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divdasunder Jul 13, 2008

A friend of mine found out about a young girl that is dying in another state. He was on some website forum basically witnessing. The young girls family are all unbelievers. He was posting about the love of God and the power of God to heal.
The parents told him that if he really believed in Gods healing power that they would buy him a ticket to fly him out to pray for her. He is not a wealthy person but he refused their money and bought his own ticket for the next day. He flew out there on his own dime and was welcomed by the parents.
They took him to their daughter and suprising my friend told him that they wanted to put a live feed of him praying for their daughter over the internet. He prayed for her, and nothing immediately happened. He was crushed. He was upset more than the parents were.
Later people stated mocking him on the site that showed him praying for the girl, and the parents stood by my friend. They basically said that the love and genuine care that he showed touched them more than if God would have healed their daughter. Last I knew, The mother still kept in touch via internet with him.
Its a challenge to me to think about that and wonder exactly what I would do in that kind of situation.

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divdasunder Jul 13, 2008

Sorry I posted in the wrong section. If a moderator could please move this to General Topics. Thanks Adam

sermonindex Jul 13, 2008

We must never forget who heals. It is Christ Jesus who heals, and He alone. It is a difficult lesson indeed, to learn, but is most necessary.


I remember the infant that Jesus sat in the midst of the crowd. "Such is the Kingdom of Heaven!", He declared. An infant is supremely dependent. He will perish without Momma's care. So it is with faith. Anything else, is a corrupt manipulation , or usurping of power that belongs only to Him. Jesus in Gethsemane begged God, who holds all power to remove the "cup" from him. "Never-the less, not my will, but yours."


All healing , as I see it, comes on these terms; a submitted invoking unto his Power alone, as Abraham did for Sodom. {He probably heard the children play there...] We capture His heart, and He hears us. Remember though, that both Abraham at Sodom, and Jesus at Gethsemane were denied their petitions. Sodom fell, and Jesus was slain. We pray, God acts, yet only according to His will, and desire.


Anything outside of this is presumption, and error, and the sooner we learn that He is the Deliverer, and Healer, the better off we will be. This is a good failure, for I am sure our brother will grow from this. I do not know one man or woman of God who has not stepped out into presumption at one time or another. It shows zeal for God.


Those who do not learn this lesson, will never know Him, no matter how many miracles or wonders they might perform. We want to become as that infant, always depending, and satisfied that we serve His will, not He ours.

I think the greatest statement of Faith in this arena, in the Old Covenant writings is, "Even though He slay me, Yet will I trust in Him." Now that's dependence. We pray for healing, yet "Power belongs unto God."

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crsschk Jul 13, 2008

Later people stated mocking him on the site that showed him praying for the girl, and the parents stood by my friend. They basically said that the love and genuine care that he showed touched them more than if God would have healed their daughter. Last I knew, The mother still kept in touch via internet with him.

How much is packed into that paragraph ...

Brothertom is direct and correct;

We pray, God acts, yet only according to His will, and desire.

This is unfortunate;

They took him to their daughter and suprising my friend told him that they wanted to put a live feed of him praying for their daughter over the internet.

This is really getting uncomfortable in my estimation, the 'live' feeds that are now so prevalent. The whole Florida business for instance, one thing to grant opportunity to preaching and teaching via this medium but the other is a sort of voyeurism and ... In this situation hard to tell the impulse and intention for doing so but your friends surprise at the notion is telling.

To echo Tom again, this was courageous nonetheless even if a bit presumptuous, but that first paragraph is something to rejoice over, this was no wasted effort.

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dohzman Jul 13, 2008

I think at one time
or another we have all been like that. What little I've learned about healing is that it comes with a price. To pray for one to be healed who is dying starts out with much prayer with fasting, the quakers used and expression called centering down, they had learned the lessons of being quiet inside inorder to hear the voice of God. You friend has great faith, and as soon as he learns that God is Love and that love never fails, his walk of faith will take wings and he'll experience the workings of the Lord's righteousness in ways he has only dreamt of. When he got there he should have been in no hurry, when the parents wanted a live feed via internet, like Jesus maybe he should have put them all forth(out of the room), just like Jesus did with Jarius' daughter, but who knows. He'll learn, tell him to get back up and keep exercising his faith,not to get down. If the little girl is not dead than the Lord may still raise her up, love is stronger than the grave! So let his love take the wings of faith and give itself to prayer and fasting for this little one until the Lord sends His word to heal her.

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poet Jul 13, 2008

God in his soverign design, allows us, his servants to do things in faith, and allow us to become fools for him.
I have been in situations where I prayed and nothing happens, and times when I really needed something to happen and nothing happens.
And we ask why?
but then there those times when we pray and you dont feel anything, or sence anything but amazingly enough God touches them and they are miracelously healed, a true miracle, and we praise God for it.
I love the fact he paid the price to go and pray.
I love the fact that the parents felt the love of Jesus christ in his sincerity.
A greater work may be taking place in this whole ordeal, and God will get the glory for it.

sermonindex Jul 13, 2008

I spent several years in the Vineyard movement, and was influenced much by the theology of John Wimber. He taught that we should always pray for the sick, and God is the Healer. He taught that we should never succomb to death and disease, as the Lord's will for a soul. If things look grim, well, that's too bad, but we will live by faith, and stand for life, through the Redeemer Jesus, and petition the Father for healing intervention. The healing was always in God's Hands. We were just the child asking for favor.


John Wimber experienced many, many unanswered petitions, as did the early Vineyard movement. This did not deter the praying for the sick, though. Eventually, they [ much to their surprise] began to see results. John Wimber went on to see creative miracles, and things such as the born blind see.[ This occurred for a very few years.]


He also spoke of a "gift of Faith" in the COMMAND realm, where a confidence would speak out of him, almost like a prophecy, that would bring healing.[such as the case of a woman born blind, where he stopped preaching, and shouted "SEE!", and watched new eyeballs form.....brown eyeballs.]


He equated miracles as this to Peter and John's healing of the lame man, "Silver and gold have I none, but.....!"


Jesus always tried to defer miracles and Healings to the glory of His Father. Many times, He would command those healed to be silent, and tell no man. He wanted all Glory to proceed to His Father. People often desire to receive all the Glory as the mighty man or woman of God. [see the vast advertisements and puffing of "healings" in Lakeland...] Even if there were valid healings, they have received their reward.


Why would anyone want to display themselves? Jesus did not. Not all are healed. I do not understand why. It is in God's hands. I sat in front of a vast crowd [no end to it, as a sea, without end..] in India, as Reinhardt Bonke preached. I was on the platform, perhaps 8 feet away from him, and saw a basket pushed upon the face of the multitude, as men hoisted it above them toward the front. A girl , about 12 years, was inside. She was born lame. As she arrived up front, I was shocked to see her legs. They were but bone, masked in bronze skin. Bohnke asked for bowed heads, as he prayed. I chose to watch.
[She had felt a movement or electric pulse, and cried out, while in the crowd.]

The girl swayed as she attempted to walk...some what like a spider or octopus would. Her knees were very large in contrast to her thin muscleless bone. I watched with eyes open as swirling flesh matured to strong athletic perfection. Perfect strong legs broke forth, and she began to dance, as she walked. Bohnke was filled with joy. and held her hand, as she transformed to a ballet diva, leaping in beautiful gazelle like arcs with a beauty void of earthly stride. It was Heavenly dance, that I observed.

I witness an orb around her, and I swear before all, that I witnessed a MAN, in her, and around her....beard and face and EYES of LOVE. She was glowing, and perfectly whole.

Bohnke seized the moment, and gave glory to Jesus, and asked those to come forward to make this God theirs, as Lord of the universe, and themselves; Covered by His Blood. 5000 or so rushed the platform, and glory fell, with tears of joy, and cries of a repentant heart.

There were tens of thousands of lame and crippled in Madras that day, and I would bet that only one was healed. Why? I don't know, but I continued to pray for the sick.

As we would pray for our diseased child, without ceasing, so we shall pray for the sick, that look to Jesus, as His ambassadors. [male and female saints.]

F. F. Bosworth wrote a wonderful book; "Christ the Healer." It is supremely the truth, that He is Lord, and Lord of Restoration, according to Himself alone, and His desires. We who love Him, want so much to act on His behalf. I know I do. I want to carry all of the healing I can. Perhaps one day, He will allow it. In the mean time, I pray for all that I can, that want it, in Jesus's Name, and the results are His business.

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