
you guys weren't there and definitely dont know what you are talking about.
I was right in the middle of it. A couple of feet from Rodney Howard-Browne in fact. Also met Kilpatrick and a minister friend of mine is a traveling evangelist who is best friends with him. I can't go to one of his meetings without him knowing about me being there because he calls me up onto the platform--I attended his bible school for a short period of time.
The big leaders will guide you?
What if they are wrong?
Men and intellect will Deceive you just like paul was deceived.
You can't get there scripturally and think with your mind YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST BE LED OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.The spirit and the word always agree.
This double-talk is galling but not surprising. I'm sure it's not intentional. But it's amazing how people caught up in this will always admit that the "Spirit and the Word must agree" but when godly men judge a movement by the Word they are cannonaded with accusations that they are Pharisees.
Which brings me to another point. The accusations and insuations that men who question a "move of God" are automatically Pharisees shows a lack of the knowledge of the Word. The Pharisees didn't reject Christ because they knew the Word, they rejected Christ precisely because they DIDN'T know the Word. They misunderstood it completely, and were the false teachers by and large of their day along with the saducees.
And once again there are Christ rejecting "revivals" taking place. We shouldn't be surprised because Paul prophesied by the Holy Spirit that in the last days there would be a Great Falling Away from the faith.
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