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MarcG Jul 18, 2008

We must understand Mary in the light of Jesus and His redemptive work.
Just as Jesus was foreshadowed in the Old Testament, Mary too was foreshadowed.

Jesus was the new Adam/ Mary was the new Eve.

Jesus was from the line of David/ Mary is the Queen Mother of the Davidic King

As the Ark of the Covenant was a powerful weapon in the battles of the Old Testament. Mary, the Ark of the New Testament is a powerful weapon given to us at the foot of the cross by Jesus.
We are all the beloved.

YBIC
Marc

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MaryJane Jul 18, 2008

Greetings

This is false Catholic doctrine that is not based on scripture and sadly has deceived many. Jesus Christ alone is our Savior there is no other.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Will be praying for your eyes to be opened to the truth.
God Bless
MJ

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DelightedInU Jul 18, 2008


MarcG wrote:
We must understand Mary in the light of Jesus and His redemptive work.
Just as Jesus was foreshadowed in the Old Testament, Mary too was foreshadowed.

Jesus was the new Adam/ Mary was the new Eve.

Jesus was from the line of David/ Mary is the Queen Mother of the Davidic King

As the Ark of the Covenant was a powerful weapon in the battles of the Old Testament. Mary, the Ark of the New Testament is a powerful weapon given to us at the foot of the cross by Jesus.
We are all the beloved.

YBIC
Marc

Your foreshadowings do not make sense. Mary can not be the new Eve because if Jesus is the new Adam then his wife would be the new Eve logically. Jesus did not have a wife.

Mary is simply the mother of Jesus, a blessed and God fearing woman.

1 Timothy 2:
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6Who gave himself a ransom for all

Mary was indeed obedient and submitted to Jesus. She has no authority over Him as seen in John.

John 2

1And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:

2And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.

3And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

4Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

5His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

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Miccah Jul 18, 2008

Greetings to SI Marc :-)


[u][b]John 14:6 (NKJV)[/b][/u]

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.


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MarcG Jul 18, 2008

MJ,

You are absolutely right when you say Jesus is the only way to salvation.But Jesus, our Creator and Redeemer, gives us many weapons to combat evil. Brothers and sisters in Christ that lead us too him, The Holy Bible, God's written word etc. The communion, of our brothers and sisters in faith, is not broken with death.The Book Revelation talks about the prayers of the faithfull ascending to God. They're in Heaven, so who are they praying for?
Me and you little sister.
Think about it.
There they are, Jesus the new King reigning in heaven offering himself to the Father and all our brothers and sisters who have gone on before us worshiping and offering prayers in the Glory of God. The Davidic kings didn't have their wives as Queen because they had many wives. they had their mothers as their Queen. I beleive it's 2 Samuel. King David dies. Check the posture of his wife Bethsheeba before him. After his death Check the posture of the now new king, King Soloman. What posture does he take before his mother?
What image is given to John in Rev. when he sees a vision of the new heavenly Jerusalem and yes the Ark of the Covenant. end of chp 11 beginning of chptr 12
Just remember God is our Father
Jesus is our brother
and yes Mary is our mother
Jesus deserved the best for his mother and then he graciously gave her to us.
Aren't families Wonderful

YBIC
Marc

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MarcG Jul 18, 2008

Back up a little bit in John's Gospel.
In the Beginning was the Word
then the next day
then the next day
then the next day
and the Third day
this would be the seventh day
and what did man say when he awoke from his sleep on the seventh day and saw Eve.
WOMAN!!!!!
And what did Jesus say in John's gospel on the seventh day
WOMAN !!!
Did John bring the two creation stories and tie them to the NEW creation through Jesus By accident.
Doubtful
YBIC
Marc

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sojourner7 Jul 18, 2008

Marc, this "Queen of Heaven" is a heresy that
doesn't have foundations in scripture. God
does not have need of a family, and Mary is
blessed only because she was chosen to bear
the Saviour!!

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ginnyrose Jul 18, 2008


I suggest you carefully consider Mark 3:32-35: And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever, shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother." Do you not see that biological connections mean nothing to Jesus? but that obedience does? Big difference, don't you think?

Yes, families are wonderful but as I understand scripture they will mean little in eternity. For one thing people will not marry because Jesus says people will be as the angels who neither marry nor are given in marriage.

Blessings,
ginnyrose

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MarcG Jul 18, 2008

Greetings

Yes Jesus our brother went to the cross for our redemption He is the sole mediator to the father.
Because of Him we are allowed to paticipate in the redemption of others. Through prayer, fasting, and other corporal works of mercy etc. we respond to the grace, that we can in noooo way earn, and help build His Church which is His Body.
Gotta go
Love to all
Marc

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MarcG Jul 18, 2008

Yes Mary was chosen to be the mother of Jesus but
she also had free will. She could have said no like Eve.
But she said to Gabriel be it done to me according thy will.
Rev 12 1 what is she wearing on her head
and how many stars

Who but a queen wears a crown. Where did John say he saw this vision?

Love
Marc

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Miccah Jul 18, 2008

Marc,

I do find it a little odd that with your first post in this forum, you would exalt Mary in your heading over Jesus :-(

Instead of a Subject line like: "Jesus lives", or "Jesus is the way"! or "Bless the name of the Lord!"... you lift up the sinful mother of Jesus, Mary.

Mary is a human, not divine. To place any emphasis on Mary instead of Jesus is a dishonor to the woman that the Lord blessed.

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PreachParsly Jul 18, 2008

MarcG,

Do you believe that Mary needed to be saved from sin? Or that she needed a Savior?

Luk 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
Luk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

As far as I know, no one in the Bible who didn't need saved called God or Christ "Savior." In other words, there isn't anyone who called upon God or Christ as Savior who didn't need saved. I've never seen where Jesus called God Savior. I could be wrong though...

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JelloTaster Jul 18, 2008

It's also funny how, if Mary is so blessed, that the writers of the epistles seem to have forgotten to mention her.

sermonindex Jul 18, 2008


I question the integrity of your post, and that your very first one. It is circumspectly obvious, even for the most ignorant or uneducated that this is a Protestant, and Evangelical, Biblical Revival site. You would have to know, even in the most casual glance, that the spirit of the forum here is in violent opposition to the Lordship of the Queen of Heaven, and view the Adoration of her as potently Pagan, and Demonic in nature.

So why would you post such an adversarial doctrinal view, as an in your face indictment to these obvious foundations of this forum? I can only guess, but I sense some mischieviousness intent.


We are a sensible and polite people, and want none to perish, as you will in keeping to these Doctrines you have confronted us with, IF you really believe them at all. They are simply, and biblically, doctrines of Demons.


Is this what you wanted to hear?, or did you want to see a buzz and reaction surrounding your words, that gives you a sense of power? In the end, I predict, this will simply enforce and strengthen those, young or old, who love the truth more than their lives. Thank you for this.

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BeYeDoers Jul 18, 2008

Marc, Rev. 12 is not about Mary. Rev. 4 onward is about things "which are to be hereafter."

I will repeat someone else's question, and add to it:

Was Mary without sin?
Is Mary the Co-Redemptress?
Is Mary the Co-Mediatrix?
Is Mary the Mother of God?
Did she die on a Cross for us?
Should we have an altar for her and present gifts to her, kneel before this altar, and pray to her?

All these things go hand-in-hand with the things you are presenting, and are the heretical teachings of the RCC, which historic Christians have seen as the Great Whore headed by the antichrist on the throne, which is the Papacy.

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deltadom Jul 19, 2008


Luke 1
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. 51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. 54 He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; 55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever. 56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

Mary would not need a Saviour if she was sinless!

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eternalvalue Jul 19, 2008

The Catholic Church has always and will always exalt and up lift Jesus. Jesus is the center of the Catholic Church. Mary has been and always will subject to the will of the Father. The Catholic Church has never considered and will never say that The Blessed Virgin is divine :-D .

God Bless you all.
James

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BeYeDoers Jul 19, 2008

Yes or no:

She was without sin, both in conception and all of life.
She is The Mother of God.
She is Co-Redemptress (as seen in Eastern European cathedrals as she is hanging on a cross)
She is Co-Mediatrix between God and Man.
She is bowed to before her own altar, prayed to, and offered gifts in your churches.
Your last Pope verbally and in writing committed his life and spirit to her.

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MarcG Jul 19, 2008

Jesus is not disconnecting from His mother here. He is in facct incouraging those around him that they too can be called his kinsman if they But do the will of God.
We have too understand that Jesus was fully human like us in all ways except sin.
Do we disconnect from our biological parents?

" I appreciate you giving me life mom but now I am a brother in Christ. You were just a vessel that God used to give me life"

No Jesus obeyed the 4th commandment like only the God-Man could: as an obedient son he honored his earthly mother and His heavenly Father perfectly.
As for the being married in heaven you are correct we will not be married husband and wife because we all will be the spouse of Christ. We will be in total union with him as are the angels.We will be brothers and sisters in Him.
YBIC
Marc

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BeYeDoers Jul 19, 2008

Marc, please take another look at my questions. I look forward to your answers.

Also, what are the First and Second Commandments?

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